Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Dustybaer on April 08, 2008, 05:48:32 am
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inspired by patb, who not only makes very fine bowstrings, but also very nice 2-fletched arrows, i had to try it myself (previous experiments were less than satisfactory). thanks to the help received on this message board, i decided to take a different approach from what i used to do, so here is the result. no jigs, no glue, just free-style wrapping. i was pleasantly surprised how easy it was. i still would like a third hand, but i have something in mind that might help. i'll post pictures of it, IF it works.
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How do they shoot ?
Pappy
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sorry pappy, don't know yet. just whipped 'em up last night (while i was surfing the message boards) and brought them into the office this morning to show them to bud, my shooting buddy. so we used the office camera to take a quick picture and post it. i had made a similar one with untrimmed fletches, which flies very nicely but is very noisy. i'm hoping the shape of these feathers will reduce noise. if i get to it, i'll mount some points tonight and give'em a try.
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Nice looking, ought to fly. Kenneth
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Cool fletching Marius. :) How long are the feathers?
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Dang Marius, Pat may make cool strings, but you are the man for fletching. Justin
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Nice Marius. Let us know how they fly. Pat
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If they're still noisy, I was told that trimming the backs of the fletching at a backwards angle so that you've got a sort of kite shape helps reduce noise (you don't have those little free-hanging tips flapping in the breeze, as it were).
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they passed the test with flying colors (pun intended). absolutely no noise. my best flying arrows so far. match the signature bow perfectly. point of impact on short distance (only have about 8 yards in the back yard) is the same as with 3 fletches. i do expect better performance over 20 yards though.
thanks for the compliments, folks.
dingleberry, they are 5.5" long and .6" tall
justin, it will be a while before i can take it up with pat when it comes to arrowmaking (he's got the longer beard, you know, and according to gregb, the beard is a reflection of your talent ;D ).
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and here's another pic. i fletched 5 more. tomorrow i will complete the dozen ;D
sorry about the poor quality of the picture.
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Look excellent to me. Always gonna have a soft spot for two feathers :).
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thanks kegan, so do i.
i've come to the conclusion that i don't need a third hand (nor any jigs for that matter). all it took was a little practice ;D funny how that works sometimes. just realized on the picture that the spacing on the wrap is not very uniform. sorry about that.
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Looks good to me,nice job. :)
Pappy
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Well Marius, Take them, apart and redo them. We can't have you submitting uneven wrapping! Pat
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thanks pappy.
pat, uhm....no >:D
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Marius, I think Pat forgot the discussion about it being primitive archery. ;) Of course if you would quit trying to make them all fancy nobody would care. I like to make them primitive then everybody expects them to look like a 4 year old did them. Mine fall right in there with a 4 year old's. ;D As long as they fly good, who cares if they aren't perfect looking. Justin
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Those are really nice looking two fletch arrows. Very cool ! I haven't tried that version, but I like em. I have made a different version of two fletch arrows for many years. I was told it was it was an Eastern Cherokee style. I am new to this forum so don't know if you have talked about them. It is easy to do in a primitive setting, do not need a third hand, stabizes the arrow quickly, and makes use of two secondary wing feathers. The shaft is basically sandwiched between two feathers, with ends of feathers secured with sinew and hide glue. The arrows make a fluttering noise like a flu-flu, are faster than a flu-flu, but slower than 3 fletched arrows.
Dustbaer's 2 fletch arrows are much nicer looking, quieter, and probably faster than mine. I just thought I would mention another primitive type that I have had good luck with. If there is any interest I can round up a closeup photo . There is a photo of a few of my primitive arrows including a couple 2 fletch arrows on the Primitive Skills/ "Life is Good (up in the Northwest)" thread on page 7.
Allen Minton
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justin, pat forgets things occasionally. ;D i've gotten used to it. you will too, in due time. and just because i'm a redneck, doesn't mean i don't have style. i herewith announce a new category of arrows not modern, not abo, but primitive-fancy or short, primancy (not to be confused with your style, which i would describe as fancy-primitive or short fanitive) ;D
allen, there is always interest for pictures, especially closeups. i like the 2-fletches you mentioned in the other thread. what kind of feathers did you use? is it a different species of turkey?
