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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 03:55:20 am

Title: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 03:55:20 am
Just got through fixing & shooting in an old favorite I had screwed up on carving the handle out.Made it around july of 2016.A composite.The problem showed up around 6 months after construction/tillering and shooting the heck out of it.I tillered off around 8#'s too.Just as quick a bow holding all the reflex yet as it had been before around 8" but lighter weight.My rotary cup seems to bite me if I pull into 55#'s nowadays.It's 49#'s @ 28" now.I think it looks ok and back to one of my favorites.Pictures of the handle will show the process of results.The bow had been posted on the horn bow thread.
The problem.
(https://i.imgur.com/oI4jMdC.jpg)
Solution...At least 4 layers of sinew wrapping 1.5" long.
(https://i.imgur.com/AVVoZmK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZHlKnF9.jpg)
Finished result.Veg tanned beaver tail leather wrap.Scrap pieces of copperhead and belly scale skin over wraps with silk wraps on the edges.The black horn dot on the arrow pass is slightly raised and stays that way after covered with leather.I like my arrows shafts barely resting on anything at all.A very small slightly raised point.No chance at all of any hook/bump or any deflection upon release.
(https://i.imgur.com/kgQQdcx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PkxOjGf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SjzYlAI.jpg) (https://imgur.com/SjzYlAI)
With a little thought and patience I'm pleased with the result even shooting very light weight arrows through it around 6 grain with little if any hand shock to impressive numbers.Shoots the hunting weight arrows of 11 to 12 grain at a good rate too.Now I just need a deer to come into the death zone.....lol.Still at it here and hope before it gets too cold I get another shot or maybe 2.


Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Eric Krewson on November 14, 2017, 04:06:40 am
Yours is probably the best save we have seen so far on this site, good job.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 04:19:13 am
Thanks Eric.Thank god for sinew I guess.Most times when bows do that stuff to me I leave them in the shed retired.I could'nt let go of this one.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: leonwood on November 14, 2017, 06:13:36 am
That is a fix that actually made it look a lot better! Very pretty handle section! Most fixes, including mine, make a bow look ugly so well done!
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Morgan on November 14, 2017, 06:27:07 am
That is a great save. Well done
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Pat B on November 14, 2017, 06:27:37 am
Good fix and very nice cover. The snake skin matches the backing skin and the belly scales sets it all off. Well done.   :OK
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 07:16:57 am
Thanks fellas...For people out there selling/buying or skinning these snake skins making that skinning cut along 1 edge of the belly skin & backing helps for use once in a while in a paticular different way & don't throw away the scraps.That belly scale skin is a little thicker though but will soften up enough in warm water.Can be hard to match colors as every snake is different.These scraps used were from the original skin I used on the back when made.
Most fixes don't come out as well for me either.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Del the cat on November 14, 2017, 07:40:01 am
Great save. It's good to keep the old faves going.
these days I'm doing fewer bows and mostly for people close at hand so I can maintain 'em and keep 'em shooting. Warbows especially need a bit of looking after.
I enjoy doing the saves and fixes, even if it's not one of my bows.
Del
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: bradsmith2010 on November 14, 2017, 10:13:13 am
wow that looks great,, hope you get to try it out soon,,
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Stick Bender on November 14, 2017, 11:28:56 am
That's amazing fix there Ed that bow has always been my favorite coming from you it inspired me to start one I'm glad it's resurrected and I agree looks better now hope you get a dear in front of it !
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: osage outlaw on November 14, 2017, 01:30:31 pm
Nice repair job.  Do you think rounding the edges of the fades would have prevented that crack? 
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 02:48:35 pm
Clint....Possibly & I gotta agree with you......I've made that handle on many bows but without all the reflex.I carve the arrow pass at a point a little farther back towards where the handle is deeper now.Makes the arrow pass closer to the center of the handle then too around 1/2",but makes the handle smaller unless I start out with a 5" handle grip instead of my usual 4.5" handle grip.
I'm not accustomed to longer fades then 1.5 to 1.75 inches.Longer fades would help I think too.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: upstatenybowyer on November 14, 2017, 03:16:33 pm
I agree with Eric... that's just about the most impressive fix I've ever seen. Not only in that you solved the functionality issue, but you made it look, well, I can't come up with words to say how much I love the way it looks.

The silk, the beaver tail, and copperhead belly go together like the pieces of a top-of-the-line Italian suit.  8)

Oh yeah, and best of luck with the  (AT) :-D
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 03:34:11 pm
Thanks....As much as I like the result I really think there's been more impressive fixes shown on here.There's a whole bunch of problem solvers on the PA.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: osage outlaw on November 14, 2017, 04:28:51 pm
Ed, I've always heard sharp edges lift splinters easier.  Anyway, impressive repair job on it. 
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Badger on November 14, 2017, 05:42:45 pm
  I just finished one with a crack in exactly the same place, I love the bow and it just makes me sick. So far the crack hasn't shown any signs of moving or opening up and I have about 100 arrows through it. I decided to wrap it with silk and finish the bow. You did an excellent job on that one.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: upstatenybowyer on November 14, 2017, 06:58:46 pm
Thanks....As much as I like the result I really think there's been more impressive fixes shown on here.There's a whole bunch of problem solvers on the PA.

Spoken like a true gentleman.  ;)
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: BowEd on November 14, 2017, 09:10:13 pm
Clint...Good point and I know your right.Slow and gradual reduction of everything on these bows is life that's for sure.
Steve...I debated quite a while about how to fix it.Could'nt seem to get over it.Got advice from a bow maker here I really respect too but his option was mostly very strong braided fishing line with epoxy which might have worked too.When I retillered poundage off I did'nt scrape quite so much near the fades either on this one.Guess there were other more drastic options of a complete overall too but did'nt really want to do that.Then I remembered a BL bow I made that the bottom half of the handle grip just plain popped off while tillering the last stages around 26" if I recall.Fixed that generally the same way as this one with a little rawhide added too yet.It's still shooting good but not near the stressful design as this one.That one I concluded with help from members here that my fades were just too short and it worked too far into the fades.
Handles and fades are something I don't seem to experiment changing much with.I think because I get used to something working right as far as comfort and accuracy that when I did change the bow shot different and I'm reluctant to change it much now.Hard to describe.The change causes different arrow pass placement and pressure points I figure.Making some bendy handle bows might give me a better perspective.
Jeff....After 45 years of adult hood and 2 divorces you'd think a person should learn to listen and think before speaking I guess.....lol.That's if they want to get along more peaceful with less turmoil.Sometimes it's not the last person who speaks that is right.
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: bjrogg on November 15, 2017, 01:57:13 am
I remember when you had that problem developed in that bow Ed. I remember you saying you were just going to retire it. Man sure glad you got it fixed it really is a sweet bow. Great job from start to fix and finish. Good Luck with the hunting. Opening Day gun season here today still can't decide what to take to the woods. It would be my bow if it wasn't supposed to rain all day. Anyway great save on a fantastic bow and best of luck hunting.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Fade crack fix of old favorite
Post by: Knoll on November 15, 2017, 05:57:55 pm
It's all been said. Thanks for sharing, Mr Ed.