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Title: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up closed
Post by: Swampman on February 22, 2019, 07:30:30 am
The bow trade time has come.  If you are interested in participating, please be aware that the primary point of this trade is to build the BEST bow you have ever built for your recipient.  It is about the giving of your talents and sharing the build with the community.  It should hurt a little bit to send that bow in the mail.  If you do not share this philosophy, then please do not sign up.  If you do share this then, let's get building.  The rules for the trade are listed below. 
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Alright everyone, it is time to sign up for the 2019 Bow Trade.  Please read this entire post before signing up so you know what you are getting into.  Here is how to sign up:

1.  Send me a PM with the following information:
     Full Name
     Full Address
     Email Address
     Telephone number
     Which Country(ies) you will ship to

2.  Reply to this post with, I'm in and include bow specs preferred
     Example:  LH or RH
     Draw Weight 45-55 pounds
     Draw length 27 to 29 inches

Here are the rules:
A.  In order to sign up, you must have posted at least one successful bow on this site.  Please don't be offended if I ask for verification.
B.  All participants in this trade need to participate in the thread and post pictures of their progress,  Start out by posting a picture of the stave, staves, board, billets, etc. that you plan to use for the build.  If a participant has gone 30 days without posting progress, then I will take that as a withdrawal from the trade and the bow being built for them will be passed to someone else. 
C.  No bows should be shipped to someone that is not making progress on their bow.  If you are done with your bow and ready to ship, please be in touch with me to help decide if you should ship or not. 
D.  Any participant that chooses can also build a second bow to be used as a reserve.  The reserve bows will be used to ensure that ALL participating members get a bow by the shipping deadline.  Please let me know if you plan to build a reserve bow so if it is needed I know who to contact. 
E.  Deadline for signing up will be the end of the day, March 15th. 
F.  Shipping deadline will be October 18, 2019. 
G.  Have fun.

I will not be participating in the trade but I will be building a reserve bow.  I will update if there are any more rules needed. 

Let's make this a great trade.

Thank you.

Mike

Here is the list I will update as people are signed up and have sent me all their information.

Stuckinthemud
Mafort
Doulosparachristos
Jeffp51
Mo_coon_catcher
Hoosierf
M2A
Bushboy
High-desert
Stickhead
Silent sniper
Bayou Ben

Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: stuckinthemud on February 22, 2019, 09:13:15 am
I'm in!  First of the European group, I hope.

L/H 35 to 40 pounds at 24"
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Post by: Selfbowman on February 22, 2019, 09:32:41 am
Not in just yet but dead line needs to be before Tx deer season. Lol
Arvin
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Post by: Mafort on February 22, 2019, 01:14:03 pm
Iím in if youíll have me. Looking for
RH anything 60lbs+ @28Ē. As long as you sign it Iím happy. Iím looking forward to it.
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Post by: doulosparachristos on February 22, 2019, 07:20:15 pm
Hello, there! Iím right handed and can comfortably draw anything under 75lbs @ 27Ē-29Ē.
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Post by: jeffp51 on February 23, 2019, 08:26:13 am
I'm in.  I have more time this year.

Right Handed, 50-55#  (55# would be preferred)
29" draw.

FWIW,  I have been a target shooter so far, but I am hoping to start hunting soon.

I hope that participation will be high this year. I am looking forward to seeing everyone's work.  Please post lots of pictures!
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 23, 2019, 08:41:26 am
I had been debating on whether or not Iíd have or wanted to take the time for the trade this year. But why not, Iím in. I canít skip a year.
Right hand, draw 27Ē with stiff handle, and 26Ē with bendy handle. Like 65# draw but am happy with anything from 40-80#.
So:right hand, 65# 26-27Ē draw.

Kyle
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Post by: hoosierf on February 24, 2019, 04:18:46 am
Iím in again. Had a blast last year.

Right hand 27-28Ē and anything between 40# and 60# is fine with me.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: jeffp51 on February 25, 2019, 12:20:32 pm
Bump.  I hope we get good participation this year.  I see it not as getting a bow from someone, but being given an incentive to make the best bow i can for someone else.  I already have a couple of ideas. . .
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: M2A on February 25, 2019, 04:10:42 pm
I'm in. Enjoyed following along with all the builds last year! Also a good excuse to tidy up my shop a bit.

RH
27" draw
50lbs is nice but anything between 40-55 works.

Mike
   
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Post by: Swampman on February 25, 2019, 04:21:00 pm
Glad to see you in again Mike. 
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Post by: ccase39 on February 25, 2019, 05:28:51 pm
Can beginners participate? Iíve only built 10 or so but they were all good shooters.

Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: jeffp51 on February 25, 2019, 05:38:14 pm
If you haven't posted one before, show us your work,(see the first rule), but if you've made 10 good shooters, then you certainly qualify.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 27, 2019, 04:01:00 pm
Howíd we let this post get way back there. Gotta bring it back to the front. For more to see.

Kyle
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Post by: hoosierf on February 28, 2019, 03:01:30 am
Teaser #1 - honey locust stave harvested in November next to my deer stand in Taylor County, WI. Itís still losing a few grams but Iíll be working it by the weekend.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Qo2TWPk
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Post by: M2A on February 28, 2019, 03:12:34 pm
Looks like some natural reflex to boot. Nice!
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: Swampman on February 28, 2019, 03:32:16 pm
For anyone on the fence about joining the bow trade, please keep in mind that I am building a reserve bow to ensure that anyone that builds a bow will get one.  I also have another undisclosed person willing to build another reserve bow if needed.  So, if you join and build a bow, you will get one.  The only way you won't get a bow is if you don't build one.  My goal is for everyone to have a great time building bows!
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: stuckinthemud on March 01, 2019, 09:50:51 am
started rummaging through my stash, found a very nice laurel stave I cut last spring, but then there's also quite a few apple billets and a beautiful holly stave, and all that hawthorn I cut 3 summers back, and then there's a little bit of hazel I've got put to one side could maybe use it to back that badly twisted compression yew, man I need help, have to post some photos soon  >:D >:D >:D
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 01, 2019, 03:22:37 pm
That is a hard pick with all those awesome and unique woods. I will say, I am a fan of stuff with some knots and contrasting grain that gives lots of character and very beautiful wood once all polished up.

Iím thinking about digging into the persimmon this year. But Iím not positive yet, Iím gonna wait until I see specs.

Kyle
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Post by: hoosierf on March 01, 2019, 07:24:17 pm
started rummaging through my stash, found a very nice laurel stave I cut last spring, but then there's also quite a few apple billets and a beautiful holly stave, and all that hawthorn I cut 3 summers back, and then there's a little bit of hazel I've got put to one side could maybe use it to back that badly twisted compression yew, man I need help, have to post some photos soon  >:D >:D >:D

Question for you sir, did the hawthorn have thorns on the trunk?  Iím eyeballing three straight thorny trees and I think they are Hawthorn but itís uncommon here so Iím not sure. It could be more honey locust.  It has a few thorns on the trunk and lots of thorns on all of the branches. I did not have leaves or fruit to help ID the trees. We have three feet of snow at the moment.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: stuckinthemud on March 02, 2019, 07:55:09 am
I don't think British hawthorn has thorns on the trunk but its been a while since I looked up close, Id wait for leaves to help with the ID, though I believe most thorn trees seem to make good bows.

Inspiration struck, I have a half dozen Scotch Broom staves put away for something a bit special.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: M2A on March 03, 2019, 06:00:43 am
That's a bunch of interesting wood Stuckinthemud. Don't think I've even seen a bow made from Broom(only read about it).

I have a piece of osage on my bench right now. Been working on chasing the right ring on it. Just taking my time right now until things get started. And who knows that may turn into a backup if I think something else would fit the bill better. Going to try and clean shop today and sort out staves I have there. I know I have black locust, black walnut, red elm, bitternut hickory, and maybe a few others.

Mike           
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: stuckinthemud on March 05, 2019, 06:50:11 am
Bump
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Post by: Swampman on March 05, 2019, 04:37:16 pm
10 days left to sign up!
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Post by: bushboy on March 05, 2019, 07:28:30 pm
Im in if you will have me.bush.
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Post by: jeffp51 on March 05, 2019, 07:47:30 pm
Here is a preview of one I am already working on--it may end up as my trade bow, depending on the recipient.
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Post by: bushboy on March 05, 2019, 07:52:53 pm
Nice!this is the last one I made.
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Post by: Swampman on March 06, 2019, 03:03:11 am
That is a nice sneak peak Jeff!  Looking forward to seeing the rest of that one.
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Post by: doulosparachristos on March 06, 2019, 03:58:53 pm
Cleaning up a possible trade bow stave with my supervisor, Steve. Heís running a tight ship.
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Post by: hoosierf on March 07, 2019, 06:09:46 am
Real task master that Steve guy.
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Post by: Mafort on March 08, 2019, 06:21:13 am
Got two very nice Osage staves. My person might be getting a backed bow if Iím feeling froggy enough. Hopefully theyíre ok with that
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Post by: High-Desert on March 08, 2019, 06:25:36 am
I missed last years, so I think I should do it this year. I was waiting because there isnít a lot of participants. I guess holding out wasnít helping that.

