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Title: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 17, 2017, 07:58:40 pm
You know how if you iron wax paper over autumn leaves they retain their color? Well, I'm using this as a rational for trying to back a bow with those deep red maple leaves. I know it sounds crazy, but I've got the leaves glued on to the back, and then I brushed a thin coat of melted beeswax over it.

I'm wondering, how do I go about polishing the wax to make it clear without damaging the delicate leaves underneath?

Thanks
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 17, 2017, 08:20:33 pm
here's a pic
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: Pat B on October 17, 2017, 08:24:58 pm
You might try going over lightly with a heat gun. That would smooth it out but I think paraffin has a translucent quality so it won't go clear.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: penderbender on October 17, 2017, 08:35:20 pm
That looks super cool. Like a half de-barked piece of yew. Cheers- Brendan
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 17, 2017, 09:14:18 pm
Better to do the feather backing technique. Bury them in Epoxy. Hard to say how the color will hold up. I toyed with this idea but never followed through.

 Is it not more the fact leaves are dried and kept out of UV light that preserves the color?
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 17, 2017, 09:27:46 pm
Thanks for the responses fellas. PatM, epoxy does make a lot more sense for a clear protection, but your question about UV light has me thinking... if UV light is responsible for loss of color (which it very well may be), perhaps a more opaque finish like beeswax will block more of it out? Hmmmmm... :-\

Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 17, 2017, 09:33:18 pm
I'd use surfboard epoxy and then a UV resistant  spar on top of that.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 17, 2017, 09:37:34 pm
BTW a bow like this was posted on here but the pics are gone.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: loon on October 17, 2017, 09:42:24 pm
BTW a bow like this was posted on here but the pics are gone.
Do you have a link to the thread? Or the title.. I wanna see if I can recover them, if they're from photobucket
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 17, 2017, 09:59:14 pm
This one has the bow Bubbles attempted. Not sure how it finally turned out. Keenan's  with the missing pics is in the same thread.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,39093.15.html
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: Hawkdancer on October 17, 2017, 10:29:57 pm
Very carefully!  Actually, I think the beeswax should work, but all the other suggestions sound reasonable, as well.  Beeswax has been used for many things and seems to work for most of them.  Looks god so far!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: mikekeswick on October 18, 2017, 02:48:14 am
Coating epoxy is obviously the best way to go for protection but no finish completely stops UV and of course it is too late to use epoxy on your bow after having used beeswax on it.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: ohma2 on October 18, 2017, 05:48:47 pm
Exactly what mike just said
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 18, 2017, 07:21:15 pm
Realistically bows aren't direct sunlight objects. If the leaves even held half their color it's still going to be pretty nice.  Maybe layer them on lighter leaves so that contrast remains.

  Use it in the woods and store  it out of the light.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 18, 2017, 08:03:54 pm
I think you're right Pat. The bow will be spending most of it's time in the woods or on a rack in a dimly lit room.

Update... I rubbed some tung oil over the beeswax and went over it briefly with a heat gun. You can tell the leaves have lost a little of their color, but Martha Stewart says once coated with beeswax the leaves will lose what they're going to loose within the first 48 hours. I sure hope she's right cause I'm pretty happy with how it looks now. Should look even better once I clean it up, apply more coats of tung oil and polish a bit between coats with really fine steel wool.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 21, 2017, 11:05:02 am
next time try an archieval varnnish for paintings,,, it has uv protection in it,,
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: Pat B on October 21, 2017, 11:23:55 am
I think it would be hard to keep the colors vibrant.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 21, 2017, 10:34:05 pm
Well guys, the colors went dull enough that I decided to carefully scrape it off. I was able to get most of it without damaging the wood. Looks like I'll have to come up with a different backing idea. Oh well, live and learn.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 22, 2017, 11:37:11 am
you could add color to the leaves,, a thin wash of acrylic,, several coats till you get it righ(glazing),, then seal it,,
the leaves add a nice texture,, try on a scrap piece of wood,, I think you can make it work,,, with a little experimenting,,
maybe even some ink from hobby lobby,,, dilute the red and apply to the leaves,, add a bit of green if you need to dull it,,

if I have time I will try some leaves on a piece of wood to see if I can make the color work,,
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: upstatenybowyer on October 22, 2017, 03:52:38 pm
Wow, that's a great idea Brad. I do like the texture and natural look of the leaves.  ;)
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: Buckeye Guy on October 22, 2017, 04:14:06 pm
Sounds cool Brad
you fellows keep us updated
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: PatM on October 22, 2017, 07:48:07 pm
Aniline dye also fades but you could soak the leaves and make them very bright and see if they hold it a bit better.   You can get the extremely  bright intensifying colors.
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 22, 2017, 07:53:24 pm
dye sounds like a good idea too,,,
Title: Re: strange decorative backing idea/question
Post by: Pappy on October 23, 2017, 05:41:19 am
Looks like a beautiful back but I would be afraid the over some time they would dry and crack , much like bark left on most wood will over time. Just a thought. ;) :)
 Pappy