Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: GlisGlis on April 05, 2019, 01:47:45 am
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I think it could be a good idea to have a single thread (maybe set as sticky on top of the page) where we collect movies, books, series etc about our common primitive interests.
I'm always in search of new sources and I'd greatly appreciate your advice
I start with a small list and if you find it useful I'll add more. Hope many will chime in and the list will get longer and longer :OK
MOVIES
- Quest for fire -1982 - JJAnnaud
The story is set in Paleolithic Europe (80,000 years ago), with its plot surrounding the struggle for control of fire by early humans.
- Atanarjuat, the Fast Runner (2004)
About inuit life. great story, excellent tools and living tecniques reproduction. great movie!
- Dersu Uzala - 1975 -Akira Kurosawa
excellent movie set in Siberia territories. A must see
- Jeremiah Johnson - 1972 - Sydney Pollack
Robert Redford starring the role of a mountain man living in the Rockyes as trapper. A must see
- Ofelas. The story is set in 10th-century Lapland. great reconstructions and story
- The Tracker - 2002 Rolf de Heer.It's 1922; somewhere in Australia. When a Native Australian man is accused of murdering a white woman, three white men are given the mission of.. Very good movie
- the revenant -2015 -A frontiersman on a fur trading expedition in the 1820s fights for survival after being mauled by a bear and left for dead by members of his own hunting team.
DOCUMENTARY
- Happy People: A Year in the Taiga
BOOKS
-reindeer moon - Elizabeth Marshall Thomas -
-on project gutemberg (www.gutenberg.org) there is a wealth of books free of copyright and free to download.
tons of essays, novels and handbooks about everything. A GOLD MINE !
Just a small glimpse of what you can find :
-Hunting with the Bow & Arrow by Saxton T. Pope
-Shelters, Shacks and Shanties by Daniel Carter Beard
-Early London: Prehistoric, Roman, Saxon and Norman by Walter Besant
-Men of the Old Stone Age: Their Environment, Life and Art by Henry Fairfield Osborn
-Tracks and Tracking by Josef Brunner
-Deadfalls and Snares by A. R. Harding
-Langstroth on the Hive and the Honey-Bee: A Bee Keeper's Manual by L. L. Langstroth
-The Call of the Wild by Jack London
-Fifty Years a Hunter and Trapper by E. N. Woodcock
ONLINE RESOURCES
- youtube
-tuktu series. A set of documentarys on inuit life. very accurate and interesting
-Agafia. documentarys on a women living offgrid in siberia
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There are a couple very good survival manuals put out by the military, as well. I haven't seen the "Revanant", but I think it is based on the true saga of Hugh Glass. There is a very good epic by John G. Niehardt titled "The Cycle of the West" that has chronicle "the Song of Hugh Glass".
Hawkdancer
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For quite a few years I subscribed to "Bulletin of Primitive Technology", a fine periodical that covered numerous 'abo-skill's, atl-atls, rabbit sticks, pottery, flint knapping, bow making, arrow making, foods, snares, deadfalls etc. Articles written by dedicated amateur and professional paleo enthusiasts. Highly recommended.
Here's a link, if I can get it to work.
www.btprimitives.com/bpt-publications#!
hmm, well some of the techie types can figure it out. :-)
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Here Lies Hugh Glass is a great book on what we know about the man, as well as what was going on politically with the natives, the long hunters, and how they were depicted.
Also, Townsends on YouTube. He's branching out from just food to other parts of primitive living.
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I just watched "Revenant" the other day. I wasn't really impressed with the movie. I think I counted about ten times when he would have died of hypothermia. I think they exaggerated a bit.
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theres also the fiction book trilogy "My Side of the Mountain" by Jean Craighead George. Not exactly real life but the books are a VERY good read
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I read My side of the Mountain when I was in middle school close to fifty years ago. I don't remember the whole story but I do remember liking it.
I'm not sure it's what your looking for, but one of my all time favorite books is "Centennial". I couldn't put it down.
My Aunt also gave me one. I can't remember the exact title. I think it was something like "Land Barons " it was about a very small group of settlers in the Appalachian mountains.
For a fun read. "Where the Red Firn Grows"
Bjrogg
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... but one of my all time favorite books is "Centennial". I couldn't put it down.
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MOVIES
- Der Mann aus dem Eis (2017) - fictional story of Ötzi the iceman. the oztal alps mummy found in 1991
SERIES
- Centennial (Colorado) TV Mini-Series (1978–1979) The economic and cultural growth of Colorado spanning two centuries from the mid 1700s to the late 1970s. very good
- into the west 2005. other west saga. very good
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WAIT WE FORGOT ONE.