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Alan, I'd like to see a close up of your Cherokee 2 fletch. The ones I posted on "new arrows 2008" under ARROWS are the first that I have done. After making 4 of them the method improved with each as did the performance.
I'm gonna try some like Marius' next. I hope red feathers are OK. You know how picky and demanding them Germans(Transylvanians) can be! ;D Pat
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red feathers would be very nice, with a black wrapping maybe, to match those fine strings you make ;D
finished fletching the "dirty dozen" (just can't take pictures worth a crap >:( )
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Dustybare
Nice arrows, very impressed. You have inspired me to have a go, have only ever made 3 fletch arrows.
Have alway thought that 2 fletch would not fly that well? Will post some pics when I have made some.
Peter (UK)
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Here are a couple photos of my two fletched arrows. Not as pretty, but very functional. I use the secondary wing feathers from wild Canadian Geese. On these remember to strip the leading edge of feather halfway back, leave the trailng edge alone. Sand and bevel the thick base of spine so it llays well on shaft. Have fun!
Allen
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allen, what do you mean "not as pretty"? they are absolutely beautiful. i actually like them better than mine. (need to get me some of those feathers, only have primaries). have you considered a little helical spin? or do they spin because of the removed leading edge? you said they are somewhat noisy though, right? that coincides with my observations with a similar design. thanks for posting the pictures. very inspiring.
peter, good luck and please show us the results (can't see enough of this stuff ;D )
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If you use the correct secondary feathers; this method naturally imparts a spin to the arrow. It is part of the beauty of this very basic style. They are very cool arrows. Used local wild rose shafts, deer leg sinew, and hide glue to finish off the arrow. Aside from the fluttering noise, the only problem with this method, is that the slender tip of spine back by the nock sometimes slips out from under the wrapping after repeated target shooting. So, make sure you have a solid wrap and leave some little bits of feather still attached for some additional roughness under the sinew wrap. Also, seal the sinew/hide glue with beeswax so it doesn't loosen up in high humidity or wet conditions.
Allen
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allen, if you tuck the thin end under, like i did (it's barely visible on the first picture) they won't slip out anymore. just a thought.
shot the entire set today. i'm absolutely excited. they fly really well off the signature bow.
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Allen, those look great. I like the two-feather Eastern woodlands fletch. Most of the old original Cherokee arrows I have seen use that same system, but the feathers are put on with a good bit of helical and trimmed shorter. That also helps with the noise. I live near the Cherokee rez, and that style of fletching is still being used by some of the traditional arrow makers of the tribe.
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here's another perk with two fletches. i could never fit 12 arrows into this quiver before, at least not without squeezing the feathers half to death.
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Marius- that's pretty sweet, both the quiver and the arrows ;D!
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Yep, that quiver is cool. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Other%20Stuff/cool02.png)
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Hey Hillbilly: That is cool news. I didn't know anyone else still used this Cherokee two fletch style. I have made some of these for over twelve years, and have never seen anyone else use this method - except for two other guys that learned it from me. Many years ago, I did experiment some with trimming them differently. I remember it helped with the noise but not with the flight. However, I never tried to apply them with a helical twist like on a 3 fletch. I have been pretty happy with them as is, except for the occasional one that slips out from under the wrapping. Last couple years, I have focused more on horseback archery and improving my flintknapping skills. I love flinging arrows from back of a running horse .
Allen
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thanks guys. that quiver is really good when it rains. i just close the flap and the fletching is protected plus when i'm done shooting, i usually tie the bow to the laces you see dangling down from the strap, so i don't have to carry it in my hand ;D did i mention i'm lazy?
allen, in addition to wrapping the thin end of the quill upside down (i.e. pointing to the tip), you could also tie the feathers down at the center, like michbowguy did on his. that way nothing could slip. just a suggestion.
