Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: flecha on April 08, 2008, 02:14:22 pm
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Two dart "generic" styled points. Both Glass Buttes Obsidian. Both all "abo" tools. I was able to get them nice and thin. I was afraid I'd end up with a bending fracture and four little arrow heads.
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Great looking points. Now flute that mahogany one. It won't break- Eddie and Chris promise that it won't. ;D
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Yeah sure it won't break... How many times have I told myself that line??? ;D Naw, I think it is to flat or thin to flute. I've not ever had much luck fluting. I need to learn that.
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Really nice!! ;) Buck
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Very nice. I almost bought me some mahogany from a guy at OJAM, but never made it back to his booth. Pretty stuff.
Mike
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And with all abo tools - I'm impressed :). Keep showing your stuff, I'm likin it!
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Aww, Come on Fletcha? ???, Hit it, flute it, just hit it a little ;), It won't break,,trust me. >:D
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Very nice points brother.. I would leave the fluting to Cowboy or watcher... better than having a broken point.. ;) Hawk a/ho
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Those are some great looking dart points! 8) Are you gonna launch em with an atlatl and try to get some game with em? Joe H
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Thanks for the compliments. It's nice to have someone to share with.
Yeah, the fluting thing isn't for me. Sounds like I should send it off to someone and have them do it. We could have a pass- along point ;D
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Send it to me, I don't mind smackin' it :o
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A community stone, or would it be stones? :-X ;D ;D
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A community stone, or would it be stones? :-X ;D ;D
In this case Paul it would eventually end up as community debutage! ;D
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For those of you who are into fluting, how would a guy go about it?
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Grind on the base at an angle. Then chip an isolated platform in the center. Then you can either,if you feel lucky ;D Hit it downward with a bopper or do as It like I do. Take an Ishi stick and push down on the nipple while supporting it between your knees with a leather pad against the side you are fluting. Make sense?
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So, mullet your making Dalton points then?
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I can.
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Fluting is on the back burner for me. I have made a coupla clovis looking points with percussion but haven't gotten serious about it. Just like Mullet said - you want a good smooth taper from each edge to the median ridge (base to tip) then set up your platform on the base and smack it. Like I said on another post - results will vary ;).
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I did one unintentionally on one side, does that count? It was kind of wasted effort since the point was still about 3/8 of an inch thick. :'(
They look really sweet when done right.
Mike
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I really don't know Mike - they may need to be in the neighborhood of 3/8" to flute :-\? I'll git on it one day - first I gotta make some good huntin arras and take game with em, then I'll experiment some :).
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Mike, a lot of fluted points were pretty thick-that's part of why they fluted them. They could get the base thin enough to haft while still keeping enough beef in the body of the point to puncture big, mean critters. Everybody nowadays seems to want to make soda-cracker thin display points, but thinner isn't always better-if you can haft it in a shaft, and have enough thinness on the edges to get it sharp, thicker just means stronger when it hits that scapula or spine.
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Just what I was thinking too! I see a lot of points these days made paper thin but think they would not be very practical if used for hunting or fighting in pre historic times.
David T
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An old plumber friend of mine who has passed away from Dallas perfected the art of reproducing Clovis and Folsom points. He went to universities in the US and Europe demonstrating his findings. Those points were not thick, but perfectly shaped thru the cross section and end to end. His name was J. B. Solberger and he died from silicon poisining. He developed a jig called the Solberger Jig that works very well to flute with. I have one and haven't used it for years. Here is my take: Make the best shaped point you can and when it breaks you can cry. Any heavy scars crossing the stone will divert the flute off to the center or will cause the flute to end in a step fracture. The preparation of the nipple is paramount to successful travel of the flute. Taking some material off the sides of the nipple will thin the sides of the nipple and direct the flake down the center of the point. To do this is much like starting a side nock with the idea that a few small well directed flakes will set up the nipple. Support of the stone when striking the nipple is the secret once all the above preparations have taken place. You can get the support you need by sticking the point straight down in damp sod. The problem there is having room to strike the nipple. A small punch takes care of that problem. It doesn't take a lot of force to force this flake off. Takes a lot of trial and error, but worth it when you finally get one that works. Watcher
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Watcher, I've always been a fan of in-direct percussion when it comes to fluting are stubborn stacks.
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I'm doing good then cause all mine are thick LOL. Very nice points bro. one day when i grow up I'll be able to make points like that.
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beautiful! love the shape of that mahogany point...
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very nice. :)