RH
26Ē - 28Ē draw length
40# to 400# draw weight.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: Stickhead on March 08, 2019, 07:07:04 am
Count me in, please!
RH
24-26"
60-75#

Thanks!
...Tom
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Post by: Bayou Ben on March 08, 2019, 07:27:41 am
I'm on the fence.  I have a couple bows that I have obligations for though that will have to come first. 
I'll make my decision by next week.  But man I have been really wanting to build a 400# bow...   :)
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: High-Desert on March 08, 2019, 07:53:33 am
400# is just an option in case you come in a bit high on draw weight.
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 08, 2019, 07:55:47 am
That's a build I'd love to watch!  Here's my supervisor

(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/20190224_145141.jpg)
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Post by: jeffp51 on March 08, 2019, 10:04:46 am
come join us Ben, it will be fun!
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Post by: Swampman on March 08, 2019, 11:47:20 am
Looking forward to seeing a 400 pound bow!
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Post by: doulosparachristos on March 08, 2019, 11:58:35 am
Tillering be like...
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Post by: Deerhunter21 on March 08, 2019, 12:26:35 pm
stickinthemud dont let him push you around too much and if he does stun him with a belly rub or a scratch behind the ear!
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: M2A on March 08, 2019, 07:32:35 pm
Great to see more joining in the fun! Might need a new scale for building a 400#er, maybe a new shoulder, elbowÖ.too :)

Got a ring chased on a pretty nice piece of osage. May lay it out and rough out this weekend so I can keep in the house for a week or 2 just so I know its dry. My shop isn't heated and sometimes humidity is too high and dry staves gain some weight. Got several other ideas as well and im sure that'll change when things get rolling.

Think my cord for my phone is bad and cant upload photos to computer right now but will be looking into that this weekend.
Mike   
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: Swampman on March 09, 2019, 03:05:49 pm
6 days left to sign up!  :BB
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Post by: High-Desert on March 09, 2019, 04:34:40 pm
Got the stave pulled out, center line marked and narrowed to 2Ē.
A vine maple stave I cut last year, and baked in my stave drier, Toyota Tacoma model. Right now itís 64Ē right now, but weíll see who I draw and decide the details from there.
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Post by: Swampman on March 10, 2019, 06:43:31 am
Oooh, a vine maple build.  Liking forward to watching that.
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Post by: M2A on March 11, 2019, 01:56:39 pm
Hey Folks,

Not sure what my son did, but I can get pictures onto the computer again:) Nothing special so far but figured i'd show 1 or2  direction I could go in.

Like I said before, got a good ring chased on an osage stave. If I use it i'll use the natural deflex through the handle and then match reflex to the tips. Looks like more in the pictures than it really is but it would give a nice side profile.If I Do that i'd have about 62"ntn, a little shorter than I usually do but things should be good. Also have a piece of locust in a few pics that I cut after I signed onto the swap. Thought it would be a good long term project during the swap, when I have down time from the main piece.  Always a risk for me to say that before I got the bark off but may make for a nice bendy.

Got some other ideas bouncing around my head as well.

Mike

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7837/33477360548_c4541508fc_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/T1hdXw)IMG_2556 (https://flic.kr/p/T1hdXw) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/46630221224_3c6a460250_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2e3y5cs)IMG_2555 (https://flic.kr/p/2e3y5cs) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/46630218524_386c8e24a9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2e3y4oU)IMG_2561 (https://flic.kr/p/2e3y4oU) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7820/40388065133_18ead8d1e8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24wXoEz)IMG_2562 (https://flic.kr/p/24wXoEz) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr     
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: hoosierf on March 11, 2019, 02:53:09 pm
Iím starting with the HL stave but donít be surprised if my pard ends up with Osage. I like to start with a challenge and if doesnít meet the standard, Iíll go to my familiar place. Seems more fun to challenge oneself.  Hope it works out. This stave is pretty cool and itís from my deer stand so I think that might bring its new owner some mojo.
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Post by: silent sniper on March 12, 2019, 02:12:18 am
Im in,

 RH,
27-28" draw
50-65# draw
Looking forward to it,
SS
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Post by: hoosierf on March 12, 2019, 12:15:07 pm
I gotta up my game. Lots of really good bowyers in this year. Iím kinda nervous.  Iíll give er all Iíve got.
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 12, 2019, 12:27:38 pm
Its gonna be a great Trade, that's for sure
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Post by: Mafort on March 12, 2019, 01:13:20 pm
Its gonna be a great Trade, that's for sure

Heck yea it is. All I want is for the person making mine to sign it.
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Post by: Bayou Ben on March 13, 2019, 06:43:22 am
I'm in. 
I have no idea what I'm going to build.  I'll wait and see what victim I get.  It may be a couple months before I can really get after this but I'll have no problem if I have till October.   

Draw weight: 50 - 500  ;) ;)  ( unless you want to build a war bow, realistically 50-70 lbs)
Draw length: 28"
RH, split finger shooter

I have a question about the variable draws that some have posted.  Is it that you draw different bows differently or that have different styles of shooting?  And also if you can specify your style of shooting that would help. 
Not sure everyone does it this way, but I tiller my bows differently for split shooting vs 3 under.  And the bow I build for a 26" draw won't be the same bow that I build for a 28" draw. 

This should be fun.   :) 


Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here
Post by: Swampman on March 13, 2019, 10:56:19 am
Glad you are in Ben.  Don't forget to send me a pm with your information.

As for the variable draw lengths, typically the person's normal draw length would fall right in the middle.  Say some days 26 to 28 inch draw length.  Their normal draw length would be 27 inches.

Once to get your victim, I can help you get more specific information regarding split finger, 3 under or specific draw length.  You will just need to pm me and I will get the info you need.

Also, you are right, this should be fun!
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Post by: Swampman on March 13, 2019, 03:59:40 pm
Only 2 days left to sign up!!!


The last 3 nights I roughed out a few options.  Getting ready!

(http://i.imgur.com/r6Mjuc2.jpg)

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Post by: Deerhunter21 on March 13, 2019, 05:18:43 pm
Is the far right a molly? It really caught my eye!
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Post by: jeffp51 on March 13, 2019, 08:43:21 pm
what kinds of wood you have going there, Mike?
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Post by: Swampman on March 14, 2019, 01:00:29 am
From left to right are: red elm, black locust, black locust, black locust and iron wood.  The iron wood is roughed out as a Molle with recurves.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 14, 2019, 02:45:59 am
Iím loving the look of the far left with all those knots, same with the molle on the right. Iím a fan of the character they have going on.

Kyle
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Post by: Swampman on March 14, 2019, 12:05:08 pm
The elm is my favorite too and what I plan to work on first. 
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here, last day to sign up
Post by: Swampman on March 15, 2019, 01:37:43 am
Anyone that still wants to join the 2019 bow trade?  Today is the last day to sign up.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here, last day to sign up
Post by: jeffp51 on March 15, 2019, 03:59:14 pm
those of you not signed up will miss out. . .

When are you going to draw names?
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here, last day to sign up
Post by: Swampman on March 15, 2019, 04:35:26 pm
I will names drawn this weekend.  I have a pretty busy weekend so I will say everyone should have their victims information by Monday.  I hope for sooner than that but I can't make any promises.
Title: Re: 2019 Bow Trade - Sign up Here, last day to sign up
Post by: Rākau (NZnuka) on March 15, 2019, 11:22:28 pm
 I wish I had the guts to sign up! but I need to get at least another year worth of bows under the belt to do the trade any sort of justice. lookin forward to seeing all these awesome projects develop!
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Post by: Swampman on March 16, 2019, 06:37:25 am
Just to let everyone know, I took care of the drawing this morning but have a busy weekend.  I should be able to get pms sent to everyone over the weekend, but I won't be able to get started until tonight.
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Post by: Swampman on March 16, 2019, 04:40:34 pm
Alright, everyone should have a pm from me with their victim information.  Let me know if any of you have questions. Let's see what you all are getting started on!
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Post by: bushboy on March 16, 2019, 05:20:45 pm
I have a five curve yellow heart core ready to glue up a bamboo back on to start.chances are my guy will end up with a elm Molly or a modified Sudbury self bow though.hope to get some pics of the bbyh up soon!
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 17, 2019, 02:49:26 am
Got my name and did some snooping on my guy. Iím not sure what I want to build yet. Right now I have the idea of a short, wide Osage paddle bow type with recurves. As I have a short wide stave in the barn Iíve been sittin on for a little bit now. Iíll have to check the dimensions of it and see what I have to work with. If I remember correctly it is about 50Ē long and 3Ē wide. I Think I can convince it to take a 27Ē draw. But weíll see what strikes me when I check out what I have in the barn. I may go with a persimmon flat bow. Iíll just see what peice jumps at me.

Kyle
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 17, 2019, 03:50:26 am
What do you think. bit too much character, maybe?
(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/20190317_130350-e1552827956260.jpg)
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Post by: Swampman on March 17, 2019, 08:45:10 am
What do you think. bit too much character, maybe?
(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2019/03/20190317_130350-e1552827956260.jpg)

That certainly looks like a challenging piece of wood.  What kind of wood is that?
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Post by: Mafort on March 17, 2019, 08:50:25 am
Nice!!! Got some 3 year old Osage orange and itís nice and filled with character
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 17, 2019, 12:43:16 pm
Its Scotch Broom, I've got a half dozen pieces but these are the largest.  Some of the others are less knotty but also much narrower; I may end up breaking these but learn enough of how the wood behaves to make a really good bow out of another pair of  SB billets - I haven't found that many completed SB bows out there, so I guess I'll be learning for everyone.  I'm thinking a three piece glue-up with a Turkish type handle and v-splices, slightly deflexed at the handle to keep the stresses on the wood low.  Not over worried at this stage, I have a plan b and plan c waiting in the wings.
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Post by: M2A on March 17, 2019, 06:07:53 pm
That's some serious character in those broom billets. Cant say I know a thing about broom but I'd be concerned that everyone of those knots runs straight to the pith, making the layout even more important.  If you can get a bow out of them it will be a dandy so I'm looking forward to seeing that build.

Spent a good bit of time working the osage stave today. It threw me a few curves so still getting it roughed out. Hope to post some pics late this week.