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Dustybaer
You made an excellent job of that quiver. I have made a few but all back quivers. How is that type worn?
Peter (UK)
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thank you peter. i wear it on either side, depending on my mood. when i get home, i'll ask my son to pose for me, so i can show you how i would wear it.
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Pretty arrows, is there any reason for two rather than three other than novalty or preferance, again real pretty. Kenneth
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I tried the cherokee fletch a while ago but they flew badly. Does it make a difference if there is a slight helix or did I just do it wrong? To everyone who posted pics, those look amazing! I'm very jelious.
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I thnk you must have done something wrong. Our cherokee two fletched arrows shoot fine. Depends on how they are trimmed. I don't have a helical on mine.
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kenneth, i wouldn't consider it a novelty, two-fletches have been around as long as three fletches (i think ;D ). the advantages for me are:
1. they're easier to make without jigs
2. you need less material
3. can't prove it yet, but they appear somewhat faster to me, without loosing accuracy.
4. you can fit more of them into the same quiver ;D
5. i likes them ;D
benjamin, thanks. when you make the next set, try half with and half without helical. then continue the style you like best. looking at my native amercan archery books, i find about as many without, as i find with helical spin (unless my memory tricks me ;D )
peter, could't talk my son into it ;D but here's a picture for you. different quiver but same style. i sometimes wear it on the right and sometime on the left.
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Nice looking arrows. Have you shot them yet?
Sean
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thanks sean, yes i have and really like the way they fly.
a friend of mine is making a dozen tradepoints for them, so i'm curios to see how broadheads affect their flight. i'll find out early may, when i see him.
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Gordy Mickens,of Selway archery and Jim Neaves of Centaur bows,kill deer and Elk,every yr with 2 fletch and broadheads.I made the best shot of my life,with a 2 fletched arrow.45yrds on a cottontail rabbit.put it right through the heart.I can still remember the perfect flight of that arrow,like it happened 10 mins ago.
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Dustybare
Thanks for the photo's, I like that style.
I think I will now need to make a new quiver to go with my two fletched arrows.
Peter (UK)
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thanks for the info, traxx. and congratulations on that shot.
peter, you're welcome and please show us pictures of both the two-fletched arrows as well as the quiver.
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I had to have another look at this thread because those arrows just look so nice. I'm not sure why but something about them really appeals to me. Very simple, very stylish.
I made some very long (57 inch) semi-replica south amercian arrows with straight two fletch. Despite having no hellical they fly very well.
Mark in England
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thanks mark. now that you mention it, i remember talking to you about them a while back. i always meant to try super-long arrows, but hillbilly beat me to it ;D
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i made some two featherd ones. they flew alot like a football. spining REALLY fast and made alot of noise. shot streight. might be good for competitions or something. sence those are trimed, they prolly do shoot good. great work friend.
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thanks recurve. i'll know more tomorrow, when i try them on a 3-D range. i'll keep y'all posted ;D
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i shot them all day today, even had friends shoot them off their bows. you see the result on the picture. i have removed the fletching and will start from scratch. i'm really doing it because pat didn't like my uneven wrapping, but since pat is big-headed enough, i'll pretend it was a technical necessity. the drag is too much,so i decided to trim the feathers down to 5" length and about 3/8" hight. then i'll wrappemup again and start the next test ;D
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...yay. ;D
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Marius, Even though you talk bad about me :( I still look up to you and want to copy you. ;D Here is a 2 fletch I made yesterday. I shot it this morning and if flew very well. I will make a few more like it soon.
Pat
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i see you have significantly less helical on yours. what size fletching did you use? i do like that red. and i'm re-fletching a dozen arrows just to please you, so, if that's not respect and admiration, i don't know what is ;D
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This is my first so with the others I will add more helical. This one flew straight but didn't seem to spin much. I'll have to try one with an broadhead on it and see how they do. If they work well I plan to hunt with them. I used full length store bought feathers and burned them to 5 1/2" to 6".
