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Title: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 26, 2018, 03:19:58 pm
This bow was in the fuming pipe for about a week and the result was a very nice multi colored appearance. The early wood rings took much more of the fuming. At a specific light angle there is a wonderful 3d effect in the wood, looks like black / brown strokes are laying in a transparent gold. Sorry, the pics show only an impression. The back was prepared with osage soup (solution from sawdust, tanning acid and alcohol) which brought an almost black color. After light sanding I got the desired matching color.

Design is a deflex/reflex, sharp deflex immediately after the fades. Reason for that was, I always wanted to try that and I wanted a bow which can be drawn further than my normally 28” - just to train my shooting style. The stave took some effort to correct and balance out, unfortunately there were lots of cracks and wind checks (ring delamination). Most of them were avoidable, you can see one filled (with thin super glue -after the fuming!) crack near the arrow pass inlay. The steamed in recurves are working a bit. Cross section at fades is a crowned belly. Tapering into rectangular midlimb and he last 5 inches are a 5 edge (belly ridge). This design has no stack at all, wonderful smooth draw.

The overlays on tips and handle are bone and horn (both buffalo). Arrow pass inlay is also bone.

Some pics below, more are on my site.

ntn: 61”
bh: 6½”
max w: 1⅝”
mass: 690 grams
asymetric
stiff handle
net reflex: 1½”


10”: 10,3
12”: 16,8   (+ 6,5)
14”: 21,9   (+ 5,1)
16”: 26,6   (+ 4,7)
18”: 31,0   (+ 4,4)
20”: 35,4   (+ 4,4)
22”: 39,9   (+ 4,5)
24”: 44,4   (+ 4,5)
26”: 48,7   (+ 4,3)
28”: 52,9   (+ 4,2)
30”: 57,0   (+ 4,1)
32”: 61,0   (+ 4,0)



(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-1-von-40-768x230.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-2-von-40-768x230.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-3-von-40-768x230.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-5-von-40-768x230.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-6-von-40-768x230.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-7-von-40-768x576.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-11-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-17-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-19-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-22-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-26-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-27-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-30-von-40-768x576.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-31-von-40-768x576.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-37-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-38-von-40.jpg)

(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-40-von-40.jpg)
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: DC on January 26, 2018, 03:46:35 pm
Well, you hit it out of the park for No 100. Beautiful job as usual. Nice early draw numbers. :OK :OK
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2018, 04:07:55 pm
Sheer beauty, Simon. Beautiful bow.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: k-hat on January 26, 2018, 04:15:15 pm
 " "
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: k-hat on January 26, 2018, 04:16:17 pm
^ That is me speechless.  I just have no words for this one!
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: selfbow joe on January 26, 2018, 05:58:43 pm
Beautiful bow
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: pnwarcher on January 26, 2018, 06:06:17 pm
Fantastic bow on all counts.
Appreciate all the detailed stats!
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Will H on January 26, 2018, 06:32:02 pm
One of my favorite bows from you Simon! Love the lines! Thanks for the inspiration sir!!
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: S.C. hunter on January 26, 2018, 06:36:10 pm
WOW,  that is absolutely beautiful! A true work of art.
 Steve
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Badger on January 26, 2018, 06:41:19 pm
   Your force draw curve looks good up to about 28" and from 28" to 32" it looks too good to be true. I have never seen a fiberglass bow with much more radical profiles build at that rate especially on a 61" bow. Are you sure the wood is not collapsing internally at that point??????
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: upstatenybowyer on January 26, 2018, 06:57:13 pm
I'm trying to think of a way to say how much I love it without swearing and I don't think I can.

It's all so very beautiful Simson. I hope your design choice is giving you the intended result for training your shooting style. It's always extra impressive when you know exactly what you want a bow to do and it ends up doing it.  :BB