Did some digging for info on my victim. No fool proof game plan yet. I'll keep working on the osage while I think on things.
Mike 
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Post by: jeffp51 on March 17, 2019, 07:39:54 pm
I have also been doing a little stalking, but not finding a ton.  I am going for an osage self bow and a laminated handle--at least as a plan A
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Post by: bjrogg on March 18, 2019, 01:17:44 am
Looks like you all are off to a good start. I'm looking forward to seeing a good trade. I'll be watching. Bjrogg (-P
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Post by: Mafort on March 18, 2019, 04:22:21 am
Found some 7 year old iron wood with minimum twist and long enough to make a bow of.... tried using my axe on it and it laughed at me. Like beating on granite with a twig
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Post by: doulosparachristos on March 18, 2019, 07:51:44 am
Well I started working up an Oregon Ash stave I cut a few years back. It looks like there is a bit of character Iíll need to work with and a bit of steam at the handle; im hoping I can keep most of the reflex.Iím pretty excited!
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Post by: Swampman on March 18, 2019, 08:42:02 am
That piece of wood has some nice potential!
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Post by: hoosierf on March 18, 2019, 08:54:31 am
Worked down the HL over the weekend. Pear tip overlays are glued and roughed out. Letting it dry some more today. Got it on the long string at just 25#ís for a little peek.  It has an almost five curve profile so itís kinda cool.  Itís keeping all of its reflex so far. Iím out of town for the rest of the week so Iíd like to heat treat and get the first layer of sinew down tonight. Pics later when I get home.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 19, 2019, 04:23:24 am
I grabbed a few staves from the barn this morning. A 48Ē long by 3Ē wide Osage, a black cherry to mess around with, and a persimmon for a fall back. Iím gonna start roughing them out this afternoon once I get done playing at the gym.

Kyle
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Post by: hoosierf on March 19, 2019, 05:27:07 am
Super wide super thin Osage will be pretty darn cool if you can make it work.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 19, 2019, 09:27:40 am
 It the paddle bow roughed out. Itís gonna get THIN. I roughed it out to about 2 5/8Ē wide from fades to mid limb and about 1 5/8Ē at the handle. Itís 48Ē long from top to tip and is about 1/2Ē thick. I can hardly flex the thing on the floor.

Kyle
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Post by: Deerhunter21 on March 19, 2019, 04:40:22 pm
That Looks like a small bow! how do you make sure it can handle a 28" draw?
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 20, 2019, 03:31:34 am
It does feel very short for what I would normally like and am used to. Iím going to flip the tips to make sure the string canít slip off and leave it wide and thin so it can bend in a tighter radius without damage. Now how far itíll let me go, I havnt a clue until I start flexing it. If I end up sinew backing it, I wonít have a single question about it handling 27Ē. But I want to see what itíll take as a self bow first. Iím pretty confident in it Atleast making 25Ē, who knows past that.

Kyle
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Post by: Stickhead on March 20, 2019, 05:38:23 am
Iím trying to get an early start on this, because itís a risky stave.  For a few years, Iíve had this Z-shaped ERC branch I split in half.  Been working up the guts to attempt it.  Iíve been envisioning it as a couple of naturally recurved billets.  It also has an S-shape when the billets are joined, but I think I can make it so the string crosses the handle near center.  Maybe, just maybe, all the weird bends will be symmetrical enough to make this a good shooter, if it survives tillering.  Figure Iíll back it with sinew, rawhide or tough fish skins.

...Tom

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Post by: Bayou Ben on March 20, 2019, 06:30:27 am
That's a shorty you got there Kyle.

Liking the curves of those ERC billets Tom. 

Looking good fellas. 
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Post by: DC on March 20, 2019, 06:44:54 am
I like the bends on that ERC. I found that when the limb bends sideways enough so you can see the string from the front that the limb has a tendency to twist as it's drawn. Especially with big hooks. If you break the rules and tiller it with one side thicker than the other you can counter that twist to an extent. But you probably knew that :)
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Post by: M2A on March 20, 2019, 04:28:14 pm
Looks like you all got some great looking projects started. Cant wait to see them throwing arrows.

I got my piece of Osage just starting to bend(5 inches or so on the long string). Had some hickups along the way but feeling pretty good about things now. After I had a ring chased and started roughing it out, noticed a wind check on the belly side that was going to run right out my fade. Things were plenty wide at that point so no biggie just had to adjust things over and still have a little more I'd like to take off the width maybe. The good thing is I'm down to solid wood everywhere and I've been studying this piece hard. Just for entertainment purposes I'm including a few picks of the main offender.

Think I'll work on it one more evening then bring it in for a week to make sure it's dry(it is but just want to make darn sure). Provided it is, then it will be time to even up the limbs with some heat. Its unfortunate but ring thickness changes from side to side so the flames on the belly will be offset, but if that's the worst that happens I'll be living large.

I have a couple other pieces I'd like to rough out while this one is idle. Going to see how they work down before I say too much but just as excited to work on them as I am with this Osage :BB
Enjoy, Mike

Sorry for oversized pics, I'll try to start to make them smaller. And not sure why my phone thinks the lower limb is so much shorter, limbs are even. I really need to work on my computer skills :)
   
   (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/47378198352_322c0d7b4d_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fbDDJQ)IMG_2565 (https://flic.kr/p/2fbDDJQ) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
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Post by: Swampman on March 21, 2019, 04:07:57 pm
I did some more shaping and wood removal on the red elm tonight.  Got both limbs bending a bit but I need to do some more work on the inner thirds. I also did some heat work on in of my black locusts staves. Both limbs on that bow deflex so I moved the top out a bit.  I may need to do some more work on that.  I didn't take any pictures tonight but I will get some next time I work on them.
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Post by: Swampman on March 23, 2019, 04:07:57 am
I did some work on my red elm stave this morning.  One limb is looking really good but the other limb is giving me troubles.  That limb has a lot of knots and doesn't seem to like to bend.  Experience tells me to stop and get back to it later.  I have run across this issue before and not set it aside.  Before I knew it  had a limb bending too much. 

Here are a couple pictures.  The stave is 66 inches long.

(http://i.imgur.com/LJ4LUBb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1AOSIhS.jpg)
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Post by: Deerhunter21 on March 23, 2019, 08:01:05 am
Looking good!  :BB
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Post by: doulosparachristos on March 23, 2019, 10:18:25 am
Did a bit more shaping and scraping this morning. Iím keeping it a bit wide to deal with a few small knots that showed up. I think next Iíll straighten it at the handle and see where Iím at.
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Post by: High-Desert on March 23, 2019, 12:40:57 pm
Got out in shop and got some work done on this vine maple bow. I havenít done too many character bows so this has been a little challenge. I have tried only relying on the measurements and feel and not the look. This may not be a lot of character for some out there, but itís a challenge for me.
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Post by: sleek on March 23, 2019, 12:45:08 pm
Right limb looks good. Left limb is hinging out the fade at that bumb which is playing tricks on your eyes. You need to tiller on the left limb out past that to get it aroumd, its not bending at all.
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Post by: Woodely on March 23, 2019, 01:18:47 pm
Those hinges can be nasty Gremlins.   Just go slow you'll get 'er
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Post by: High-Desert on March 23, 2019, 03:53:53 pm
Itís definitly not a hinge, Iíve been slowly taking it down, and right now itís thicker than everything else. The left limb is the one thatís kicking my butt, since it is slightly reflexing, so looks so stiff, but itís tapered nicely. Iíve been using a dial caliper to take measurements every 2 inches to make sure it has a good taper.
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Post by: High-Desert on March 23, 2019, 04:27:31 pm
Took down the left limb a little more and got the outer limbs moving a bit more like you said sleek. It looks better. I second guessed myself about it being a hinge, so I took some close ups of the left bump unstrung , and at 3/4 draw, and itís just barely bending. I place a flat stick on the back, and drew it in the tiller tree to see the projection, something DC had mentioned before,  and it bending the same as the rest of the limb
Almost to full draw. Shot some arrows through it and it shoots smooth with no hand shock, so I guess thatís a good sign.
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Post by: sleek on March 23, 2019, 04:28:58 pm
Itís definitly not a hinge, Iíve been slowly taking it down, and right now itís thicker than everything else. The left limb is the one thatís kicking my butt, since it is slightly reflexing, so looks so stiff, but itís tapered nicely. Iíve been using a dial caliper to take measurements every 2 inches to make sure it has a good taper.
You should know that kinks like that are at a disadvantage because the angle of leverage changes when the wood changes angle. So it may be thicker, but can still bend more. Basically, ny part of a limb that is a deflex will bend lots more. Just something to keep an eye on.
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Post by: sleek on March 23, 2019, 04:29:49 pm
Took down the left limb a little more and got the outer limbs moving a bit more like you said sleek. It looks better. I second guessed myself about it being a hinge, so I took some close ups of the left bump unstrung , and at 3/4 draw, and itís just barely bending. I place a flat stick on the back, and drew it in the tiller tree to see the projection, something DC had mentioned before,  and it bending the same as the rest of the limb
Almost to full draw. Shot some arrows through it and it shoots smooth with no hand shock, so I guess thatís a good sign.

I have been wrong before however.
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Post by: High-Desert on March 23, 2019, 04:57:13 pm
Thanks for the input sleek, Iím new to character staves, and I knew from the beginning that those two bumps were going to get to me.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 24, 2019, 12:23:09 am
Itís looking ptettt good to me. If set is minimal and where it should be, it draws smooth and balanced and shoots quiet and soft in the hand. You did it right. A good trick Iíve been following with more characters stuff, is to trace the profile of the back before you start bending it. And refer back to it often to track the amount of set. And more importantly, where the set is occurring. Those deflex spots are great at hiding set they are taking without a reference point.

Kyle
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 24, 2019, 05:10:16 am
Guess I'm already on to plan B, I was cutting the second splice and lent sideways on the saw a little bit and split out a 4 " chunk off the end of the limb. Now the max draw will be about 24inches, perfect for me but 3" below my guy's draw...I'm going to keep working on plan A just for fun, but I'll be digging through my stash this afternoon,  will post some pics soon.
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Post by: stuckinthemud on March 24, 2019, 11:57:45 am
How's this fpr a Plan B ? Slighrly characterful yew stave 80 inches long, 3inch diameter at centre
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Post by: Stickhead on March 25, 2019, 10:10:08 am
Got my sleeve on.

