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Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: osage outlaw on October 12, 2018, 07:54:09 am

Title: broadhead edge
Post by: osage outlaw on October 12, 2018, 07:54:09 am
Last night I sharpened some Cliff Zwickey broadheads to shaving sharp.  I even drew some blood while doing it.  Today I looked at one under a microscope to see what the edge looked like. 

(https://i.imgur.com/TlezncL.jpg)
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Hawkdancer on October 12, 2018, 09:48:47 am
Yep!  Looks like a steel edge under magnification!  Obsidian doesn't look like that! :KN >:D!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: JEB on October 14, 2018, 05:25:40 am
One of the better metal broadheads out there.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Danzn Bar on October 14, 2018, 05:14:27 pm
Verrrrrrry interesting.  Outlaw
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: mullet on October 14, 2018, 06:58:49 pm
Yep, that's why it's not used for eye and delicate heart surgery.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: DC on October 14, 2018, 07:09:16 pm
Yep, that's why it's not used for eye and delicate heart surgery.
The surgeons probably pay $100 a chip for the same stuff that Pappy shovels out of his pit :D
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Mafort on October 15, 2018, 05:04:21 am
Yep, that's why it's not used for eye and delicate heart surgery.
The surgeons probably pay $100 a chip for the same stuff that Pappy shovels out of his pit :D

If that’s the case a few people on this site are going to become quite wealthy lol
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: mullet on October 15, 2018, 05:26:51 am
Google obsidian and surgery.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: DC on October 15, 2018, 09:26:21 am
I guessed pretty close at the price ;D ;D Nice to know it's cheaper than diamond.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Aaron H on October 15, 2018, 10:37:59 am
Cool

But a jagged edge will kill a deer faster than a smooth edge right....  ;)
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Post by: Pat B on October 15, 2018, 10:50:19 am
I think a smooth edge bleeds better than a rough edge. A rough edge has a tendency to clot quicker.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: JEB on October 16, 2018, 01:54:55 pm
I like that jagged edge. It will rip the hide and flesh. When I do use Zwickeys I use a file and leave a burr on the edge for that reason. I nip the edge of my stone points to put a serrated edge on them.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Mafort on October 16, 2018, 02:18:37 pm
Depends on the animal I’m going after.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Hawkdancer on October 16, 2018, 11:57:57 pm
If I remember correctly, there was a thread on this last fall or spring with some convincing evidence that a smooth sharp edge cut does not clot as fast as a jagged sharp edge cut.  At least in the vital organs area.  Shot placemement is still most very important!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Mesophilic on October 17, 2018, 12:06:31 pm
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Here was my contribution to that discussion.  I think it was from one of  Dr. Ashby's reports.  Good reading if anyone wants to reaearch him.

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The 'rougher' a cutting edge is the more it mangles the
tissues, tearing rather than slicing cleanly. That means more
vessel-lining cells will be damaged, and the amount of
disruption to each damaged cell will be greater. The more cells damaged, and the greater the damage to each cell, the greater the amount of prothrombin released. The more prothrombin released, the more thrombin produced. The more thrombin there is, the more fibrinogen converted to fibrin. The more fibrin produced the shorter the clotting time. The shorter the clotting time, the sooner blood loss decreases and/or stops. The sooner the bleeding subsides, the less the total blood loss.
Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: burchett.donald on October 18, 2018, 07:53:29 pm
     I'm with the stropped hair flaking camp...I have always got way better blood trails because of longer coagulation time...I personally believe most double lung hit animals suffocate way before they bleed to death, because their lungs collapse...When you double lung and you see him crash 60 yds. out, you no he didn't bleed to death in 3 seconds...Shot placement with any projectile is key, but I want stropped edges on my steel...
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Title: Re: broadhead edge
Post by: Ryan Jacob on October 21, 2018, 07:43:37 am
If you get something punched through both your lungs, you’re pretty much screwed anyways.