I would call it fear more than respect and admiration. ;D Pat
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pat, nice arra, but would ya please KILL THAT DEER!?!?
just kiddin. i know it a target.
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The man,that turned me on to 2 fletch,Gordy Mickens,says he has used 4" fletch with good results.That is with broadheads.I have used em with broadheads as well,and got good flight,but not at large game like Elk.Gordy and Jim,use Right wing feathers and dont put alot of hellical to em.More of just an Offset really.
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These guys dont shoot primitive,but i dont see,that it would make a difference.Here it is,in Jims own words.
http://leatherwall.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm?threadid=161439&category=88#1963730
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OK Marius. This is #2. A bit more helical and on sourwood instead of cane. I haven't had a chance to test it yet but will tomorrow afternoon. Also, if the pics show up well enough, is a field point idea Kenneth(Little John) had. It is pieces of blade material that is pre cut to a certain shape(I'll post pics of these and the ones he made for cane), inserted in a slot like trade point and glued in. There is an indented area just behind the point for a wrap. I used art. sinew and super glue. I used TBIII to set the point but didn't let it cure long enough before I messed with it(wife told me so! ::) ) so I re-glued with super glue. Pat
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Sorry for the poor quality of pics. Its late and these are taken inside. I'll try to get better pics of the points themselves and installed on the arrows tomorrow .
Recurve, you didn't see the one out at the end of the yard near the bright green bush. This pic was taken from my front porch where I practice my tree stand shooting. I have another deer set up to the right at about 3oclock(out of sight) at 20 yards and through some bushes. Pat
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traxx, thanks for the link. that was very interesting reading. it's great to see that somebody tried a similar setup successfully. (and the guy has a 25" draw, just like me ;D i feel better now)
pat, your number two is beautiful. there's something about those helicals, especially when viewed from the side. i remember the points you're talking about. great idea. i'll try a few, when i get the bandsaw stock from VB. but of course the main purpose of that stock is to make tradepoints for my two-fletched babies.
now back to your arrows, i'm curios to see how yours perform in comparison between number one and number two, especially at longer distances. mine did well on short distances, but dropped noticeably compared to my three-fletched ones of the same weight. that tells me: too much drag caused by either feathers being too big or too much helical. your test might answer that question ;D
oh, forgot to ask: how tall are your feathers? (you said they're about 5.5" to 6" long, right?) mine are 5.5" long and 5/8" (16mm) tall.
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#1 is 3/4" and #2 is 7/8" tall. I'll test fly them this evening. Pat
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Traxx , Gordy Mickens from the Bitterroot valley? I used to hunt those mountains in my youth, before all the people moved into that country.. and there was a bowyer there by that name .. just wondering. Hawk
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pat, since yours aren't as tall as mine, it must have been too much helical. can't wait for your test results. even though it's somewhat predictable that #2 will be slower than #1, i just wonder how much it drops in comparison. are the two arrows similar in weight?
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Yup,
Same Gordy Mickens from Montana
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Pat, that last one looks like those couple I made a few years ago. Remember the ones I was shooting at Cedar Rock? They worked really well and I've been meaning to make some more-I wound up sacrificing both of them to the treetop squirrel gods. ;D. I used the "off side" of primary wing feathers and laid the helical to them since they were so low profile.
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Steve I remember those arrows. I am impressed how well these fly. I need to tweak them a bit but they fly well. Yea, them skirl gods have got plenty of mine too. ;D
Marius, I did the test today shooting only #1 and #2 but only about 4 or 5 shots of each. At 15 yards they both shot where I looked. ;D
#1, slightly offset 2 fletch with 5 1/2"x3/4" feathers, 630gr sourwood shaft(total arrow weight), 29" long with 125gr field point.
#2, helical 2 fletch(about 90deg) with 5 1/2"x7/8" feathers, 599gr, sourwood shaft(total arrow weight), 29" long with 128gr "Little John" point.