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Post by: High-Desert on March 25, 2019, 10:36:54 am
Thatís looking good stickhead. Someone will be very lucky to get a takedown
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Post by: Swampman on March 25, 2019, 04:28:40 pm
I am excited to see that takedown finished up.  It is looking good so far.
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Post by: M2A on March 25, 2019, 07:32:42 pm
Lots cool looking projects going on! I always enjoy seeing bows with some character. Many of the wood types you guys are working on I don't have access to or have not tried yet.

I'll weigh my Osage on Wendsday then again on Friday before I determine if its ready to continue on.
But I do expect it to be just fine.

Since I cant just do nothing I roughed out a red elm this weekend. Hope to build an eastern woodland style with it. 62 ntn. Thought it would be good but after getting it to low brace I determined the  MC is not low enough, so its sitting next to the Osage.

So...today I grabbed a black locust stave cut maybe 2-3 years ago and has been in my living room for the past 2 months so I know its good to go. My wife is a real saint for not giving me a hard time about leaving staves scattered around the house:)  I had been saving it for a Cherokee style bow. However, I'm going dream big on this one. Going to try a Shawnee style with it. Its risky and my last attempt at this style didn't work but this piece is wider, longer, and I gained some good experience from the last try. So throw caution to the wind and see what happens on this one. 

In the pic below from left to right. Failed red elm attempt at a Shawnee bow(just an example to show the profile style). Black locust, and red elm.

Will see how far I get on this locust by the weekend to see if I keep going or get back to the Osage.

Mike
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/46745986884_78cae1966c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2edMpi7)IMG_2576 (2) (https://flic.kr/p/2edMpi7) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
                     
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Post by: burchett.donald on March 26, 2019, 02:37:04 am
 Mike,
               Looking forward to your Eastland Woodland style bow...
                                                                                                   Don
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Post by: bushboy on March 26, 2019, 03:55:54 pm
Some really nice work guy!sorry for the lack of action shots but,I'm working at a bush camp by the 56th parallel in northern canada.i go for days off on April 1st and plan to take a stave or two with me when I return to work!
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Post by: M2A on March 28, 2019, 03:36:52 am
Welp, my idea for that bl stave just ain't going to happen. Just too much character in the wrong places for me make a specific design out of it so just going to work on it and the the style will be determined by what I can do with what it has to offer. Will try and get a pic or 2 up tonight to show where things are.

Don, I'll keep you up on that piece. It was cut over a year ago but still has lost .5 of an ounce from Sunday. Just from experience it'll be another 3 weeks before I feel good about continuing. But I got lots to work on ATM. And I'm slow as slow can be :)

Safe travels Mr Bush. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

Mike

Mike 

       
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Post by: Bayou Ben on March 28, 2019, 09:41:49 am
I have some live oak staves that I'm gonna try.  It's a species I haven't worked with yet, and I don't have a bunch of experience with self bows, so if it doesn't work out I'll resort to a bamboo backed lam bow.  :OK
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Post by: M2A on March 28, 2019, 03:23:24 pm
Here we go...I did say this morning I'd try and get a few pics up. Could not put in much time on this tonight but its coming along. Its 66"ttt, 1.5" at handle and 1"at tips right now. 1st picture shows it on a long string with about 6" of tip movement. I took the 2nd one thinking it would show the twist in the lower outer limb, but don't seem to show up as well as I thought, but you can see it on the tiller tree Limbs are both have natural reflex but are uneven by about an inch. I'd like to go just a few more inches then put some heat to it to even everything out and take that twist out best I can.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7837/33612573298_0ecee53f81_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TdedZQ)IMG_2580 (https://flic.kr/p/TdedZQ) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr

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Post by: hoosierf on March 29, 2019, 01:58:47 am
Little more progress on the HL. Sinew degreased with dish soap and steamed out a jog out of one of the fades. Tillered it to 26Ē at just below 40# and put my sinew in the fridge so it doesnít rot. Iíll lay down the first course over the weekend.  Iíve been using Old Brown hide glue in a double boiler at 140 degrees with good success.

https://imgur.com/gallery/nrgNFAZ
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Post by: hoosierf on March 30, 2019, 08:07:36 am
Two layers of sinew complete. Now we wait a few weeks.

https://imgur.com/gallery/aj0KVgj
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Post by: burchett.donald on March 30, 2019, 01:24:44 pm
      Nice looking reflex and sinew job hoosierf...
                                                                           Don
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Post by: hoosierf on April 01, 2019, 03:34:00 am
Gained another inch of reflex in a few days. This thingís gonna be a bugger to string.
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Post by: Mafort on April 01, 2019, 03:56:32 am
Well just wanted to update yíall. Sorry I havenít posted anything yet as far as my bow. Between the admirals coming into our secure area at work and a bunch of VIPs coming in daily I havenít been able to do much work on anything. I love the progress Iím seeing though. Yíall are way ahead of me. Iíll have on done and sent out by the deadline though you can rest assured of that
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Post by: bushboy on April 03, 2019, 05:10:38 am
White elm log,seasoned 2years,just need gas for my chain saw.i don't split my elm logs,just guarter them down.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 03, 2019, 03:44:13 pm
Iíve made a bit of progress on the first couple Iím messing with. These two are more like experimental play things before I resort to a more known to me wood and design. If these two dont work Iíll start in either a persimmon or black locust stave.
I finally got the short paddle bow flexing, wow this little thing is stiff. Full pressure and itís only moving an inch on the floor. The other is a white silk backed black cherry that is currently pulling 50# at 18Ē on the long string. One more rasping and Iíll brace it up and check the string alignment. Iíll work it back to a 24Ē draw at full brace. if it has still held up by then, Iíll narrow the tips down and try out the hollow limb thing. I like the look and want to try one myself.

Kyle
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Post by: stuckinthemud on April 07, 2019, 04:35:40 am
Sorry I haven't been chipping in recently, trying to finish off one or two little things to clear the decks a bit, hoping to get the workshop cleaned out and make some good progress over Easter - only a week to go!!!
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 07, 2019, 03:08:46 pm
No good pictures yet. But I got the cherry bow pulling 50# at 2Ē shy of full draw. So itís about time to pull the pin on the grenade, and brace it up and shoot it a bit and see what happens.

Kyle
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Post by: M2A on April 07, 2019, 03:53:42 pm
Been making shavings every chance I get. Got to spend most of today in my shop. Not sure I'll be sending this black locust out but have been working on it like I will be. I got it a few inches from the intended draw length at weight. Have to admit I'm not overly impressed with the pic I'm posting with it drawn, but I'm just out of steam to do any more today:) and I do like to try and show progress each week. Who need a gym membership when you can get a workout for free just tillering.

Back on topic....Looks to me like I got just a bit too much bend mid lower limb. Hope I have enough to even things up and stay at weight, I could also pike an inch from each limb if needed or heat treat again but think I can get what I need with fixing the tiller a bit. On the bright side, I still have 1" of reflex right after unstringing and it gains back more after resting....Think I started with 1.75 inches of reflex.

Going to study the picture for a few days and maybe get a video shooting it so I have a better idea of where to scrape. This is my 1st serious attempt at a bendy so any input is welcome.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7807/46644356615_45c008ba93_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2e4Nwa6)IMG_2600 (https://flic.kr/p/2e4Nwa6) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
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Post by: Bayou Ben on April 08, 2019, 05:19:22 am
Looks good Mike  :OK
I agree with your assessment of the inner/mid lower, but I don't think it will take all that much to even it out. 
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Post by: Stickhead on April 08, 2019, 08:57:13 am
Well, my plan A is still intact, but mighty weird.  (Got a yew stave on deck just in case.)  All curves are natural.  Nobody in their right mind would bend a stave like this on purpose.  So far, it fits together nicely, itís pretty symmetrical, and a long string lines up in the center.  It floor tillers okay so far, and Iím proceeding slowly to hopefully head off twisty bending.

(https://i.imgur.com/SbR1JGb.jpg)

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Post by: hoosierf on April 08, 2019, 09:28:29 am
Cool 2 piece stick, Stick!  I like that one.
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Post by: sleek on April 08, 2019, 11:43:12 am
Ohhh man, you are going to wish one of two things,  1: you had straightend thesideways bend, or 2: you hadnt recurved it...  There is no way that is going to live a long life.

Im being negative
Im being honest.
Im being blunt.

You got to fix one of those things.
Now im being helpful :)
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Post by: Stickhead on April 08, 2019, 01:07:56 pm
Sleek - I didnít recurve it.  It grew that way.  Actually, Iíve never had much luck bending ERC, Iím just trying to make this one work the way it grew.  Itís a long shot, but weíll see.
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Post by: sleek on April 08, 2019, 02:51:08 pm
Sleek - I didnít recurve it.  It grew that way.  Actually, Iíve never had much luck bending ERC, Iím just trying to make this one work the way it grew.  Itís a long shot, but weíll see.

