Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: BowEd on July 25, 2018, 02:13:24 pm
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While at Mo Jam Clint and me managed to horse trade a bit.A part about these bow making gatherings I like to get involved in.I got this snakey stave from him in the deal.I've roughed her out to dry out inside the house and will work on it later.It has some nice leopard like reddish spots all though it back and belly.It ought to make a pretty snake bow.Thanks Clint.
(https://i.imgur.com/aYqyGWw.jpg)
back
(https://i.imgur.com/TAsDcqY.jpg)
belly
(https://i.imgur.com/GY578TE.jpg)
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That'll be a fun one. Looking forward to seeing it finished!
Tattoo Dave
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I'm excited to see what you get from it Ed.
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That will make one sweat looking bow , with some good Ind. hedge look forward to seeing that one Ed !
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There's a good looking bow in that one.
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Perfect stave for you to work some magic on Ed. If it were mine I'd have a tough time deciding whether to leave those leopard spots exposed or cover them with a snake skin.
Decisions, decisions...
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A snakey stave is rare. A red spotted snakey stave is even more rare. I say let the natural beauty show.
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Ed,
You are doing that stave right man. looks @#$%^ good :)
DBar
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Beautiful stave! Excited to see it bend.
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A snakey stave is rare. A red spotted snakey stave is even more rare. I say let the natural beauty show.
I think you may be right OO.
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I had planned to let it be what is on the back.It does'nt have a string on it yet so I'll see what happens.I get that reddish hew in the Iowa osage too many times but it's mostly in the early wood as streaks all along a growth ring.Not as random dots like the stave from Clint.
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This should be entertaining (-P. Beautiful stave.
Bjrogg
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It's got about the right degree of angled curves to look like a snake.Made some in the past close to similar but not quite as pronounced.This one has fairly thin rings so it'll get plenty of length on it to reduce stress.
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That's the special, BowEd. Did you seal the back? Jawge
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George....Clint did back in feb. when he cut it.I chased a ring and it's reduced quite a bit now to a roughed out bow.I had'nt put more shellack on it yet.It's a good precaution too though your right.
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Wow that is going to be a real looker when done!
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That's a premium stave for sure
and it is in good hands - we are waiting Ed
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Thanks fellas.Those boys down in Tennessee at Twin Oaks make these all the time from what I've seen.Will H's bows come to mind here.There's going to be some string alignment issues I'd say with this one.We'll see.
I'm in no hurry to make it at the moment but will get to it though.I have other things going on here too.I would like to be sure it is completely dry before I start on it with a heat gun for fear of checking etc also.
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I've got all the confidence in the world in you Ed to end up with a beauty out of that stave.
DBar
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That's a dandy, can't wait to see it finished. John
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Going to be a beautiful bow
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that's going to be a nice one! Please keep us posted.
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I'll see if this will still post.It's been more tolerable working in the tractor shed lately here.I fooled with this stave a bit.Reduced and tapered it for the long string.Some tip alignment issues were addressed then too but more is needed I'm sure.Seen some bad wood I had to remove.Holes with punkish type wood in there.It's too bad it had to be right in the working portion of the limbs.Cut a strip off one side to remove it.It's that dark patch on the bow showing in the first picture of this post.Lucky I started wide enough and long enough.A good rule to keep in mind for beginners starting to make bows.
Hopefully there's at least a 45 to 50 pound bow in there yet.If not the way it is I can still pike it a bit to gain a few pounds.It all depends on how well my limbs are balanced at brace after long stringing.That'll determine how much weight I'll need to take off to balance the limbs.
back
(https://i.imgur.com/tfTL6zo.jpg)
belly
(https://i.imgur.com/nh1NkGB.jpg)
Strip cut off
(https://i.imgur.com/H93ib9R.jpg)
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Nice work. That one will be a beauty.
