Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: jeffp51 on July 03, 2018, 04:56:37 pm
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I have been practicing quite a lot lately, and I am seeing some improvement, with is nice. However. . .
How is it that at 15 yards I can feel pretty good--I can put 7 out of my 8 arrows (that shoot straight right now) into the center of the target--buut at 20 yards why does it almost feels like I have never shot before? It doesn't seem like five yards shouldn't make that much difference.
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Arrows drop pretty quickly past 15 to 20 yards especially with a bow that shoots relatively slow. I don't like to shoot groups. To me the other arrows break my concentration and concentration and consistency makes for good shooting.
Try shooting one arrow at a time, retrieve it and shoot again. Start at 10 yards and shoot at that distance until you can put the arrow right where you want it(not just close) using a small point of aim. Then move to 15 yards and do the same, then 20, 25 and so on. And, don't try to do it all in one day. Start now and by hunting season you will be a lot better shot.
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I put a playing card on a bale of hay to give me something to aim at. My eyes are not great and it gives me a focus point.
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Even a playing card it too big. Pick a spot on the target, a discoloration, an old arrow hole and concentrate on putting that arrow back in that hole. Aim small, miss small. (SH)
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Jeff, muscle memory rules our shooting. If you practice most often at 15 yards and then back up to 20 yards your muscles are still tuned for the usual 15 yards. Rather than shooting 8 arrows at 15, shoot one and then move back or ahead and shoot another, then move again. I like to grab 6 arrows and just toss them randomly on the ground from 10-20 yards at different angles. Shoot each one from the spot they lay.
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To me it's a mind training thing.It seems the brain is accustomed to putting your bow arm where it needs to be.
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Even a playing card it too big. Pick a spot on the target, a discoloration, an old arrow hole and concentrate on putting that arrow back in that hole. Aim small, miss small. (SH)
I agree with aim small, miss small - but like I said, I can't see that well. I have generally been able to see fletching so I'll aim at that after the first arrow.
One of reasons I like to roam around is so I can aim at thistles and other stuff out in the brush or the pasture.
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I agree with the one arrow at a time. My back yard slopes so I shoot uphill and down, close and far out to 20 yards with my self bows. 20 yards is a long shot for me but if I'm on that day I can usually get mostly kill shots.
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We have to deal with a "no shooting" ordinance, but the archery range is just 2.5 miles away. The practice targets butts have Bout 9 small dots about 2". It is easy to shoot a different dot with each arrow! There are targets at 10, 20, 30, and 40 yards, and a separate 50 & 60 yard practice range. I can usually stay close to The dot I am aiming for at 10 yards, 20 is another matter, but I hit the Butts every shot (SH) (lol)! More and correct practice is needed! Shoot, chase, shoot, chase takes the fun out for me, that's why I got more darts for my atlatl! (AT). One dot, one arrow should work! Have fun, hunting season is less than 2 months off!
Hawkdancer
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We have to deal with a "no shooting" ordinance, but the archery range is just 2.5 miles away. The practice targets butts have Bout 9 small dots about 2". It is easy to shoot a different dot with each arrow! There are targets at 10, 20, 30, and 40 yards, and a separate 50 & 60 yard practice range. I can usually stay close to The dot I am aiming for at 10 yards, 20 is another matter, but I hit the Butts every shot (SH) (lol)! More and correct practice is needed! Shoot, chase, shoot, chase takes the fun out for me, that's why I got more darts for my atlatl! (AT). One dot, one arrow should work! Have fun, hunting season is less than 2 months off!
Hawkdancer
No shooting ordinance!!! WTF those monsters! >:D
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What bow are you using? Did you make it? How is its cast? I ask because if you made it, maybe it doesn't have as good of cast and the arrow is loosing Kinetic energy fast after 15 yards. Its a common thing for new bowyers to experience.
I once went to a local primitive event. I apparently knew a lot more about archery than they did. They were shooting a target that was 6 layers of cardboard or something like that. I shot three arrows before I realized the first two stopped half way down the fletching and the third went clean through the target. I realized then they were still learning about making bows that cast well. ;)
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What bow are you using? Did you make it? How is its cast? I ask because if you made it, maybe it doesn't have as good of cast and the arrow is loosing Kinetic energy fast after 15 yards. Its a common thing for new bowyers to experience.
I once went to a local primitive event. I apparently knew a lot more about archery than they did. They were shooting a target that was 6 layers of cardboard or something like that. I shot three arrows before I realized the first two stopped half way down the fletching and the third went clean through the target. I realized then they were still learning about making bows that cast well. ;)
+1 and it might not be the bow, but the string, or the arrows. I just recently made a 10 strand bow string out of braded fishing line. I had been using 36# mason line, the new string made a HUGE difference, I mean like night and day. The mason line stretches and its heavy, the bow just couldn't fire the arrows very fast with that type of string. I had been using the 36# mason line for years. Just to give you an idea on how much it stretches, my new string is about 1" longer than the mason line. So it was stretching at least 1". I haven't measured this, but I would guess I'm getting about 2" more penetration into a new foam shooting block. That's a BIG difference.
Also, to tie this all back to the 5yd difference in shooting range. My arrows were doing the same thing as you described when I got out to 15-20yds. I had a tough time hitting the center of the target because the arrow would start dropping off fast. With the new string, now I'm having to re-learn my aiming point at that range because the arrows are now hitting above where I think I should aim. I'm talking about a 12" difference in drop between where the old string would put my arrows vs the new string at 20 yds.
Thinking about all this... I'm very interested to see what a new string will do for my little paddle bow >:D
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my string is made of power pro fishing line, and has no stretch, and is pretty light. I think the cast is good--penetration seems really good. If I had to guess (no chrono) I would say between 150 and 170 fps. When I miss, it isn't necessarily up and down, but left and right as well.
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And if you can manage it, do some stump shooting from time to time. Walk around and shoot arrows at clods of dirt, tufts of grass, pine cones, or whatever catches your eye. Randomize things as best you can from short "gimme" shots to the occasional "over the rainbow" long shots.
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"When I miss, it isn't necessarily up and down, but left and right as well".
Left/Right misses is usually caused by grip issues. Gripping the bow to hard causes torque and throws the arrow off. Try to relax your grip and see if that makes a difference.
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Jeff one of the things my buddy and I do is a old basketball practice game we always called pig or horse. One of us will start, shoot from any spot and position the other has to do the same or they get a letter. You probably know the game. It translates good to practicing for hunting. Another is take a nerf ball and kick it or throw it around and shoot at it wherever it lands. I agree on the aim small miss small to. My eyes have never been good, but fortunately my glasses help. Last night a was practicing from my new ladder stand. I was shooting at my old worn out target. I really couldn't even see any spots on it and some Rye was growing in front of it. At first I was just aiming for where I thought the center of target was. I was doing ok and hitting the target. Then I started concentrating or one head of Rye. It was amazing how tight my group got. I hit that head of Rye almost every shot.
Having said all that I still have a sweet spot. It's about 9 yards and it's almost automatic with any bow I pick up.
Good Luck and try to keep it fun.
Bjrogg
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I tried a game with myself the other day. I started at about 7 yards with one arrow. if I hit in the six inch ring, I backed up about three yards and shot again. if I hit that I backed up again. If I missed, I had to step up to the previous distance. I wanted to see how many shots it took me to get back to 20 yards. It got dark before I made it, but it was still fun, and I think a good exercise.