Those curves will torque the limb sideways so bad it will split radially. Is there absolutely NO WAY to straighten the limbs?
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Post by: Stickhead on April 08, 2019, 03:43:06 pm
Well, Iím open for advice, but I donít know how to bend ERC that much.
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Post by: sleek on April 09, 2019, 02:39:04 am
Never tried myself. Try making a different thread asking? My onlu idea is to bend it straight under force and glue a backing on to keep it straight.
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Post by: jeffp51 on April 09, 2019, 03:40:58 am
It should bend like juniper. Wrap a small wet towel around it, then aluminum foil. Heat it with a heat gun and slowly tighten clamps until straight. Might take a couple sessions, but it should work at least some. I cut slots in a couple pieces of 2x4 to keep the limbs from twisting.
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS/PEARLY/PD/DRUMS on April 09, 2019, 05:02:16 am
I don't believe you will ever get it straight, Tom. Id suggest leaving it be and just file in a top groove only on your over lays so the string loop can float around wherever it needs to. If I did anything I may flatten the tips out just a bit and get rid of some the torque, but that is something you can do later if it gives you fits with a string on it.
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Post by: maitus on April 09, 2019, 05:05:03 am
As much Your bow looks crazy, i give You a crazy advice too :D. Bandsaw this bow for three even parts from tip to the handle. Like a chicken leg, steem bend them together to stright, leave in form to dry and then glue them back together and add a backing :D :D. I just have no idea does the glue line can bend in that way or not. But why it shouldnt.... 8)
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Post by: Stickhead on April 09, 2019, 06:25:57 am
I think Iím with Pearly.  Iíve got a plan to line up the tips with overlays, and Iím hoping to tiller it thicker on the inside arcs to fight twist.  This stuff really hates to heat-bend.  Iím still pessimistic, but at least thisíll be an interesting experiment.
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Post by: Stickhead on April 10, 2019, 05:27:52 am
And weíre on to Plan B.  Looks like I shaved too much of the back off fitting it into the copper sleeve.  But it may have been doomed from the start.  Time to get to work on my yew stave.

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Post by: DC on April 10, 2019, 05:41:29 am
I've seen so many pictures like that. It makes me wonder why people make take downs.
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Post by: sleek on April 10, 2019, 05:58:29 am
Sorry to see that happened to you.  As an aside, am i the only one who saw that and could smell the cedar?
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Post by: PatM on April 10, 2019, 06:20:05 am
Sorry to see that happened to you.  As an aside, am i the only one who saw that and could smell the cedar?

 I once read that the smell of cedar is the only smell that people can truly imagine they are smelling.
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Post by: Stickhead on April 10, 2019, 07:35:39 am
Yeah, the up side is that my shop still smells great.  And to have a totally ďglass half fullĒ attitude, the shavings can be used to make a great smoked Old Fashioned.
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Post by: hoosierf on April 10, 2019, 08:18:40 am
Uh, we're going to need that smoked old fashioned recipe please.
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Post by: M2A on April 10, 2019, 03:47:00 pm
Dang Stickhead, I was hoping you were going to be able to pull that one off. At least you got some use for the wood after all  :)

I found some time the last few evenings to make some corrections to my piece of locust. Think I'm back on track. You were right Ben, I didn't take much off and only lost 2 pounds from the draw weight. It was about 2 hours of checking-rechecking-working the limbs-checking....a few scrapes, repeat. Feels good and balanced to draw so we will see. Getting a bit ahead of myself, but have a good idea on how to pretty it up but gonna need to do a test piece first. Hope to get a string made, recheck string alignment and get a few arrows through it and see how it feels. Mike
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7916/46858647404_3c9a3ea2c5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eoJPkS)IMG_2610 (https://flic.kr/p/2eoJPkS) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
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Post by: Swampman on April 11, 2019, 01:43:49 am
That bend on that black locust is looking real nice Mike.  Looking forward to see how you pretty it up.
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Post by: High-Desert on April 11, 2019, 04:45:47 am
Thatís a bummer on that takedown stickhead. Thatís exactly how my first at a takedown ended up, the exact same break.

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Post by: High-Desert on April 11, 2019, 04:46:51 am
Thatís looking good M2A.
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Post by: High-Desert on April 11, 2019, 04:49:55 am
Iím at a standstill on this VM bow. Sheís shooting, just have to do a few final touches to bring it to draw length, but Iím not sure what to do for finishing. Some people donít like dye jobs, but VM looks awesome wth a dye job, and without dye, itís as white as white can be. I want my guy to get a bow he really likes.
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Post by: doulosparachristos on April 11, 2019, 05:33:13 am
Iíll try and post pictures tonight but I got plan A and B (Oregon ash and vine maple) floor tillered and ready for strings. I have a ton of sinew laying around so I just might get some sinew on them this weekend. I just might start plan C while they cure for a while. I havenít broke anything so Iím feeling good.
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Post by: jeffp51 on April 11, 2019, 08:27:01 am
Iím at a standstill on this VM bow. Sheís shooting, just have to do a few final touches to bring it to draw length, but Iím not sure what to do for finishing. Some people donít like dye jobs, but VM looks awesome wth a dye job, and without dye, itís as white as white can be. I want my guy to get a bow he really likes.

If you were going to send it to me, I would say dye away.  I have seen some beautifully dyed vine maple, and I have always felt the bow trade should be about work that shows off the character and skills of the maker--while also trying to please the receiver
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Post by: DC on April 11, 2019, 09:34:29 am
It all depends on your artistic skills. I have absolutely no colour sense so the victim would definitely not want me to dye it. Stark white would be way better. If you can mix dyes and paints and not have it look like a dog did it, then fly at it.
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Post by: sleek on April 11, 2019, 10:01:24 am
It all depends on your artistic skills. I have absolutely no colour sense so the victim would definitely not want me to dye it. Stark white would be way better. If you can mix dyes and paints and not have it look like a dog did it, then fly at it.

I usually use Helen Keller as an example, but the dog comment made me laugh.
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Post by: DC on April 11, 2019, 10:24:31 am
Colour sense is a gift. I'm not colour blind or anything. If I take a bow that I've stained and a sample of what I really wanted and show my wife, she'll say,"It needs a little red, or green." That's what I mean by colour sense. She just assumes everyone can do it. Tain't so ;D ;D
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Post by: hoosierf on April 12, 2019, 03:06:19 am
Dye it I say.  Show of those skills. Your work is cool.
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Post by: doulosparachristos on April 12, 2019, 08:25:22 am
Well I got the vine maple on the (left) tillered to 40# @ 26 but I think Iím going to put on a couple layers of sinew this weekend. The Ash on the right might get the same treatment after I take a real good look on the tillering tree. Iíll try to take some pictures with some bend on the next round.
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Post by: M2A on April 12, 2019, 01:56:18 pm
I'd say dye that v-maple High Desert.

Can't wait to see some of these sinew bows Doulosparachristo and Hoosierf are working on bending. Might motivate me to try one some day. Mike 
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Post by: stuckinthemud on April 12, 2019, 10:55:23 pm
I'd say to dye the VM bow too, it shows off you're full skill set, makes the bow a bit different and a bit more special.
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Post by: High-Desert on April 13, 2019, 05:38:27 am
Alright then, dye it is....the hard part, deciding on color, and mixing combos to find the right proportion.

Doulosparachristos, have you sinewed VM before? Iíve always wanted to try it with a short VM bow and wondered how the combo was.
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Post by: Stickhead on April 14, 2019, 03:51:38 am
Plan B is well underway.  Itís from a yew stave I picked up at the classic last year.  Gotta tame it a bit more with heat, and Iíll probably back it due to a couple of problem spots on the back.
(https://i.imgur.com/48obIKw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8GMWL5Y.jpg)
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 15, 2019, 11:12:48 am
I did a little straightening on that short, wide Osage. It had a bit of prop twist and a side bend. Hopefully I pulled most of it out. Once itís cool, Iím going to flip the tips and probably remove the reflex in the handle area and tweak any alignment and twist that may be left. And here is a simple way to bring a stave into alignment just a simple 2x4 as your form.

Kyle
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Post by: silent sniper on April 19, 2019, 09:16:06 am
I made some progress on my trade bow. I glued up a bamboo backing to a heat treated black locust belly. I added a little more reflex to this one compared to my past american style longbows.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47591944252_f6d2865d35_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fvx9WY)

After the glue up I added a shedua riser and drew out my handle profile.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47644797101_b8c8e8223d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fAd3fZ)

Next I will cut out the fades and start to get the limbs bending.
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Post by: stuckinthemud on April 21, 2019, 02:25:32 am
Apilogies for not chipping in recently but I wrenched my back 2nd day of Easter Break so am out of action for a few weeks :(
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Post by: hoosierf on April 21, 2019, 03:06:52 am
Sinew is doing its work. About time to put it back on the tree. Itís not tacky at all now after sitting in the sun so Iíll start at it again this week.

https://imgur.com/gallery/sf0slLp
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Post by: M2A on April 21, 2019, 07:13:53 pm
A lot of good looking builds going on guys! Cant wait to see how they come along.

I still been working at that piece of black locust. I been shooting some and chasing a few areas I'm not totally happy with, with sand paper. Also, almost have nocks at final shape. Going to keep tinkering with it and just take my time. Unstrung pic below is right after shooting for an hour or so, looked to have an inch of reflex still so pretty happy about that. Full draw pic below is about 2 inches short but have been drawing it farther last few days. Also, figured I'd throw in an action pic for the entertainment factor :). I think it helps me to see if limbs return even. Had to do some digging around for my staining supplies but that's all ready to go. Did a sample run of it today on a piece from my corner of shame and think it turned out well, might do one more test run of it. Think I'll hold off on more pics of this one until its finished up in a few weeks if all goes well.

On a side note, the red elm is dry and almost ready to brace. So going to be doing some work on that just in case.

 (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47633302421_d0a42155f3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fzc8hR)IMG_2618_Moment(6) (https://flic.kr/p/2fzc8hR) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33786920938_cc4bf06309_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TtCNtC)IMG_2626 (2) (https://flic.kr/p/TtCNtC) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46717754715_784a3f0604_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ebhGRz)IMG_2618_Moment(5) (https://flic.kr/p/2ebhGRz) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
           
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Post by: burchett.donald on April 21, 2019, 11:20:06 pm
     Absolutely gorgeous bend Mike...That is one well balanced bendy! Can't wait to see it all finished up man...That left over reflex shows you took great care and patience in your tillering...
                                                                                         Don
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Post by: hoosierf on April 22, 2019, 03:48:03 am
I sealed the sinew with TBII Dark. I find that is makes the sinew much smoother to the touch by filling small voids and holding down any small sinew fibers. I like the dark because it turns the sinew a reddish brown hue. You can see that starting in the last pic near the tip.