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ed thought id show you one I made several years ago just hangs in the basement now
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Cool that is a dandy.I like that one.Copperheads are a good combo.Single piece of wood or spliced handle?I've got others here too that are'nt getting shot as much as they should be.This one I'm working on has a nice balance on each limb with about the right degree of snake.Thought I'd try for a slight D/R design on this one to relieve the inner limbs some where most of the snakeyness is with the rest of the outer limbs pretty straight.Seems most osage has some degree of snake in 1 or both limbs to some degree.
Heat inducing shape today and correcting anything that needs to be corrected as that can happen.Mostly tip alignment I figure.This one will take me a while till I get it braced and bending good.Hopefully no ticks or bangs.....lol.Then things will go faster.I'll see what my potential poundage is then too.I thought I'd leave this bows back the way it is.
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That's looking good Ed. I can't wait to see that one finished up.
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thats a nice lookin peace of wood,,, looks like its trying to crawl off the table, better keep an eye on it,, :D
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Clint...It'll be a bit yet.Hope I did'nt put tooooo much reflex after the deflex but we'll see.Tips should only be 2 to 3 inches past handle after mild deflex.I'll need to let the wood rehydrate a while after all that heat.I'd much rather make bows without any heat but then you can't get those nice sweeping lines on those limbs.
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I like nice sweeping lines looking forward to seeing this one Ed !
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Ed thats a single piece of wood just to heavy for me to draw anymore.it will go to grandson pretty soon.
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Ritch....I know you do from the bows I've seen you make..
omha2....That's cool.
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I got faith in ya Ed. I think you're wise to go with a slight D/R profile. Keep us posted for sure! :BB
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Is that a wise A$$ or a wiseman....Ha Ha.I should have the resting profile ready for tillering done sometime tomorrow.Tip alignment is being a pain.
You did a great job on your latest snake bow.It looked like it took very little set.Kinda sweet bracing it up for the first time was'nt it.I'm not to that point yet with this one but will get there.
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Well it took to almost midnight but I think I can let this stick rest a while.This stave seemed to have some overall sideways bowed bend to it kinda that took more time getting string alignment close to correct.Really what happened I think is that I aligned the tips before putting in reflex.Even though I knew it could shift reheating and I had it clamped good while inducing reflex the tip alignment shifted yet while heating in reflex.I'll file some string grooves and start bending on the long string/then to brace to see what's up after letting wood rehydrate a bit!!!
A slight deflex with reflex.
(https://i.imgur.com/tyel0ob.jpg)
Tip alignment is close.Top limb in fore ground or on the right side.
(https://i.imgur.com/weDrdrQ.jpg)
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Looks great Ed at least I know Im not the only one that works on bows in the middle of the night...Ha!Ha! Ed did you use a half caul to get that profile ? That looks like a perfect amount for that bow , are you anticipating more deflex with set ? sorry for all the questions but it interest me ?
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Looking good Ed, I love those wiggly ones
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oh my, that's gonna be a looker for sure!
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This is good stuff. The curves from the middle are almost symmetrical. It looks really cool. I like the profile (-P
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It's a unique piece wood.Thanks to Clint for acquiring it.I had to revise my half form caul or make it wider to accomodate the wiggles.
I won't truly know diddly till I get it to brace.
It's funny how there can be so many highlites in construction that are rewarding.The list is long for sure.Probably why bow making can be so addictive.Every bow being unique in it's own way.
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I'm tuned in Ed. Looking good.
Arvin
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Will look forward to seeing it in early March!
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Gonna be a cool bow, Ed. 8) :OK
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Well fellas I'll give it a whirl.No big expectations here but just to make a servicable bow that holds up and shoots nice.I have some suspected spots already that I think could derail my efforts.I'll see.It does'nt have a string on it yet so technically it's still just a thin walking stick or maybe a cattle sorting stick....Ha Ha.
I did'nt know you were into snaky bows Arvin.
I should have it done by March I would think....Ha Ha.There's a 3D shoot I'll go to with these buddies here in the middle of feb to help get it all tuned and shot in good.