Congrats on #100!  (-S
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: burchett.donald on January 26, 2018, 07:41:14 pm
 Immaculate craftsmanship, never expect less when I click on you bow posts Simson...
                                                                                                                              Don
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: bjrogg on January 26, 2018, 07:56:47 pm
Hopefully see another 100 Simson. They are all beautiful.
Thanks for sharing
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Bryce on January 26, 2018, 07:58:40 pm
Do you still need my address for this one?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Bob Barnes on January 26, 2018, 08:04:21 pm
a really beautiful bow that has excellent lines strung and unstrung...   :OK
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Selfbowman on January 26, 2018, 08:43:21 pm
I like that one for sure! Can't wait to see 200 . That might make me really drool. Arvin
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: vinemaplebows on January 26, 2018, 09:31:57 pm
Beautiful!
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Marc St Louis on January 27, 2018, 06:12:13 am
Nice looking bow.  Not sure I would want to make a 61"  bow with a 32" draw, that's a lot of strain on the wood
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: bjrogg on January 27, 2018, 06:21:41 am
Nice looking bow.  Not sure I would want to make a 61"  bow with a 32" draw, that's a lot of strain on the wood

Yes that's about five inches more than I'd probably figure on. I'm not anywhere near the bowyer you two are though.The deflex should help considerably but I'd love to see the full draw.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: sieddy on January 27, 2018, 10:02:36 am
That is an absolutely unbelievable bow. I look forward to the full draw pics!  (SH)
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: mullet on January 27, 2018, 10:34:40 am
Yes! A true work of art. That design is my favorite to make and tiller.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: ohma2 on January 27, 2018, 10:35:43 am
Man i like that grip area on that,it is really  top shelf work.i just like the bright yellow of a new piece of osage and watching it turn naturally.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: barebo on January 27, 2018, 02:48:42 pm
I am stunned and speechless as well - to think that something so finely crafted could be deadly as well..........it's mystical.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: kbear on January 27, 2018, 03:22:14 pm
No. 100 gets 100 out of 100! Just beautiful. That handle.....

Nice photographs mate. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Weylin on January 27, 2018, 03:34:11 pm
 (A) (A) (A) Woah! That's amazing! You never cease to impress. Do you have a full draw picture to go with that bow?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Philipp A on January 27, 2018, 07:18:58 pm
Hi Simon,

I just about love everything about this bow! The handle, the colours, the shape, the tips, the length and the stats. Functional art this is what I would call this bow. I can't wait to see the full draw pictures on this one! A fitting bow for Number 100. I think you should make some matching arrows for this one, that would look cool.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: DC on January 27, 2018, 07:20:59 pm
I don't normally respond twice but this one is worth it, great bow Simon! This is the fourth time I have been back to look at it.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 28, 2018, 01:47:19 am
   Your force draw curve looks good up to about 28" and from 28" to 32" it looks too good to be true. I have never seen a fiberglass bow with much more radical profiles build at that rate especially on a 61" bow. Are you sure the wood is not collapsing internally at that point??????

Steve,
until now the bow shows no sign of failure. the design is heavy deflexed with very sharp fades (bow begins to bend already near the grip).
But, I shot her only with a 29, or maybe in some cases a 30" draw - I simply can't manouver the technique (always wondered how Weylin does this drawing to the ear).
She was on the tiller tree for weighing measurements and was drawn to 32". String angle still under 90°, probably the reason for the draw curve.
Just wondered why you are not talking the mass, she a bit heavy for my taste.

Edit:
Forgot to mention, I'm pretty sure the long fuming did chance the structure of the wood. Can't say what that is, but it makes the wood more elastic. I noticed there are industrial wood bending companies using also fuming (and steam with pressure).
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 28, 2018, 01:55:25 am
Thanks for all your nice comments!
Sorry for my late response, I just came back and a noticed your compliments, thank you!

Well the f/d pic. I have forgot it first, tried to post it now for several times - don't know what I make wrong, it didn't work.
As said, on my site are lot of more pics including the fd- just click on the globe on the left under my aka and then look under "bows".