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Post by: bushboy on April 22, 2019, 02:34:01 pm
Looking good gents!spring is finally showing up here in the north,should have some chips flinging soon!
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Post by: Swampman on April 26, 2019, 09:28:23 am
Hey everyone, I wanted to apologize for my general absence from this thread.  I have just had an extremely busy time at my job and am just now getting caught up but it looks like things aren't slowing down anytime soon.  On top of that, my wife just got sone bad news that we need to deal with.  I may not be able to follow along with this trade as closely as I did last year but I will do my best.  I just want everyone to be aware of this and to keep up the good bow building.  It looks like many of you are making great progress! 

FYI, I did find some time last night to start some heat corrections on a couple of staves.  I will have the reserve bow built eventually.  I will try and snap some photos next time I do some work.  Last night was just much needed therapy and I didn't feel like taking pictures.
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Post by: M2A on April 27, 2019, 07:22:17 pm
Hope everything starts to go your way soon Mike. Bow building sure is a great way to blow off some steam.

Just a quick update on my projects...worked on the locust bow a bit more and raised the brace height by 3/4  of an inch and then put another 50 arrows through it. Think I have it where I want it and I think its gonna be right at the draw weight I was trying for. Need to check for tool marks and ready my staining materials. Not sure what to do for the grip area yet...was thinking of some kinda raw hide wrap...idk yet. Don't think I want too formal of a look to it. Its always exciting when I get a bow to this point.

Now for the elm. I braced it today for the 1st time. I need to even things up just a bit before I continue. With any luck I can get some pictures up in the next few days. really starting to like how this one is turning out so far. Sure hope I can get a shooter out of it. 
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Post by: Swampman on April 28, 2019, 03:39:31 am
Well it sounds like your black locust bow is coming together Mike.  Can't wait to see pictures of it. 

I got back in my shop yesterday.  I have 3 bows ready to start tillering but I wasn't in the mood for that.  I grabbed a straight stave of hackberry that needed a ring chased on it instead.  The reason it needed a ring chased was because a friend helped me move about a year and a half ago and he treated a couple of my staves like firewood and just tossed them in the back of his truck.  I managed to stop this behavior but not until a couple of staves were damaged.

Here is a picture of the ring chasing.  I am down to a good ring now.

(http://i.imgur.com/rIuM37s.jpg)
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Post by: Mafort on April 28, 2019, 08:24:48 am
Well Iím sorry I havenít been on much. Works been crazy busy. Finally got to sit down and work on 2 Osage staves and a short cherry stave. Iím goin to sinew back the cherry but due to where my recipient is I donít think a sinew backed bow is practical.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 29, 2019, 06:09:29 am
I got a white silk backed black cherry looking pretty good. But is pulling about 5 pounds under the lower weight. So itíll be held back as a secondary bow. It shot pretty good and is low mass for being 2Ē wide. I made it in a hollow limb wide a ridged fade. It aughta finish out real pretty. Just donít know what I want to put on a tip overlays. Some cot horn might look good.

Kyle
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Post by: stuckinthemud on April 29, 2019, 07:39:12 am
Hey Kyle, I'd love to see a photo of it  ;)
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 29, 2019, 02:23:21 pm
Iíll try to get some pictures of it braced and on the tree tomorrow. But this should get a rough idea of it.

Kyle
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Post by: stuckinthemud on April 30, 2019, 11:16:49 am
sweet!
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Post by: M2A on April 30, 2019, 05:17:05 pm
That 2 tone cherry is gonna look sharp  (-P
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 01, 2019, 04:03:22 am
I like the look of that cherry Kyle. 


Here's plan A.  Live oak with swirly grain.  Never made a bow from it yet, so this should be a nice challenge  :OK.  This stuff is tough as nails. 

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Post by: Swampman on May 01, 2019, 05:53:04 am
Ben, I have heard that live oak is very tough stuff.  Hope your tools are sharp!  Good luck.
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Post by: Swampman on May 01, 2019, 05:58:17 am
Well I had some time to go through this entire thread to kind of do an audit and verify participation.  I am very happy to report that everyone signed up has been contributing to the thread and posting some progress on their bows. There are even some bows mostly completed already.  Keep up the great work everyone!

FYI, I am keeping a few statistics that will result in some giveaways.  I am not telling anyone what these categories are so make sure and keep posting all of your progress so you have a chance at these giveaways! 
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Post by: bjrogg on May 01, 2019, 07:05:03 am
Glad to hear that Swampman. I keep looking from time to time. Good idea with the rewards give always.
Bjrogg
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Post by: Swampman on May 01, 2019, 05:38:27 pm
I started tillering one of my black locust staves tonight.  I got both limbs mostly even.  The picture below distorted the bend a bit so it doesn't look even.  The limbs are much closer than they appear in the photo.  After this picture was taken I gave the stave a heat treatment and took some twist out of one limb.

The next step will be to put tip overlays and then final tillering.

(http://i.imgur.com/rbG4SJa.jpg)

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Post by: M2A on May 02, 2019, 05:15:38 pm
Wanted to hold off till i got a bit more done on what i been working on but I got time now so here goes. Got stain on the black locust bow. Boiled walnut hulls and a bloodroot/alcohol  stain make up the colors. The picture doesn't show the bloodroot well, would show up better if the sun was out but been planting a new orchard at work so if the suns shining and the ground is dry enough we been sticking trees in the ground. Really liking how this one is turning out. Going to hold of on the last few details on it while I work on the red elm bow. Got the elm braced at 5 inches and evened things out a bit last weekend. Thought i'd have more time to work on it this week but didn't. Have it back to about 20 inches in the picture. Looks like I'm too high on the string....Was just a "see how things look pic". Hope to put a small amount of reflex in the outer 6 inches then I can narrow up the nocks and get them outters working better. It's a work in progress. 


(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33868728738_d4d6c428be_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TAS65W)IMG_2643 (https://flic.kr/p/TAS65W) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr

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Post by: burchett.donald on May 03, 2019, 09:52:43 am
    Ben, are you making a bendy out of that Live Oak? We have a ton of that here in S.C. It is bullet proof and nearly indestructible...
    Mike, I'm liking that paint on the Black Locust man!
    Swampman nice looking start...

    Enjoying this thread fella's, a bunch of fine work from everyone...
                                                                                                     Don
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 03, 2019, 10:07:58 am
Swampman, from what I can see it looks fairly balanced in the pic. 

Cool natural stain job Mike  :OK

Don, you are the only one I've seen who has made a bow from Live Oak.  I'll take any and all advice you have to offer. 
I'm going to try and let the stave tell me what it wants to be, but my gut is leaning towards a bendy. 
It's all around me too, but most of it is either prized in someone's front yard, or it's twisted up like a barber's pole in the woods.
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 03, 2019, 10:42:23 am
     Ben, A good heat tempering on the belly will help reduce string follow on Live Oak...Your stave shows some twist but you can heat that out later...Do you have a caul?
                                                                Don
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 03, 2019, 10:47:20 am
Yeah I do.  So although it has interlocking grain and is much denser, do you find it behaves like white oak?

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Post by: burchett.donald on May 03, 2019, 11:07:34 am
  Ben,
           I prefer Live Oak over White Oak when it comes to string follow...Seemed the Live Oak was more stubborn to bend or correct...It's density was probably the culprit, but I think that's why it has less string follow...Makes one of the toughest bendy's around...You won't break it...My opinion is they are different
                                                                                            Don
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 03, 2019, 11:14:51 am
You won't break it...

I wouldn't be 100% sure about that.   ;D 
Hopefully I can bend that twist out. 
Thanks for the advice. 
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Post by: Swampman on May 04, 2019, 09:47:42 am
Here is my black locust getting closer to a bow.  It is fresh off a heat treatment and I put tip overlays on it.  The tip overlays are keys from an early 1900s piano.  I haven't cut string grooves in yet and I think I will take a little more mass off before I do that. 

I won't be able to do any more work on anything for at least the next week as I will be away for work for awhile.

(http://i.imgur.com/mGhEx7s.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/52dCRHX.jpg)
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Post by: stuckinthemud on May 04, 2019, 09:51:02 am
Really envious of the progress you guys are making, reckon it will be another week before I 'm match fit  >:(
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Post by: stuckinthemud on May 06, 2019, 08:46:33 am
Ok,
So digging through my stash
I've shortlisted these 3 staves, all about 66" long. Left to right  a snaky piece of privet,
A nearly perfect length of blackthorn
And a hawthorn stave with a 90 degree heli twist .
I'm leaning toward the blackthorn but it could be  a little boring to work on. What do you all think?(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/20190506_190529296138209536493571.jpg)
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Post by: M2A on May 06, 2019, 04:54:27 pm
That BL is coming along nice Mike. like the contrast of those overlays also.

Looking forward to see what you do with that live oak Ben.

I don't think that blackthorn is boring at all. Can't say I know anything about that wood but from what I can see in the picture it looks like that wood has some nice character to it. I think some very fine sanding and oil finish would make for a pretty piece.