Bow, 60" osage static recurve, 56#@26"
Number 1 seemed to shoot faster(visual only) and both made about the same amount of noise. I wonder if parabolic or banana cut fletch would be quieter but still preform as well as a 2 fletch. Pat
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thanks pat.
i guess the banana cut would be quiet, but so would be yours if you cut them flatter. i noticed you didn't wrap yours thru the feather (just front and back) right? i wonder if that contributes to the noise. or did you glue them down?
i sanded my shafts down last night (i had lacquered them after the wrapping for protection thereof), so i had to remove the wrinkles. i guess artificial sinew doesn't need extra protection, so i'm going to lacquer them before the fletching this time. i'm still debating if i should shorten the feathers, cut them flatter yet (under 3/8") and/or reduce the helical.
all arrows in the test were 31" long, had 100gr. field points and weighed 490 to 500gr.:
4 each POC, 3-fletch straight 4.5" x 5/8"
12 each Northern Pine, 2 fletch helical 5.5" x 5/8"
bow was the signature bow, 52#@25"
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Marius, I just bound the forward and rear of the feathers, no glue. Wrapping the full length might reduce noise.
I'll play around some more today and see what I come up with. I have some store bought 5" shield cut feathers I may try for 2 fletch. I may take my extra feather burner ribbon and try a new style cut also...maybe a banana cut. Pat
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here's my next generation (or maybe generations).
one set is 5.5" x 3/8" while the other is 4.5" x 5/8". both sets have about 90 degrees helical.
flightwise, i can't tell a difference between the two on the short distance in my back yard, but compared to the previous version, the point of impact is 2"-3" higher (so i guess they're a little faster).
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fine lookin sticks brother, should meke some meat with them ... Hawk a/ho
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Well, look at you...stealing my idea about banana cut 2 fletch. ::) Both sets look very nice. Do the 2nd set sing with those sharp tails? Pat
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thanks hawkbow. that's what this experiment is all about. find the right 2-fletch style for broadheads is the next step (don't have my tradepoints yet ;D )
pat, they are not banana cuts (as you can see in the last picture) it's the helical that gives you that impression. not that i would hesitate to steal your ideas >:D i was trying to show you what yours would look like if you ever made them ;D and no, they are still absolutely silent.
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Those look good Marius, I espcially like the second ones. I like noisy arrows for target shooting myself, I love to hear an arrow "sing", as Pat said. Of course, not what you want for hunting, but those foamy deer usually aren't too bad to jump the string. :)
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Marius, I guess I should have looked before I lept. I will try to get some more arrows made this weekend. I have sourwood shoots and a few canes ready to go. Pat
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Marius, Here are a few more... #1 and #2 are the same as before. #3 is cane arrow with helical(about 45deg) 2 fletch and banana cut feathers tied front and rear, 125gr field point, 551gr total weight and flies like a dart with no noticeable noise. ;D
#4 is spiral fletch flu flu tied front and back with nutter point on a German red twig dogwood, total weight is 604gr. This arrows flies well for a flu flu.
Notice the total air resistance around the whole shaft on the spiral wrap. This is why these are more effective as flu flus (restricts distance) then if fletched with 6 full width feathers. Pat
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cool stuff! in your second picture, i like the two in the center best. how did the bloodtwig work for you? was it easy enough to straighten?
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Marius, Here is another cane arrow I made last night with feathers I got from Hawk. I haven't shot it yet but did put a bit more helical in this one. I'll test it here in a bit and let you know.
Also is a better shot of Kenneth's cane target point. Pat
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After shooting all of the arrows together(no, not at once) from the same bow(60"t/t, osage with slightly recurved static tips, 56#@26") the canes seem to recover quicker and fly better with the 2 fletch. The banana cut is definitely quieter and the one with the most helical(less than 180deg) shoots the best. This may change with a different bow and arrow material.
Cane is naturally quicker to recover anyway so I guess that has a dramatic effect on the way they fly.
