Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Muzzleloaders => Topic started by: Eric Krewson on November 12, 2017, 07:36:23 am
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I was checking out the classified over at the American Longrifle site and found an ad for a new, in the box Kibler rifle kit priced $200 less than the price from Jim Kibler. These kits are CNC machined and go together very easily, the best part they are historically correct for a southern rifle.
32 cal, Rice A weight barrel, Chambers late Ketland lock, figured walnut stock, something I have been lusting after since they came out but not pulled the trigger on.
I guess the other guys were watching football and missed this one or would have been snapped up in a matter of minutes. I pulled the trigger on this on as fast as I could.
This makes two kits I caught at a bargain by haunting the various free classifieds. I picked up a Track of the Wolf Isaac Haines kit worth $1100 for $650 shipped off at of all places, the Stickbow classified.
I built 5 guns in a row and was taking a break so the Track kit is waiting in the wings, I will probably finish the Kibler kit first.
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32's are fun to shoot!
DBar
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Great find Eric ! My next project is going to be either a .36 or .40 cal. "Poor Boy " for Tree Rats :-M. Bob
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Here is the kit;
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That's gonna be a sweetheart :OK Great score
Thanks Leroy
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NICE :OK ! Bob
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Man, that's nice. I'd have to find one a little cheaper. But, I did find an antique round ball mold for .32 caliber in an antique store today.
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Off and running;
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Draw filing the barrel;
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Nice find! Almost like stealing! Got to get the bow made, and then, decide if I want to tackle a kit gun! Probably will do a remake on the .45 pistol I put together for my wife(with a lot of help from our resident gunsmith)!
Hawkdancer
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Nice find Eric! The kit gun is still on my list! But I got a question for you? Have you made a stock from scratch? Or do you know a place to send a blank to that will inlet it to at least about 90 percent?
The reason I ask is that I plan on building a new stock for a winchester model 94 30-30 lever action . I have this beautiful piece of Walnut that I plan to use.
(http://i.imgur.com/QL8wKz8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kNaQmY6.jpg)
Patrick
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I don't know about a stock for a 30-30 but there are a bunch of places that will use your wood or supply the wood to precarve any type of black powder rifle.
I sent off two blanks to have the barrel inletted and the ramrod hole drilled, I did the rest of the shaping. I use full sized patterns that have cross sections shown so I can get the shape right.
A stock for a modern gun would be a piece of cake compared to a M/L.
I use a contour gage like the one in the picture to get the shape right.
(https://i.imgur.com/9mXbsTH.jpg)
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Good find! Im getting ready to start a 36, 40 and a couple of 20 smooth rifles once I get these 20 anniversary bows finished. Im building the 36 for me. All of these are from blanks.
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Thanks Eric, sorry to hijack your post, but I figured you were the best person to ask. I am planning on building a wood stock for my cva bobcat so that will help. The contour gauge is a great idea! Thanks!
Patrick
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You should be done by now! Where are the pictures!!!
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I have had the creeping crud for two weeks, missed a good part of the rut because of the persistent coughing. I am highly undermotivated to work in the shop when I am under the weather.
I finished draw filing the barrel yesterday, before I draw filed it it wouldn't go in the barrel channel, yesterday it dropped in with a perfect fit. I am going to fit the lolly pop tang this evening.
After deer season I crank up my projects, I have another gun to build and several bows.
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Patrick, sent pm to. Avoid further hijacking!
Hawkdancer
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I got the barrel and tang in as well as the triggers in and tapped for the tang screws.
This kit is almost embarrassingly easy to put together after doing several scratch builds. One could put it together with a 1/8" chisel, a 6" flat file, a few fingernail sanding boards and a oil lamp to blacken the parts. The inlets are very tight and closed to finished, just a little sanding and very light chisel work and the parts fall right in with no inletting gaps.
Kibler just came out with a Lancaster kit if anyone is looking for a period correct rifle in a larger bore size than the squirrel rifle.
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Thats cool Eric! Can't wait to see pictures of it! I still read through you build along you done a while ago. I have learned a lot from it.
