Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bradsmith2010 on September 24, 2017, 03:13:56 pm
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ok I am working on a bow,,osage,, very old stave
60 1/2 nock to nock
going for 60# at 26 inches,, so I dont want to pull the bow more than 60#
the bucket weighs 60# and Im still on long string,, hope to get it strung today,,
has some checking so gonna rawhide back it,
I think when it bends just a bit more I am gonna put a string on it and see how it does,,
it dont matter what kind of rocks you use any will do,, :)
looks a little stiff on the right,,
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Get a 2x4 and file a notch in the end ti hold the string. Pull the bow down by the handle. It will be much better to see the tiller without putting all the draw weight on it at once. A 5 dollar luggage scale works great. Put the hook on the handle ( leave the handle un finished, file grooves to secure the hook so it doesnt slip ) and pull down on the scale to get your reading.
Like this
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but Sleek, what about the rocks,, :)
I like your set up,, once I get it strung, I have a tree with pully so should be ok,,
(SH)
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Well, the bucket of rocks or bricks or canned goods seems almost a mite technical for me.
Long stringer, step on string, pull up slowly, lean from side to side for a look-see.
If I can figure out how to use the camera on my new fangled pocket phone, I'll eventually try to take the picture and look method.
Or just breakdown and build another tillering tree. sigh.
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Much easier to read than the tiny little numbers on the scale
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exactly Steve ,, I knew you would understand,, :)
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Hey, whatever works for ya I guess.
This brings to mind some of the best advice I've been given.... Be mindful of who you listen to.
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thats great advice,
well I got it strung and its pulling about 50# at 19 inches,,
the tiller needs some tuning up,, but its pretty even,,
has some undulations on both sides of the limbs that are different and some reflex deflex roller coaster,,
I figure the bow would be about 60 at 23 inches and my goal draw is 26 inces so I have some room to even the tiller,,not sure if I gonna pull it to 60 till i rawhide back,, hope I can be patient,,
ok heres the fun part for me,, it shoots great at 19 inches of draw,, one limb up no good,, but the other limb up nice arrow flight,,
so that tells me there is a shooter in there,,
I have been looking at this stave for along time,, it has the darkest color I have worked with,, so gonna be fun to see how it finishes out,,,,
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Brad, are you having fun? :)
Jawge
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yes Jawge,, you know I really like making those bow,, just like a kid,,it never gets old for me,,
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one thing comes to mind, I always here Badger say the long string gonna give you a close guess on the bow weight when strung, well if you look at that bucket on the long string, that 60# o rock is pulling it about 23 inches I guess, and thats what the bow weights strung up,,60# at 23inches,,, that Badger is a real smart guy,,,,and that bucket proves it for sure,,,, :)
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Or just breakdown and build another tillering tree. sigh.
if you are going to get fancy and build a tillering tree, the only other thing you need is a #2 yellow pencil and you can cook with Badgers no-set recipe, too.
(AT)
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Yes, Badger knows his stuff. So do you. :)
Jawge
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Brad, is that cherry bark on the back of that osage? Looks cool 8)
P.S. I like the "bag of rocks method." You know for sure that you're never going over your intended weight. Might just have to try that myself. I've got plenty of rocks! )P(
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Upstate, that is the color of the wood,, its very unique,,
yes as stated any type rock will work for the bucket method,,
as an update,, I just went crazy and got the bow tillered out to 25 inches( about 60#)
, and it shoots really nice,,
the growth rings were so thin I was a bit worried, but it held fine,,
the tiller looks funky on one limb, but it shoot so well I am trying to not look at it that much,one limb had a deflex I tried to heat out but it came back a bit,, right in the working part,,
its still holding about 1 or reflex so has a nice cast,, I had a great time shooting it today,, and having fun is a big part of the bucket tiller method,,,hey and if you want to do some strength training the bucket of rocks works for that too,, :)
now if I can get my budget to work, I want to shoot a buffalo with this bow,, that would be the real test,,,
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The Buffalo Bow Flex! Move over Chuck Norris, you dont know nuthin about this!