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Like I said Ed, I've got faith in ya. But if it doesn't end up a bow, I expect to see some pics of it in use as a cattle sorting stick. (-P :D
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Ha Ha...Your a funny fella!!I'll make sure there's plenty of manure on it then.It might not be log enough for a cattle sorter by then....Ha Ha.
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Well after getting the limbs balanced from a negative tiller removing material from inner top limb and narrowing it earlier because of bad wood it was only pulling 33 or 34 pounds at 27".I pulled it to 28" and it went tick at a little over 35 pounds.I examined it.A crack at the fade of upper limb.Even piking it up to 45 pounds would take 2" off each limb.If it ticked being 66" long it probably would go ka bang at 62" long.Oh well.Sorry.I'll move on to a different bow.
I'll remove the nice horn overlays I glued on for a different bow.Reflecting I probably should of heated more deflex into top limb instead of removing material to balance the limbs better.
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reflecting is a wonderful thing,, :)
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That stinks Ed. I thought for sure you would coax a bow out of that stick.
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It had a nice rounded tiller from the starting profile.
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Bummer ed
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Yea I guess even though it had a good rounded profile draw from the kind of profile it was I probably should of got it working more in the outer limbs.It worked too much on that inner limb.I blew it!!!...Sorry Clint!!!Even so when a bow comes in so light like that I move on.Not taking anything away from the wood any just what turned out.
It's just wood remember that boys and girls.It grows on trees...Not like money though....Ha Ha.I'm lucky enough to live in good bow wood country.
I do have bows here I made back when I was'nt on this forum and hav'nt shown so no pics of them.I'm sure many do out there.I've seen people show bows they made long ago just to show a bow I guess.I could do that on a different topic thread then.
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Ed,
Sorry to hear about your bow. For some reason I am not able to see the last pics you posted. Any chance you would take some pics of the problem areas on the bow and post them? I have an image in my mind of what might have gone wrong but I would rather see the bow so that I would be better prepared to handle that situation when I run into it in the future. I think it would be a great learning opportunity for us new guys. Thank you for the consideration.
Randy
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Yup just wood Ed. Was looking forward to seeing it all finished up but not finished off. Always another project to take its place.
Bjrogg
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That's right BJ.
RandyN....It's about like I stated.I'm using imgur for a transfer of pictures and I can see the pics here.After removing a strip of wood having a bad spot on it the bow came in too light really to suit me.The crack in the fade is what it is.Not working enough on outer limbs to reduce stain on inner limbs.With a slight deflex and the reflex with tips above back of handle a rounded type tiller is best for those.If deflex is more pronounced with reflex above tips a more angular look is needed then.
BTW...Never did see follow up on your bore hole on your previous showing of a bow made.
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Ed,,
Thanks for the info.
The bore hole is no problem. It was small but it went from the back to the belly on an angle. Once I put the rawhide on the back and started scrapping the belly, the hole filled with the fine shavings. I am packing them into the hole with a small pick, as I go. I will then put superglue in the hole before finishing. The reason I say the bore hole is not a problem is, we have been shooting it at 24" draw. I still need to lengthen the draw a bit and decrease the draw weight for the new draw length. She is holding firm, 60 lbs @ 24".
I will take pics when she is all finished.
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That's good to hear about your bow but you would'nt get me trusting a bow with a bore hole on the back of the working section of a limb.Even with rawhide.The angle of the hole clean through does'nt matter.Been around this too long to.24" draw on a bendy handle 64" to me is the only reason it's still alive.You've done a great job getting it as far as you did.Good luck pulling it out to 28".
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Thanks. I'll keep you posted.
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RandyN...You can post me till the cows come home and 500 arrows later I still would never trust it.I'm gonna cut through all the polite insidious BS here.If you have a personal beef with me bring it off line.I'd be more than happy to discuss it.
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BJ said it well, it's just wood.
Ed, I remember when you sent me a beautiful BL stave and I failed at making a static out of it. It was a comfort though, knowing that you understood that things don't always work out with this pastime of ours. I'm sure the Outlaw understands as well. :)
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Sorry that one broke.
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Bummer Ed, on to the next I guess.