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Title: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 10, 2017, 10:47:14 am
Sorry about the lack of info. Not a lot of time to write at the moment and I want to get the pics up. I'll get the more detailed info this evening when I can get the full draw pic.

Kyle
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 10, 2017, 10:48:43 am
Some more
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 10, 2017, 10:50:12 am
Last batch for the time being
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: sleek on December 10, 2017, 11:47:58 am
I love those ebony knots in persimmon. Its actually a very close relative to ebony which is why the black wood in it. Only wood i would actually welcome knots in. Hows it shoot kyle? I like it. Looming forward to more info on it.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Bob Barnes on December 10, 2017, 12:39:34 pm
looks like a fun bow Kyle!   :OK
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Hawkdancer on December 10, 2017, 12:45:50 pm
Real nice!  :BB.  That persimmon is pretty wood.  How does it work?
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Swampman on December 10, 2017, 12:56:40 pm
Great looking bow Kyle. Looking forward to the full draw pic.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Hawkdancer on December 10, 2017, 12:58:02 pm
That could be flipped over and another arrow rest added to make an ambidextrous model >:D :OK.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: selfbow joe on December 10, 2017, 04:43:28 pm
Nice looking bow.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 10, 2017, 05:50:35 pm
It's 64" between the nock, 28" nock to fade, 2" fades and 4" handle. 1.5" from fade to mid limb before tapering to 3/8" nocks. The shelf and tips are bacote. I finished it with a rubbed in later of linseed oil before 6 coats of truoil. I was heat treated and bent pulling out some deflex and starting out with 1/2" of deflex. It took about 1" of set so so about 1.5" of deflex. I feel that it shoots pretty decent, about 150 fps comparing its trajectory to known bows. That knot worried me so I left that spot stiff to keep from having to wrap it or it break. The tiller was a bit tricky and I'm still not positive I got it 100%, with one limb having a deflex/reflex thing going on and the other being deflexed with a reflex spot right before the knot, and that knot i didn't want to split open. but it shoots well with acceptable set, so I'm content.

I also love those black knots and dark spots in te persimmon. And those horizontal lines that run everywhere.
I think it works pretty well, I think a bit easier than hickory To carve. But a comparable hardness. It's sort of different in its feel.

Thanks,
Kyle
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: upstatenybowyer on December 10, 2017, 06:13:18 pm
That bend looks pretty nice to me. I'd say nice work on a challenging bit of wood!  :OK
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Danzn Bar on December 10, 2017, 06:18:35 pm
Lookn pretty good.....
DBar
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Knoll on December 10, 2017, 06:33:15 pm
Congrats, Kyle! I like it.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Stixnstones on December 10, 2017, 06:40:39 pm
Cool lookin stik, nice work
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Pappy on December 10, 2017, 07:05:39 pm
Nice job , looks like a shooter to me. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: bentstick54 on December 10, 2017, 07:29:58 pm
Looks real good to me too. I like the looks of persimmon.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Pat B on December 10, 2017, 09:06:29 pm
Nice Kyle.  :OK
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Chief RID on December 11, 2017, 06:51:58 am
I really like the looks of that bow. Great job of finish and tiller, I think. The accents are functional and provide good contrast. Thanks for sharing.  Wish I could borrow your brain for a day or two and finish this sassafras thing I am stuck on. What diameter log was that bow from? Does the back have a lot of crown?
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: BowEd on December 11, 2017, 07:09:55 am
Nice work on the persimmon bow.Don't see them very often.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: mullet on December 11, 2017, 09:11:29 am
Good looking bow, Kyle. Hard to find a straight piece of Persimmon.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 11, 2017, 10:17:07 am
Thanks guys!
In liking working with this wood. This is my third bow from the tree. It's sort of different, it's a dense hard wood, but seems to take more material than it should to keep set low. So all them I've built have a good cast o them but it comes with a little thud from the extra limb mass. It's nothing severe, but it is noticeable. I got lucky with this tree. It was about 12" diameter and split out almost perfectly straight. So they have a pretty flat back. I ended up wth about 20 good staves. About half a dozen ate very straight and clean for about 80". So there's a little pile of warbows in there. I may be willing to trade one of those for a decent yew stave. That'll be about the only way I think I'll part with the long and straight staves, as I doubt I'll come across more very easily.

Kyle
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Jedi45 on December 11, 2017, 10:31:38 am
Good looking bow! And good on ya working around those knots! I just learned how easily they can break a bow  (--)
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Aaron H on December 11, 2017, 11:20:45 am
Nice work Kyle
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Hans H on December 11, 2017, 01:05:23 pm
well done, nice bow
Hans
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Stickhead on December 11, 2017, 02:30:32 pm
Good looking bow!  Nice tiller.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: ntvbowyer1969 on December 12, 2017, 12:36:07 am
good looking bow. I have yet to try persimmon.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: sleek on December 12, 2017, 05:42:16 am
Thanks guys!
In liking working with this wood. This is my third bow from the tree. It's sort of different, it's a dense hard wood, but seems to take more material than it should to keep set low. So all them I've built have a good cast o them but it comes with a little thud from the extra limb mass. It's nothing severe, but it is noticeable. I got lucky with this tree. It was about 12" diameter and split out almost perfectly straight. So they have a pretty flat back. I ended up wth about 20 good staves. About half a dozen ate very straight and clean for about 80". So there's a little pile of warbows in there. I may be willing to trade one of those for a decent yew stave. That'll be about the only way I think I'll part with the long and straight staves, as I doubt I'll come across more very easily.

Kyle

Kyle,  in my experience, persimmon likes a crowned back as its tension strong. I have made only 3, and they were saplings with a high crown. Perhaps the set and high mass you are dealing with can be remedied by allowing a more crowned back to reduce comoressjon on the belly, allowing also for mass reduction?
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Selfbowman on December 12, 2017, 09:44:54 am
Well done Kyle. Arvin
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Parnell on December 13, 2017, 12:02:43 pm
Looks like some pretty wood.  Never touched a piece of Persimmon before.
Title: Re: Persimmon flatbow, 50# at 26"
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on December 13, 2017, 12:15:03 pm
On the next flatbow I do from it I may give trapping the back a shot and see how it goes. Worst that'll happen is I break it. Or it'll turn out even better. It seems to take similar set on the rounded bellied ELB I tried this last spring. A smidge over an inch and it pulled 60# but was very long between the nocks. I've got some more experimenting to do it think.

Kyle