Slow going for me right now. Hope to be back at it soon.
Mike   
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Post by: hoosierf on May 08, 2019, 09:21:18 pm
Honey Locust still in the hunt. Starting tillering and itís out to 26Ē and holding its reflex at 45# at 26Ē.  Plenty more work to do on it. 
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Post by: stuckinthemud on May 08, 2019, 09:45:16 pm
Love it! How thick are the limbs?
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Post by: hoosierf on May 09, 2019, 03:24:12 am
1/2Ē thick for most of its length including sinew and 1-7/8Ē wide for as long as the stave allowed. It will easily draw to 28Ē and itís about 58Ē long. Iím liking it for a hunting bow which is about all Iíve been building lately. I like more the rugged style and my trade pard builds a more refined bow so Iím going for something I doubt he has on his rack...I hope.  Heís in a dry climate so I think the sinew is a good choice.  This trade is fun. I look forward to it. Good way to get motivated in spring.
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Post by: jeffp51 on May 09, 2019, 10:15:35 am
Outer limbs still look really stiff
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 09, 2019, 02:08:34 pm
  Yea, I winced when I looked but than remembered it was sinew backed and calmed down...Looks like a real speedster! Looks fast hoosierf...
                                                                                                                                                                              Don
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Post by: hoosierf on May 09, 2019, 03:27:04 pm
Speed with semi-levers is the objective.
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Post by: M2A on May 15, 2019, 04:45:45 pm
Good to see that sinew job doing well Hoosierf. Never used the stuff yet but have some in the shop for when inspiration strikes. Like watching your build progress.

Got some work done on a piece of red elm over the weekend. This piece has had its ups and downs for me. Got it to brace and adjusted the tiller and had things nice then added reflex to the tips then the other limb was too heavy. In hind sight, think I scraped through the original heat treatment on the limb and that made things flip flop on me. Unbraced, it still holds a small amount of reflex not counting the tips. Going to heat treat the limbs again and then try and to tiller out to full draw. I am no pro but seems to me heat treating changes elm more so than any other wood I have  worked with. Heat treating should put me in good shape as far as draw weight provided tiller stays close and that's my big question right now. Don't want to say anything too good or bad about it yet. Going to work this piece to a final outcome one way or another. The locust is done except for some cosmetics and writing so taking some chances to try and one up myself. 

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46928873455_4ce6dd93c7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2euWK6R)IMG_2670 (2) (https://flic.kr/p/2euWK6R) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr
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Post by: doulosparachristos on May 15, 2019, 05:51:36 pm
Well itís been a few weeks so I decided to take the Oregon Ash off the form; the sinew looks okay so Iíll give it a bit longer then retiller. It was pulling right at #53 @ 26 so Iím hoping to gain a bit of weight.
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 16, 2019, 02:18:40 am
  Looking good guy's !  I'm joining bow trade next time, seems I'm missing out on all the fun...
                                                                                                                                              Don
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Post by: hoosierf on May 16, 2019, 04:37:49 am
Pics later but i have now sent about 50 arrows down range.  Speed is decent but not super.  I put 3 more intact steer back tendons over the middle of the bow Sunday ending them about 12Ēí from the tips to add some zip. I remember John Strunk talking about moving sinew out further from the neutral plain (i think over cotton) which increases leverage as i understand the physics. Iíve been experimenting with some minor attempts at that and the results seem encouraging. I have an Osage shorty with sinew over linen set in PVA and its a rocket so i did that here but this one is just more sinew over sinew.   More to come but preliminary floor bending looks pretty encouraging. Iíll see how  cast and draw weight has changed in a few days.

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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 16, 2019, 09:30:34 am
Hereís where I ended up with the black cherry. Itís pulling 45# at draw length. Iím pretty sure the lower limb is a bit too stiff. But it shoots pretty well, a buddy and I spent a few hours one evening shooting and put about 100-150 arrows through it. What do you all think? Itís 2Ē to mid limb, then has double angles leading into 1/2Ē nocks. Initial angle lead straight to 1Ē tips then I recut from 10Ē from the nocks to angle into 1/2Ē.

Kyle
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Post by: doulosparachristos on May 16, 2019, 09:51:25 am
Dang! Looking good.
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Post by: hoosierf on May 16, 2019, 10:17:50 am
I like it.

 Iíd heat treat that top limb only and I bet it will be perfect. Itís good as is but agree with your observation and Iím guessing you donít want to give up any draw weight.
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 16, 2019, 10:43:08 am
I like it.

 Iíd heat treat that top limb only and I bet it will be perfect. Itís good as is but agree with your observation and Iím guessing you donít want to give up any draw weight.

Good suggestion hoosierf.  I was going to suggest taking some off the bottom, but that would reduce the weight. 
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 16, 2019, 03:09:21 pm
      I think Kyle's bow is silk backed, heat may not be a good idea...
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 16, 2019, 03:28:09 pm
It is silk backed. Iíd thought about just heating the upper limb as well. But had that idea and that itís blackcherry, so typically fails in tension anyway. I may have to drop it to a 40# draw to get things right with it. Good thing ive got a back up and a pile of staves ready to go.

Kyle
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Post by: Mafort on May 16, 2019, 03:32:19 pm
My phone will not post pictures no matter how much I edit or try so I am working on a couple different ones. Osage and a hickory shorty that I plan on either sinew backing ( yea I know I know not a smart thing to do but hey) or flax backing. The Osage is long enough that I should be ok with it and Iím hoping I did a good enough job with the growth ring.... I guess Iíll know when I get it on the filleting tree.
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Post by: Swampman on May 16, 2019, 03:48:44 pm
Looks like some great progress is being made.  There are some nice looking bows being built.  I have my black locust tillered out and need to shoot it in.  I am dealing with a shoulder problem so I can only shoot about 10 shots a day right now.  It will take me a while to shoot it in.  I have several other projects i am working on in the meantime.  I will snap some pictures soon.

Mafort, if you want to send me pictures to my phone, I could post them for you.  Just send me a pm if you want me too and I will give you my number.

Mike
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Post by: M2A on May 17, 2019, 02:00:31 am
I bet that cherry would pretty up real well Kyle. From what I can see I'd have to agree about the tiller. I think 2 lbs off that bottom limb would make things look even in a f/d pic, if thats the right thing to do or not.....If it shoots well maybe its where it needs to be. I dont mind a slightly stiffer lower limb, makes for a nice release imo. You could always pike limbs  maybe .5" each to bring weight back up. If it was me I would not do that, instead I'd be pleased with say a  43-45# bow that shoots well.               
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Post by: Mafort on May 17, 2019, 07:05:41 am
Looks like some great progress is being made.  There are some nice looking bows being built.  I have my black locust tillered out and need to shoot it in.  I am dealing with a shoulder problem so I can only shoot about 10 shots a day right now.  It will take me a while to shoot it in.  I have several other projects i am working on in the meantime.  I will snap some pictures soon.

Mafort, if you want to send me pictures to my phone, I could post them for you.  Just send me a pm if you want me too and I will give you my number.

Mike

I would like that if itís no issue with ya. My phone is just down right weird sometimes
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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 20, 2019, 04:13:45 am
I got a little time to reduce this live oak closer to rough out.  I did my best to chase a ring but it's almost impossible as there's no defined early and late growth with this diffuse porous wood.  Hopefully it can handle some violations.  I'm assuming it can with the interlocking grain.
A little snakey and it has some propeller twist. 
I'm going start plan B too, just in case this doesn't go as planned. 
 
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Post by: bushboy on May 20, 2019, 03:44:29 pm
Finally getting my butt in gear.plan A ,bamboo backed yellow heart 5 curve.
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 20, 2019, 05:37:48 pm
  Ben,
           That's about as nice of a stave as you can get with Live Oak around here...That one is slightly twisted, most should come out...I like it so far buddy, nice character...That interlocking grain in one tough customer...
                                                                                        Don
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Post by: M2A on May 20, 2019, 07:20:12 pm
Well.....my elm piece went down over the weekend. Thought I'd heat treat handle area then put to the cull just to get a bit of reflex to the that area. Did it in hand to keep heat from wrapping and getting trapped against the back, though that would be a good conservative  move on my part. Guessing I over dried the wood then added stress to it? Pulled fibers apart with little pressure, should have reflexed it on the cull. Regardless that piece is toast. Not too happy about that but moving on.

Been eyeing up my original plan A. If I recall its 64"ttt Osage. Its got a few issues but think I can make it work. Its already at floor tiller stage. More to come on that piece in next few weeks.

Also been rounding up some more supplies for that locust bow. Think I have a real good plan my victim would really like. Just hope I can pull it off. That's all I got for now.
Mike       

   

           
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Post by: Swampman on May 21, 2019, 02:00:04 am
Mike, I did the exact same thing with my black locust bow over the weekend.  I had been fighting the tiller on this bow and I finally had it mostly evened out.  I was giving one final light heat treat and was simply putting light pressure on the limb with my hand to add a little reflex and it popped.  The crack is on the belly and in my experience it will still make a bow but not one I would give to anyone else.  I set that one aside and started working on a sliver of osage.  I will have to see what I can do with that.

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Post by: Bayou Ben on May 21, 2019, 03:51:00 am
Finally getting my butt in gear.plan A ,bamboo backed yellow heart 5 curve.

This should be interesting.... :OK
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Post by: stuckinthemud on May 22, 2019, 02:05:55 am
My back is nearly fixed, hoping to make some chips fly by middle of next week
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 22, 2019, 02:22:25 am
 Mike, I think that locust is a jewel...NA all the way...Love the paint, can't wait to see it posted up...
                                                                                                                                                     Don
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 22, 2019, 02:25:13 am
 Bush, looking forward to a 5 curve here...
 