At least I got it ...
(http://primitive-bows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/osage-Nr-100-5-von-40.jpg)
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: bjrogg on January 28, 2018, 03:36:37 am
That is beautiful Simson. I knew it would be. I've been trying to do that draw like Weylin to lately on some bows that I've made for longer draw lengths. Hard for me to train myself to do it. Maybe for my bows that s a good thing.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: AndrewS on January 28, 2018, 04:16:27 am
Great work. More a piece of art than a bow ;)
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Badger on January 28, 2018, 06:14:15 am
  Simpson, I think the mass is perfect for that long draw. The tiller at full draw also looks about perfect. Is the bow only 61" long?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: BowEd on January 28, 2018, 06:43:37 am
Amazing amount of effort into detail in all aspects on your bow.Going the extra in looks/construction and draw.It would take me out of my norm shooting to draw that far.I'm afraid my accuracy would suffer until practice could readjust.For killing power in my situations I find its not neccessary myself.Goes to show I guess too though exactly what osage will do though.Thanks for showing.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: osage outlaw on January 28, 2018, 08:37:57 am
Beautiful looking bow.  The handle/fades looks amazing.  What did you use for the finish?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: M2A on January 28, 2018, 08:50:33 am
Awesome looking bow. Your work is always top notch.
Mike
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 28, 2018, 10:23:37 pm
  Simpson, I think the mass is perfect for that long draw. The tiller at full draw also looks about perfect. Is the bow only 61" long?

Steve, I measured again, following the curves on the back and tape laid down - it is exact 61" and a quarter of an inch. Is the deflexed design a factor in mass theory? Thanks for your input!

Beautiful looking bow.  The handle/fades looks amazing.  What did you use for the finish?

Clint, it is just my usual homemade mixture of hardening oil


Thanks for your comments, guys!

Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: leonwood on January 29, 2018, 06:52:59 am
That is a worthy no. 100! Amazing finishing! Love the combination of the soup and the fuming. Bet it is the smoothest draw ever!
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 29, 2018, 07:13:38 am
She is a beauty. Congratulations on #100. Jawge
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Aaron H on January 31, 2018, 09:58:42 am
Gorgeous bow, and congrats on the milestone number.  You do excellent work.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: silent sniper on January 31, 2018, 11:12:43 am
All I can say is WOW!!!! Congrats, SS
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: redhillwoods on January 31, 2018, 11:48:05 am
Quote
Clint, it is just my usual homemade mixture of hardening oil

How do you make your mixture?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Stixnstones on January 31, 2018, 01:47:30 pm
Absolutely stunning, congrats on the milestone..... if i may ask a question, i have a finished bow with overlays glued on with CA, will the fuming react with the glue resulting in failure?
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: DC on January 31, 2018, 01:53:56 pm
It seems to me that I had the tips come off while fuming. I'm not a 100% sure though so wait for more responses. I think I just let them dry thoroughly and glued them back on. Boy I'm sounding old ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 31, 2018, 02:02:17 pm
Absolutely stunning, congrats on the milestone..... if i may ask a question, i have a finished bow with overlays glued on with CA, will the fuming react with the glue resulting in failure?

It is a mixture from beeswax, caraubawax and some other ingredients thinned with true balsam terpentine oil.
Next time when mixing my next stockpile I will do a how-to.
After fuming and dmping out some days all glues can be used.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: simson on January 31, 2018, 02:04:00 pm
It seems to me that I had the tips come off while fuming. I'm not a 100% sure though so wait for more responses. I think I just let them dry thoroughly and glued them back on. Boy I'm sounding old ;D ;D

Fuming and ca glue and pva glue is a no go, only epoxi resist!
After the fuming and after damping out for some days all glues can be used.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Stixnstones on January 31, 2018, 02:06:39 pm
Thank you for the quik response
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: redhillwoods on February 07, 2018, 10:49:22 am



It is a mixture from beeswax, caraubawax and some other ingredients thinned with true balsam terpentine oil.
Next time when mixing my next stockpile I will do a how-to.

[/quote]i look forward to that how-to.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Parnell on February 11, 2018, 06:43:50 pm
I'd missed this Simon.  Congratulations on the bow, the #, and the win.  Just beautiful.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Sidewinder on February 18, 2018, 12:02:56 pm
Absolutely stunning in every way. I really like the D/R design. I've found I can go longer draws on shorter length that defies the standard draw length x 2 plus 10%. I know with good Osage those numbers go out the window.
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: lebhuntfish on February 18, 2018, 03:21:36 pm
Just jaw dropping...
You have raised the bar Sir! Im both performance and beauty!
My has off to you.

Patrick
Title: Re: Osage deflex/reflex 61# 32”(No. 100)
Post by: Mailman Bill on March 11, 2018, 12:15:09 pm
Breath taking!  I can't imagine a bow looking so beautiful but you've hit a home run with bases loaded on this one.

Makes my latest look like a used popsicle stick.