Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: DC on January 07, 2018, 03:05:10 pm
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What is torque as it applies to archery? As in, "You're torquing the bow."
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Not following through, the top limb jumps right or left after the shot.
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I thought it means gripping the bow so you force it in one direction instead of a loose grip allowing the bow to follow the forces when shot.
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I'm with Pat (SH) :OK ! Bob
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I agree with Pat, I was told many years ago to finesse a re curve and grip a long bow, I did that for years with my selfbows, but found for me a loose grip works much better, at least for me. I shoot much better with a light medium wrist grip on my bows. I know most don't but I also shoot much better with a locked elbow plus it gave me an extra inch of draw length. JMO. :)
Pappy
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I think we are on the same page, what I mentioned is caused by too hard a grip.
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A good firm grip and bad wrist angle will twist the bow in your hand when you release the string. That means as the arrow is traveling forwards, it is also being pushed sideways towards your bow arm. That, in effect, exaggerates the paradox the arrow has to correct for.
I was frustrated for ages with wrist slap, fiddling with brace height, trying to build bows more and more centershot. Turns out I needed to take the advice of the 80's southern rock band, 38 Special....hold on loosely, and don't let go, if you cling too tightly to her, you gonna lose control.
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OK we all seem to be in agreement. What do you call it when the bow rocks back and forth. Same idea as torque but vertical.
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OK we all seem to be in agreement. What do you call it when the bow rocks back and forth. Same idea as torque but vertical.
If you watch competition shooters with the open hand and a leash around the wrist, you commonly see the bow rotate forward after the arrow leaves the bow. Even in the highest levels of competition! If they don't worry about it, I ain't gonna sit in the corner sucking my thumb either!
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Out of tiller!
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Two good points :D. I watched a bunch of Puujousi's slow-mo vids and the arrow is gone before the bow starts to wiggle.
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Out of tiller!
but to a good advantage I suppose. so what kind of tiller makes it happen? and is it really "out of tiller" or a desirable tiller?
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Maybe out of time. One limb is recovering slower than the other. What else would make a bow rock back and forth, front to back when shot?
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Out of time seems like a better description. those Olympic bows are have independent adjustments for "tiller" or reflex/deflex, which i suppose makes the limbs time different. they seem to set them up that way so that they rock.
I wonder what advantage is gained by having it uneven?
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If you aren't gripping your bow the top limb should roll forward after release, the top of the bow in heaver. Most of us don't notice it because we hold on to it. :)
Pappy
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Torque is really noticeable if your grip isn't built right. Simple round grips are very forgiving as we adjust then as we start the pull. Form fit grips will easily torque if we hold them too tight. That's one of the things I tend to pay a lot of attention to is forming the grip in such a way as it wont torque. The bulbous grips are nice for this also.