Here are the arrow weights. All points, whether they be store bought field points or home made(Kenneth's) are 125gr to 130gr.
arrow #1, sourwood, 630 gr, slight helical 2 fletch with shield cut, with field point
arrow #2, sourwood, 599gr, 180deg helical 2 fletch with shield cut, with Kenneth's trade target point
arrow #3, hill cane, 551gr, about 45deg helical 2 fletch, with banana cut, .with field point
arrow #4(Mikes fletching), switch cane,604gr, not quite 180deg helical 2 fletch banana cut, with field point
arrow #5, hill cane, 547gr, flat Cherokee two fletch(tail feathers), with Kenneth's cane target point
This is not in order of best flight but as I had them labeled before. So far the switch cane arrow I made last night with Mikes feathers and banana cut flies the best.
The 2 fletch flies very well when the proper set up is achieved for my shooting style. I plan to make my hunting arrows this year with a 2 fletch...probably banana cut and a good helical added. I will do another test later with hunting points(stone, trade and commercial) and see what flies the best. That is what I will hunt with. Pat
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impressive data collection, pat. i'm really glad the two fletch works so well for you. i haven't tried cane yet. all my tests were done on store-bought, weight-matched shafts. today, i made six arrows with 4" banana cut feathers, 3 white and three natural barred from wild turkeys (top of the feather, which was left from fletchings i had cut previously). all with about 45 degrees helical. funnily enough they are noisier than my other arrows. i assume it's because the feathers are so soft, since the wild turkey feathers were louder than the store-bought white ones. they sounded like flu flus, but not as loud. and thanks to murphy's law, my digital camera died (can't charge it anymore, or at least it won't hold the charge)
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More helical always gives me more noise. And kills my distance. But it makes leaves, stumps, and dandelions within ten yards quiver in fear >:D!
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Kegan, These 2 fletch banana cut feathers with the most helical are the quietest. ??? With regular fletching(3) I always went with high profile shield cuts and with a slight offset only, no helical. With my self bows they always recovered best with broadheads, were faster and quieter than ones with helical.
Pat
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Pat and DustyBaer, you guys are awesome. I've been out for hours trying to get some of last fall's ocean spray shoots come out of my bow straight - let alone perdy em up and try different techniques like you two. I'm envious. And our cats are nervous - every arrow coming out of my bow has been not inches, but feet, sometimes yards, from my targets. You make this look easy.... :) Beautiful slivers you got there!
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Mike, A supposed old Indian saying is..."any wood make a good bow, heap big work to make arrows" or something like that. Making good arrows is the most difficult part of archery. There is a lot more than meets the eye. You have to consider spine and which side should go against the bow, the length of the arrow, how well everything lines up(not necessarily straight) and arrow weight. Also if your shoots are not mature enough, they tend to be flimsy. Another old saying is..."just because its simple doesn't mean its easy"! ;)
Keep at it and you will succeed. Hanging around with primitive arrow makers helps also. Ocean spray make very good, heavy arrows. At least you have good materials to work with. 8) Pat
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Marius, I forgot to answer your question about the bloodtwig shoots. I'm having a bit of trouble getting them to stay straight. The one I used for the flu flu work fine but with some of the others I'll straighten them and place them on a flat surface to cool and when they are cool they have a long bend to them. I'll will keep playing with them and I know they will make good arrows. The bloodtwig is nice and heavy and tough as nails. ;D Pat
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Mike, A supposed old Indian saying is..."any wood make a good bow, heap big work to make arrows" or something like that. Making good arrows is the most difficult part of archery. There is a lot more than meets the eye. You have to consider spine and which side should go against the bow, the length of the arrow, how well everything lines up(not necessarily straight) and arrow weight. Also if your shoots are not mature enough, they tend to be flimsy. Another old saying is..."just because its simple doesn't mean its easy"! ;)
Keep at it and you will succeed. Hanging around with primitive arrow makers helps also. Ocean spray make very good, heavy arrows. At least you have good materials to work with. 8) Pat
Thanks Pat!!
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pat, i'm sorry they don't work out that well. i haven't tried to straighten them yet. i had a set of straightened ones (sent a few to cowboy, wonder how those worked out).
have you experimented with grooving yet? maybe these would be good candidates for it. allegedly, they stay straight if they were grooved before the heat-bending, because of the increased surface that's tempered.