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Post by: bushboy on May 22, 2019, 04:12:00 pm
I'm at  a remote work camp,so not really set up for lam bows
.anyways glued it up this evening,may have lost the 5 curve profile .we will see?my rubber bands where limited.however I used good 2 part epoxy.
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Post by: hoosierf on May 23, 2019, 09:46:55 am
Letting my sinew cure and the honey locust draw weight may not hit my target. Itís at about 39# at the moment. Weíll see in a week.  So, I started on the white ash stave which was on my list next anyway. Bark removed and stave split, but cambium remains. Long way to go yet.
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 24, 2019, 02:11:23 am
  I like that judicious bark removal...Nothing wrong with a bit of cambium, sanding finish will be beautiful...Nice looking back hoosierf...
                     Don
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Post by: hoosierf on May 24, 2019, 03:48:56 am
Good to know.  Never left it on except for birch and I always expected it to pop off which it did. Iíll try to keep it.
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Post by: burchett.donald on May 24, 2019, 11:08:06 am
  hoosierf,
               It probably will pop off, I meant to "compliment" your taking the bark off with no violations, you done a great job...I have left some cambium before in the deep grooves of wood such as a Hickory back but usually it will eventually feather up in areas...I think on the Ash I would try and remove it if it were mine...Looking good man
                                                                                                                                 Don
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Post by: hoosierf on May 25, 2019, 04:16:03 am
 Thanks very much for the advice Don.
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Post by: Swampman on May 25, 2019, 04:35:22 pm
Posting some pictures for Mafort.  Osage and hickory.

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Post by: High-Desert on May 26, 2019, 08:19:13 am
Itís so awesome seeing these bows come along.

I finally got the tip overlays glued on and shaped. A little piece of African Black wood to contrast the white VM. Now to sanding and a little tiller touch up.
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Post by: Mafort on May 26, 2019, 09:26:03 am
Thatís going to be a beautiful bow high desert. Iíd love to see pictures of it
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Post by: bushboy on May 31, 2019, 10:08:21 am
Well heres a look at plan B,white elm stave,zigzag handle,Molly thingy .

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Post by: stuckinthemud on June 01, 2019, 06:54:30 am
Finally made a start on plan B - got the bark stripped and started shaping. This blackthorn is tough stuff, and the stave is narrower than I'd like at 5cm width at centre, its gonnna be really high crowned. I did want a leaf-shaped hollow limb but might end up with a D-bow, we'll have to see what happens
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Post by: M2A on June 02, 2019, 12:47:00 pm
Things seem to have been going slow for me as of late but making some progress on some stuff.

1st things first. A few weeks ago after thinking about the locust bow I determined that it needed to be in a set and anything short of that just wasn't going to be proper. Sorry but sometimes I go off in a different direction like this. Was debating on sharing that now or wait till the end but in the "spirit" of the trade figure I'd share a little about that now. So, locust bendy....I figured a nice basket quiver would be just the thing. Lots of good examples out there and some good build alongs. Cane would make things easier and will need to try sometime but I wanted a different look for this. Things were not working well for me, for one reason or another until I came across a weeping willow branch that came down in a recent storm. The stuff bends well and is a nice fit for what I was looking for. Almost have the weaving done. Not sure what i can get or come up with for the sling but will start thinking on that next. Pretty darn pleased with this bow/quiver project. Its not what I had in mind when I started but coming together well. That said any criticism is welcome. Still have to dress this set up a bit just gonna take my time and tinker at it.

Also got back to work on the Osage piece. It was a large stave but some problem areas left me with what i got. Plenty to make a good bow if I can do it is another question lol. It has natural deflex in the handle. I was not pleased with my 1st attempt at reflexing limbs and just set it aside. Seeing the Simson's most recent bow made me rethink things and he was kind enough to answer some questions. So i steamed limbs to put reflex in tips. Dont' think its too dramatic but it will be a challenge for sure. My steam tube is a piece of old irrigation pipe so the wood got dirty but does give the appearance of being over done with dry heat. I'll need to clean that up.

That's what I got for now.

Mike
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47988422452_f31f6d801a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2g7zd71)IMG_2681 (2) (https://flic.kr/p/2g7zd71) by Mike Allridge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158435722@N02/), on Flickr

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Post by: burchett.donald on June 02, 2019, 01:49:32 pm
 Mike,
           The Weeping Willow was a brilliant idea, they are so flexible...My aunt had one in Ohio and I would break them off and crack them like a whip...I think it is better than cane when it comes to weaving a basket...That basket quiver and locust bow kit is going to be sweet when you finish buddy...Kind'a stuff I like to see on PA...
          That piece of Osage looks really nice...

           I dug a couple hides out, Otter and a Coon which both could be cut into quarters along the length and make a beautiful strap for that basket...If your interested PM me your address and I will ship them...Won't cost you a thing Mike...
                                                                                                                                                                       Don
                                                                   
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Post by: M2A on June 02, 2019, 05:28:48 pm
Thanks Don.  Thought I had some local elm bark lined up for that quiver but have not been able to make that happen yet. Some of the local  willow i tested was to brittle(black willow maybe??). I really lucked out to find that on a burn pile, could not have been better timing. I took all that was good.

Those skins look great. I'll send you a Pm if not tonight, in the next day or 2. Thanks!
Mike       
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on June 11, 2019, 06:09:07 am
These short, wide Osage sticks sure donít like to lose weight. Itís just creeping itís way down. 46Ē between the nocks and 2 5/8Ē wide. Just now hitting a 20Ē draw, with a hopeful goal of 25-26Ē. I may need to flip the tips a smidge more to keep the string on by that point. Btw that flat looking spot in the outer third of the right limb is a reflex spot in the stave.

Kyle
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Post by: Swampman on June 11, 2019, 10:40:00 am
 That is looking good Kyle.
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Post by: Mafort on June 11, 2019, 11:45:11 am
My main Osage bow broke. turns out I cut into the ring a bit and went to draw it on the filleting board and it blew up. Sooo on to my next bow. 66in long smooth leaf elm. Wide and thin flat bow. Swampman Iíll send you some pictures if you still donít mind posting them on here.
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Post by: Swampman on June 12, 2019, 01:36:12 am
Mafort, you can go ahead and send me your pictures. 
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Post by: Bayou Ben on June 13, 2019, 04:08:15 am
Off and on I've been working the live oak stave down to floor tiller.  Last night I used the heat gun to straighten out the propeller twist and add a little reflex.  To my surprise it responded well to dry heat and I was able to take almost all of the twist out in this one session. 
This morning I pulled it off the form and it retained almost all of the corrections, but when I flipped it over I saw these deep cracks that developed on the back.  I'm not sure if there was excess moisture in this piece, but I think I need to get working on plan B  :-\
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Post by: jeffp51 on June 13, 2019, 06:30:14 am
start on plan B for sure, but also fill those cracks with CA glue, and see what happens--it looks like the cracks are longitudinal, and might be fine.

For my part, I am in Germany right now, and haven't been able to work on my bow, but I am still alive and should still be in good shape.
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Post by: burchett.donald on June 14, 2019, 06:39:06 am
Ben,
       That looks like a moisture problem...When was it cut? I seen a couple small separations on the "belly" of one of my Live Oak bows, but not to that degree...This may be a characteristic of Live Oak? Mine were 2 years old sitting in the corner before I tried them...They were kept inside also, so moisture was very low...Your second picture looks like moisture stains as it escaped? I'm only guessing here...I get those stains when I steam sometimes also...I was looking forward to your build and hate this has happened...
                       Don
       
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Post by: Bayou Ben on June 14, 2019, 10:00:31 am
It was more than likely a moisture problem Don, I agree.  This was cut 1.5 years ago and it has sat in my unconditioned workshop since then.  The humidity gets pretty high here, averaging 70% in the summer months.
I haven't checked the MC on this piece as I normally don't worry about that until I am ready to start bending it.  I bet it was high. 
The stains were where I initially boiled the end.  It was a test to see if it responded better to boiling.  I found it responded better to dry heat though (maybe because the MC was high). 
It's not a big deal.  I have a couple staves like this one and now I have a better understanding of the wood and at what dimensions it starts to bend, so I'll get started on another one.  I'll just make sure it's dry before I heat it. 
 
   
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Post by: burchett.donald on June 14, 2019, 01:04:31 pm
Ben,
       We can learn together about this wood...Glad you posted your findings...As said, it may be a characteristic of this wood...On a side note, if it were mine, I would size that back 2 times with some hide glue allowing it to gel and fill the gaps and lay some sinew down...You done a fine job following the grain...Real hide glue is some super stuff, I use it for cracks instead of super glue...It will pull the wood fibers away before breaking under tension...I found knox to be a little brittle because it is so refined...Don't want to start an argument here about hide glue vs knox, some will say it's the same, but it's not...Please keep me posted on your findings with this Live Oak...
                                                                                                                                                                           Don
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Post by: M2A on June 14, 2019, 04:48:30 pm
That's too bad Ben. 

Still been working on my victims set. Mr. Burchett was kind enough to send me out the hides above. Thanks a ton Don! Had a good bit of time to think about things and come up with a game plan. Had things lined up and ready so when I got home from work was able to get right on it. Cut some raw hide lacing and laced up the coon hide into a tube shape. The hide was a few inches too short to do what I wanted so I stitched a raw hide flap on the bottom and have that tied to the bottom of the quiver with a piece of dogbane I already had laying around. The extra rawhide should better protect the bottom of the quiver. All the visable rwhide is stained with walnut hulls and used a little of that stain around the eyes on the hide to darken the very edges of the leather.  Hope to start on the strap this weekend. Know how I want that to look just will need to problem solve as i go. I will be sending out the locust bow and this quiver to my guy. Still going to work on the osage piece but think he's really going to like this set. Still work to do tho.   
Mike

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Post by: Swampman on June 15, 2019, 01:45:52 am
Mike, that quiver is looking great.  It is going to be a great companion to the black locust bow. 
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Post by: burchett.donald on June 15, 2019, 03:58:19 am
  Looks awesome Mike !   Can't wait to see this primitive kit complete....I'm jealous of the recipient
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on June 15, 2019, 06:32:35 am
That quiver is looking awesome!!

Got that little paddle bow pulling a bit above weight at 23Ē. As expected itís stacking pretty good gaining about 5# per inch of pull at this point.  So Iím flipping the tips a bit more. Partially to keep the string on, and to see if itíll smooth out the draw cycle the last couple inches. Once flipped, Iíll put the overlays in and shape out the nocks.

Kyle