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This is an informative, fun thread! I see a problem with the bucket method, i.e. Plastics deteriorate in sunlight, therefore, the bucket should be metal, which can rust in water! There's a hole in the bucket, Dear Lisa! A hole!!
Giff, send smoke signals, attaching pictures isn't too much harder? Most of us old guys are about that advanced!
The good thing about rocks is you can use them to line the fire pit for heat treating flint and still load them into the bucket for tillering and weight training. However, be careful, and don't drop it on your foot. That smarts! I will make a tillering tree when I get to that point, just don't have anything to attach it to, except maybe my trailer hitch! May not look to cool going down the road, though!
Hawkdancer
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Very cool looking organic look bow I have a adjustable dumb bell on a pulley that I put on my pully system that does about the same thing hey Brad does it have to be a Home Depot bucket ? 🤡
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I have a dumbell on my pulley system too, LOL....me. :)
Jawge
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wouldnt a rock work better than the dumbell and be more primitive too,, (-S
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That was good Jawge you made me laugh I guess I have 2 dumbbells on mine )P(
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58# @ 26( miss the weight,, but gonna pull it to 27 and see what it is)
bout 60 nock to nock
hold 1 inch reflex
shoots nice,, I gonna sand it put handle maybe rawhide back,,
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heres the technical stuff,,,,
ok you can see where I started, the bow was holding a bit more reflex,,
so even though its holding 1 inch reflex now,, and does not follow the string,, it did take some set,,
1 sooo,, either I was not careful enough on the tiller
2 or the target weight was a bit high
3 or not enough wood,, mass to hold that draw and weight
4 or I should have listen to badger and dropped the wieght when I thought the bow was taking some set,,or kept the draw a bit shorter,,
5... the main problem is I had a draw and weight in mind,, and I let that bias what the bow would do,,
I still have a nice shooting bow,, but if I had been more careful,, I think I could have had a harder shooting bow at a little lighter weight or less draw,,
6 i will shoot it through the chrono and that will give me a better idea how I could have improved or fine tuned the design,, (SH)
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda... it sounds like a success to me! Thanks for keeping us up to date with your thinking around using the no set approach. And yes, maybe you could have done better, but can't we always? That's what gets us moving on to the next one! :BB
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Upstate you are right about that, it is infinitely challenging and rewarding,,I am happy,, but will try to be more mindful on the next one,, I get so excited to shoot it , ,that sometimes I am not patient,, )P(
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Hey there Brad,
Is that how them fancy city slickers do it over in Bugtussle?? 8) Always comin up with some new fangled contraption.
I might have to step into the 20th century and give that a go )P(
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Good job, Brad.
That bow rocks!
Jawge
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I tell ya that George is a hoot!!!Keep it up!!!Life is good heh???? George.
That did'nt take long Brad.I like it,but where's the full draw??I know you got in a hurry again right?
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Just read through this thread, I couldn't help but smile with almost every post.
Great job on the bow! I've worked a couple that looked like that. Most of the time they are as tough as the bucket of rocks! :KN :BB
Patrick
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Hi Brad,
I like your bucket method since (at least for me) it is hard to not overdraw past your target weight on the tillering stick with the scale. I could see myself using this method purely to check the weight verses draw length and continue to use the tillering stick for checking the tiller. I can then pull it slightly below the target weight once I know what the exact distance of that is (when the bucket lifts off the ground).
Cheers,
Phil
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thanks guys, I am having fun,, will send full draw,, but have to get that new fangled camera to going,,
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Very nice Brad look forward to your full draw & Chrono numbers !
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Now that's a cool rocky tillering machinery, ;D.
taht bow turned out nicely and I'm sure there is more drawlength in it!
No more wood necessary!
Really like the profiles so far. The front profile is my absolute favorite!
Come on, let's see the finish pics and the f/d.
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As George said "That bow rocks, but those are bow rocks! I wonder if lead in the bucket will work as well. Probably won't be able to cook rocks with it, though
Hawkdancer