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Dustybaer,
Is there a name for that style of quiver. I fancy making one for myself.
How does the flap to cover the fletchings work?
Know of any good places to find information on this quiver type?
Mark in England
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here's a set i made for a friend. he's trading his kilt for a dozen arrows. i'm a thief. ;D
mark, sorry about the late reply. i always thought of it as a plains style but it has elements of the oetzi quiver. flap works great, it (the flap) is the reason why the stiffener is on the inside of the quiver. don't know of any places other than my fantasy/imagination ;D i just made it as long as the arrows, and wide enough to take the quantity of arrows i wanted. it is made from one rectangular piece of deer skin, stitched together at the bottom and the rear end. cut to rectangular wholes into the top edge to put the strap thru. strap wraps around the stiffener, that's it. oh yeah, the flap is basically a perpendicular cut thru half the quiver and laced to the stiffener.
here are some more pictures:
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here's a set i made for a very special friends birthday. it's a weight and spine matched set of sitka spruce (there's actually eight of them), spined at 41-42# and final weight 360gr - 370gr, 29" long and tipped with 70gr. tophats. 4" hand dyed (didn't get the red to match the crest), handcut fletching, very little offset (basically the width of the selfnock), no helical. she shoots them from a 55#, recurved osage selfbow. (yes, she shoots heavier bows than me, shut up pat ;D)
she had shown me the family crest one day and from the moment i saw it, i knew i had to make a set of arrows to match the crest. so here you go: two fletch, medieval style.
by the way, the flight is awesome. perfectly straight trajectory out to about 35 yards. and they are FAST. didn't have an opportunity to shoot them thru a chronograph, but just seeing them fly was awessome. i think she liked them ;D
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Very nice, Marius!
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Those are really good looking arrows Marius! They look so good she may be afraid to use them for fear of breaking or losing one. ;)
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Nice arrows Marius,David had some 2 fletch at the Cabin this passed weekend and I was impressed with the way they fly,His were a little noisy but we think it is because he use secondary feathers not primary.Not sure ,but they fly great. :) Need to give them a try,save on feathers. ;) :)
Pappy
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Nice arrows Marius. Not bad for a wussy Transylvanian. ;D You mean that girl shoots a stronger bow than you! :o ;D
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thanks guys. you know, i wouldn't invest that much work into my own arrows, but in this case it was worth it. i think they came out ok and i liked the way they resembled the 4 colors in the crest. the feathers gave me tho most trouble. after dying and drying them i had problems cutting them into shape, so they turned out a little fuzzy at the edges.
greg, that's exactly what she said. ;D but i was able to talk her into shooting them. even broke one tip off, but the shaft was still long enough, so i just put another tip on it and the set is still complete. besides, she's an excellent shot, so i don't fear to much for the arrows ;D
pappy, i think it's more the shape you cut them into than the type of feather. i'll test some secondaries and let you know.
pat, i knew you couldn't resist. yes in deed and she shoots much better than me. wins the selfbow category allmost every time.
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;D >:D Those are nice arrows, Marius. I'm sure she is proud of them. 8) Maybe it time for a few arrows on her family crest. ;) Pat
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thanks pat. she actually loves them. you know, you could tell her about the arrows on the crest yourself. she's trying to get registered on the board. her handle will be doreen.
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here i am!
hello evybody! :) :)
itīs important for me to let you know,i am more than lucky with these arrows!
first of all,i know how much work it is to build them
and than,dusty always said during he buildt them,if they donīt fly you can hang them on the wall ,because i said they are too good locking to shoot them!!
but i love them watching them flying,i feel like they never miss the kill!!
Doreen
p.s. sorry about my english,i am just learning it and thats the best way to do it here!!
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Welcome Doreen! Those arrows Marius made are too pretty not to shoot. It would be a shame to let them just hang on the wall. Do you make bows? Pat