Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: cjkopec on January 20, 2018, 05:38:34 pm
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My son is starting on another stave. I told him to hold off on the Osage he started until he has supervision at his side. So we pulled out some black locust.
He has chosen the rings between the arrows. How does this look to you?
Thanks in advance.
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Why go that many rings down? I would stop at the first cleanly chased ring. They all look good enough to use.
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Thank you
I asked him and he said those were the ones he liked because they were darker. Summer Growth???? I posted it on Fb also and was told the same thing about starting at the 3rd ring down. So I'll have him start there.
This is why I'm asking just to make sure we aren't throwing effort out the window.
I this something he should try to split and get 2 from? I should have put a tape measure on it. Shoot. I'll do that tomorrow
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How wide is that stave? If he goes to that third ring is there enough for two bows. Maybe too much to try for?
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DC he just asked me that. Maybe its a possibility? It's all Latin to me right now. I'm a newbie also. let me see if I can get a tape on it for a measurement.
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The first undisturbed ring is 3 5/8"
So, I'm guessing it's a one bow deal. There is a knot at the other end also. The tape side in the pic is the outer ring side.
And thank you to everyone that is helping and taking the time.
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Use the top rings for practice. Whichever one ends up perfectly chased, use it.
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Throw me in the group of using the 3rd ring down. The others are getting a bit too deep into the stave for my taste with the other rings above it looking good. The knot at te end won’t be a big deal, it might just make the tip wiggle a little once cleaned up.
Kyle
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While my experience with black locust is strictly vicarious, the third ring will allow him to have more width for the layout of his bow.
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I say chase the closest ring and see what happens..... if you violate it, go to the next.... no need to target rings so far away...... Just my opinion, tho....
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I don't think it matters much. My last BL bow did not have enough heartwood for a bow so I left the last layer of sapwood. It looked like it was just about ready to change to heartwood.
Jawge
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I wouldn’t split it, myself. Looks like a nice stave to work with. Curious...will you all look to hit a gathering like Elm Hall? How old is your son and do you have a contact for him to act as a sort of bow mentor, if interested?
It’s cool to see how you are approaching this. Good stuff!
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I agreed on the third ring down and splitting it for two bows on Facebook, also.
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Curious...will you all look to hit a gathering like Elm Hall? How old is your son and do you have a contact for him to act as a sort of bow mentor, if interested?
It’s cool to see how you are approaching this. Good stuff!
Parnell, we looked into Elm Hall last year but something cam up just before and we were not able to make it. It is on our list for this year. We were also wondering if my trailer would fit into Elm Hall. I use a 4 horse trailer with living quarters that is 42' over all plus the truck. I can bring the tent too but since you've been there you might be able to advise me on this. I'll put a pic in below.
My son is 13. We have met so many helpful people along the way. I've adopted Guy, although he really doesn't know it ;) He has been helpful along with many others along the way on the internet. Last weekend he spent the day with a man we met in the Michigan Longbow Association and he helped with getting him started with the osage stave. But any mentoring we can get for him would be greatly appreciated. He would like to become a bowyer focusing on primitive bows and primitive skill sets. I'm doing my best to supply him with all the knowledge I can. I've added MoJam to our list of events this year and I'm pretty sure that we can make it there.
He is currently saving for a trip to take some classes on English longbow bowmaking, arrowsmithing and forging arrowhead in England. I'm hoping to get him there the late Summer of 2019.
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Thats one very fortunate young man to have such support from mom.
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Hat PatM said makes alot of sense.good time for some practice with the chasing of a ring.
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CJ,
X2 on 240's comment! If he has a selfbow shooting already, he's way ahead of me :BB >:D! He seems quite interested in the old ways, I hope he retains that interest and carries it forward and increases his knowledge. He is on the right path, and there are many highly skilled folks on the site! He is at the stage where life starts getting in the way, however!
Hawkdancer
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CJ,
He seems quite interested in the old ways, I hope he retains that interest and carries it forward and increases his knowledge. He is on the right path, and there are many highly skilled folks on the site! He is at the stage where life starts getting in the way, however!
Hawkdancer
He's a pretty good kid. We have our moments like anyone would be he is super conscious of being "natural" with his foods and what he does. If there is a more natural way he wants to learn more about it. I try to support him in that decision as best as I can.
I was a traveling cowgirl for many years. I had a CDL for when times were slow and packed mules during hunting season. Later, I became a farrier. These were all things that I had wanted to do from an early age as a means of financial support. My parents were busy working a lot and I didn't have the opportunity to go learn these trades until I was older. Plus, they pretty much said supporting myself doing that was impossible. I can't really say I blame them. I live with my dog and horse on the road out of a tiny 2 horse trailer for years. It wasn't how they wanted their daughter to live. I was tough, I wont lie about it. But those were some of the best years of my life. I figured if I can start his education on the how to's and what not's of living that sort of life style now he's all the further ahead should he decide to head down that path like I did. It's also a chance for me to revisit/share some of the best times I have ever had with him. I'm still living by a trade and it allows me to schedule around all these archery events for us to attend. I'm so glad we have this in common. Plus, he is meeting and building friendships with those who are some of the best out there. You can not but that type of education in any college or trade school out there.
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I believe he has a great role model to follow! The best of times to both of you!
Hawkdancer
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He is currently saving for a trip to take some classes on English longbow bowmaking, arrowsmithing and forging arrowhead in England. I'm hoping to get him there the late Summer of 2019.
You might consider going to one of Ravenbeak's bow making courses. Probably cheaper than going to England and Jamie makes awesome bows. Just Google "Ravenbeak"
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He is currently saving for a trip to take some classes on English longbow bowmaking, arrowsmithing and forging arrowhead in England. I'm hoping to get him there the late Summer of 2019.
You might consider going to one of Ravenbeak's bow making courses. Probably cheaper than going to England and Jamie makes awesome bows. Just Google "Ravenbeak"
I'll make sure to do that. Cahl has always be fascinated with England since he was little. When we ran across this place and I told him it was in England I could see the wheels turning. It's more of an experience to get to go where he has always wanted to visit and get to make a bow. We plan on taking some courses here in the States too.
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DC, I just looked that up and WOW! We are going to add this to our "we gotta do this" list. I better file for my son's passport now. ;) Thanks for the suggestion.
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Thanks for the response, sounds like you are well on your way. Exciting plans...looking forward to seeing what he comes up with and progress.
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Hope to see y'all at MoJam in July! Depends a bit on health, dog sitters, money, and all that other life stuff! If We're there, the one pole will stick out - hopefully, I gave the silent box for he generators box
Hawkdancer
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Hope to see y'all at MoJam in July! Depends a bit on health, dog sitters, money, and all that other life stuff! If We're there, the one pole will stick out - hopefully, I gave the silent box for he generators box
Hawkdancer
MoJam is definitely on our list. Like you said it depends on finances and a horse sitter for us. If my husband stays home it's not such a big deal but if he wants to join us we need to have the critters taken care of. Not sure if I would haul that big horse trailer down there or not. Might bring a tent. Depends on the weather situation. Hoping to have one of those nice Honda silent generators by then. My husbands said something about building one of those silent boxes for the generator but that thing is a giant brick. It's hard for me to get in and out of the rig alone and I barely use it. I can go with out but sometimes it's just nice to have at this point in life ;)
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Use the top rings for practice. Whichever one ends up perfectly chased, use it.
As much as it hurts me to agree with him, he has the right of it! I always recommend chasing ONE ring at a time and chase that ring like it is the last chance at the last piece of wood on earth!
Your son sounds like a great kid. He's welcome to post in here as well and he wouldn't be the youngest bowyer to run around this camp!