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Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Peatreg on December 29, 2018, 09:14:02 pm

Title: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Peatreg on December 29, 2018, 09:14:02 pm

Finished these up a few days ago.  Early 1800s northern plains moccasins.  Keyhole designs done with flattened and dyed porcupine quills. Center of keyhole designs is a core of horsehair wrapped with quills. Brain tanned hide with cloth, high uppers and colored with red ochre.

https://i.imgur.com/nQYIiBU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cC2Bhg7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/dWXZaAa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qCBQD9q.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/46NoKGF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3b1Hhar.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/E7wPxF5.jpg

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Hawkdancer on December 29, 2018, 09:34:43 pm

Nice work!  Never got very good at quillwork.  Those are shinin' times Mocs!
Hawkdancer

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: chamookman on December 30, 2018, 02:25:12 am

 (A) WOW -  Outstanding, nicely done  )P(  :OK ! Bob

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BrianS on December 30, 2018, 05:25:42 am

Excellent job!

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BowEd on December 30, 2018, 06:03:18 am

Welcome back Peatreg.You've been busy I see.Nice to see some of your work again.Very nice design and overall detailed work on those!!I like all the colors and am partial to that keyhole design too.A real strutting pair of mocs.Is the saw tooth cut material red trade cloth wool?Nice match red ochor color wise for that shirt.Nice touch with the ermine too.Perfect match for something I've seen in the Mystic Warriors of the Plains book I'd say.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: DC on December 30, 2018, 06:56:51 pm

Very fine work :D. When they wore out did they take the old sole off and sew a new one on or just sew a new one over the old? How long would a sole last approximately?

PS I guess that's kind of a stupid question as it would depend on the weather etc but maybe just a ballpark figure. I have no idea if it would be a month or a year.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Peatreg on December 30, 2018, 07:41:15 pm

These are soft sole side-seam moccasins made from one piece of hide. Holes in the soles would be patched and eventually new ones would have to be made.  The quillwork on these would be removed and used on a new pair.  On an everyday pair of moccasins the soles wear out fairly quickly. These would more than likely be ceremonial so they would last much longer.  I have seen pairs of soft sole moccasins that had a hard rawhide sole added on the bottom of them with the rawhide going a little ways up the side of them. I don’t believe most pairs of soft soles moccasins were done that way. The members of Lewis and Clark expedition would often have multiple pairs made and in fact, during the winter before heading back east they made many, many pairs of moccasins for the trip back.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Peatreg on December 30, 2018, 07:42:52 pm

Quote from: BowEd on December 30, 2018, 06:03:18 am

Welcome back Peatreg.You've been busy I see.Nice to see some of your work again.Very nice design and overall detailed work on those!!I like all the colors and am partial to that keyhole design too.A real strutting pair of mocs.Is the saw tooth cut material red trade cloth wool?Nice match red ochor color wise for that shirt their on also.Perfect match for something I've seen in the Mystic Warriors of the Plains book I'd say.

Yes, they are red trade wool

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: bjrogg on December 31, 2018, 05:51:43 am

Peatreg, those are beautiful. Very nice work. Like Ed said nice to see you back here again.
Bjrogg

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BowEd on December 31, 2018, 06:22:40 am

Peatreg...Do you think the lace on the rear of mocs are for wiping out their foot prints or just more decoration?

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Peatreg on December 31, 2018, 06:58:47 am

Quote from: BowEd on December 31, 2018, 06:22:40 am

Peatreg...Do you think the lace on the rear of mocs are for wiping out their foot prints or just more decoration?

The theory that they were there to wipe away your own tracks is just not the case and is a common misconception. Lots of fringe was a sign of affluence and they looked good while on horseback but really they did nothing to hide your tracks

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BowEd on December 31, 2018, 11:32:23 am

Yea I thought so too.I think because the mind set for tayloring back then was'nt like modern tayloring nowadays.Any excessive leather was fringed out to hang just the way it was.Gave everything a natural flow look during movement.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Pappy on December 31, 2018, 01:37:29 pm

Beautiful work, very nice. :)
 Pappy

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Hans H on January 06, 2019, 01:27:51 pm

indeed, very nice
Hans

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: SLIMBOB on March 27, 2019, 03:34:47 pm

Sweet!  Nice work sir.  That type of quill work was a lost art for a long time.  Yours looks spot on perfect.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: bassman on July 13, 2019, 09:10:33 am

Beautiful . Excellent craftsman ship.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: DC on July 13, 2019, 02:49:18 pm

Have you got some kind of plan Bassman ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BrianS on July 17, 2019, 02:02:27 am

Excellent work!

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: bassman on October 01, 2019, 03:00:56 pm

Really nice work all the way round.

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: gutpile on December 05, 2019, 12:40:09 pm

very nice

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: BrianS on December 06, 2019, 08:01:44 am

Nice work!!!!

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: Stoner on December 06, 2019, 10:20:34 pm

First i saw bead work, but quill work.... simply stunning. Excellent Craftsmanship. John

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: WhistlingBadger on December 10, 2019, 07:44:01 am

Those are really beautiful.  Thanks for sharing.
T

Title: Re: Early Northern Plains side-seam moccasins
Post by: HH~ on December 21, 2019, 07:04:53 am

Wearable Art Works. Fabulous

HH~