Patrick
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I got the barrel, tang and triggers in as well as taped the trigger plate for the tang bolts. Easy, easy, everything almost fit right off the bat, just a little chiseling required.
(https://i.imgur.com/T5hunlH.jpg)
I installed the underlugs today, the dovetails were already cut and only a few thousands too narrow for the lugs. A couple of passed on the lugs with a three corner file and they tapped into place. I like to file them to match the barrel profile. The stock was inletted perfectly for the lugs and they all went in on the first try. I did loosen up the lug mortis just a little for a looser fit.
(https://i.imgur.com/3eJE1Gy.jpg)
Drilling pin holes through the lugs will be next.
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Looking really good Eric!
Patrick
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Following along (-P - Thanks for posting Eric. Bob
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Another thing; If you guys haven't noticed, Jim Kibler has a Lancaster kit out now and is taking preorders. According to Jim this kit will be even easier to put together than the squirrel rifle kit because of upgrades to their CNC stock shaping.
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Almost done with the Kibler kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/3MVgFeN.jpg)
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Looking good.. Squirrels beware
Thanks Leroy
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Thats beautiful man!
Patrick
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I am inletting the ramrod pipes on my Kibler kit, do the first one, it came out well, inlet the second one, nice fit and start on the third one. I have to file a lot off the tab to get the pipes in and not hit the barrel so I reach for pipe #2 to compare the tab with pipe #3 after a bit if filing. Where is pipe #2, I put it on my work bench, I keep my workbench clean, it is gone. I shift a few things around knowing it got under a piece of paper, no pipe. I did hear something hit the floor while I was bent over the gun in my optivisors, I have a pick-up bed mat in front of my workbench for anything to fall on and be easily found, no ramrod pipe is on the mat.
I enlarged my search, under the bandsaw, under the work bench, I crawl on my hands and knees all over the shop floor, no ramrod pipe. I look in the house where I took a coffee break earlier, no pipe.
I walk to the mailbox and check the driveway because I did walk down and get the mail while I was working on the pipes.
I am sitting in my house scratching my head, I have turned out the lights in my shop, I get my super bright tactical flashlight and go back to the shop, I search with the lights off and my spotlight bright flashlight that really isolates individual things, no pipe.
I must have a ghost messing with me is all I can think, I guess I will order another pipe.
On things like this in the past I often find the item months later in a perfectly obvious location, go figure........
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Hate when that happens. Haints, boojums, sprites, or little people...call them what you will, but they are touchy and once offended are hard of hearing when it comes to apologies.
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Always enjoy watching your gun builds, Eric. This uns no different.
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I am stretching out this build trying to add a few little things but not so much as to make it too ornate for a southern rifle.
I added a toe plate for a little bling, temporary screws of course;
(https://i.imgur.com/pceNc4n.jpg)
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Nice work inletting that from scratch.
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There are two shims filing gaps in the inlet, somehow my toe plate moved while I was outlining it. I used a Torges scraper to cut some walnut shavings and inserted them with superglue, done right they are invisible.
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Done!
(https://i.imgur.com/3mAIyAF.jpg)
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I would say she tillered out mighty fine!
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Looks really good!
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Looks great Eric. Your incised lines look very well executed....did you do them freehand or do you have a too made for the task>
What finish did you use on the stock and what did you use on the iron components?
Again, lovely job.
John
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Real nice work! Far above my capability at present. Btw, if you are experiencing mischief from the "little people", you may be able to placate them by leaving a wee nip of potcheen on the work bench, but be sure to turn the lights off! >:D ;)
Hawkdancer
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I drew my incised lines in with a combination of freehand and a ruler, my first cut was several passes with a small V gouge and followed up with a knife edge file.
The metal finish is cold blue. At first I used Oxpho blue but couldn't get good coverage so I used Birchfield Casey Perma Blue. After I got an even darker color I scrubbed it back to gray with a scotch bright pad.
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That sure turned out nice. :OK
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Thanks Eric. I've done it with the v-gouge, now will have to try finishing with the knife edge file.
A Kibler kit is in the near term future here.