"The Traditional Bowyers Bible" ;D ;)
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just watched "Ten Canoes" (2006)
Australia northern territories. An indigenous tell an ancient story while a second set of events it's actually occurring.
Great stories, almost a documentary on primitive life and techniques. Atl atl use (AT)
Liked it alot.
if you watch it please pay attentions at spear points
Some of them could be knapped points while other are more likely wood. not sure
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Just read "Frightfuls Mountain" and "The Far Side of the Mountain" by Jean craighead george
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Sci-Fi author Kim Stanley Robinson penned a book called "Shaman" that is an epic story about paleolithic people in Europe. It is SO good.
One thing to remember: if you don't have the time to read, audiobooks are a great solution, since you can listen while commuting, shooting, tillering, etc. Audiobook apps have come a long way.
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Sci-Fi author Kim Stanley Robinson penned a book called "Shaman" that is an epic story about paleolithic people in Europe. It is SO good.
Just finished reading "Shaman".
Indeed a good one. Exactly the kind of suggestion I expected when I created this thread. :OK
I loved the fact that it looks authentic or realistic, a solid plot and special effects kept to minimum
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alone in the wilderness (the movie)
the story of Dick Proenneke who, in the late 1960s, built his own cabin in the wilderness at the base of the Aleutian Peninsula, in what is now Lake Clark National Park
very good scenes of cabin building. that man was indeed skilled
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Dick is one of my heroes. While we were wasting our youth getting stoned and talking about getting back to the land he did it.
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Jean Awl's series, Clan Of The Cave Bear(European) and Richard and Kathleen Gear's Earth Child series(North America) are great reads. Even though they are fiction they are very well researched. I would suggest reading the Jean Awl series in order as it follows the journey from beginning to end. The Gear's books can be read in almost any order although they do follow man from the time they came into North America until DeSoto came into Florida.
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I just watched "Revenant" the other day. I wasn't really impressed with the movie. I think I counted about ten times when he would have died of hypothermia. I think they exaggerated a bit.
Saw it in the theatre with a fellow historical re-enactor. We about got thrown out. At one point we started joking..."Oh no! Cold water! My nemesis! How can I help myself, I must fall in it! I cannot help myself, I have a rare condition...falling-in-water-osis!"
We still joke that the director banned water bottles because DeCaprio kept trying to squeeze through the neck and was getting stuck.
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The 6 books of the "Ayla" Saga from Jean Marie Auel.
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The movie, Revenant is a made up fictional story that bares no resemblance to what really happened.
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The Bounty trilogy has a lot of island survival in it, and at sea in a life boat type as well. Robinson Crusoe is one of my all time favorites, though it's a fantasy, it's a very good and believable one, most fun when read in the original old style english.
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If you look at the photo at the head of this article, you will see the lake that now covers the convergence of three creeks where Hugh Glass was mauled. If you look VERY carefully, you will see the mountains where it did NOT take place, LOL!
https://www.kfyrtv.com/home/headlines/Leonardo-Film-Makes-Lemmon-SD-Famous-318306011.html
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I wish I could remember the title... But the basic story was a kid was in a commuter plane over the Alaska or Canada bush. The plane crashed. Three survived, the pilot, the kid, and an old native who spoke no english. The pilot didnt live long, he went over a water fall in the aircraft riding it on top like a bull, certain of his fate, he wanted to go out like the bull rider he always wanted to be.
The kid was shown how to live off the land by the old native. They trapped beaver in frozen ponds by making a hole in the ice, and whacked the beavers on the head when they came for air. They brain tanned the skins for clothing and eventually a drum was also made. It was so cold you could hear trees exploding from freezing. The air was so cold, you couldn't rub snow in your hands cause if was needle like, but when the weather warmed, they did it some to restore blood flow ( or something of the sort ). The imagery of the northern lights and the scenery was superb in this book. I wish I could recall the name.
A other story I cant recall the title of was a kid and his mountain man dad. They were in colonial days. The dad couldn't function in society and raised his kid off the land. They were nomadic. The dad had all kinds of spots across thousands of miles memorized of good places to trap and camp. Sometimes in a downpour they would huddle in a hollowed out tree that the dad knew was there. They would bear hunt in the dead of winter, looking for the steam of the bears breath as it hibernate. On especially cold winter the dad left his boy with a girl they had come across, boy went hunting, as an excuse to leave the family, as he couldn't stand the social interaction, and the burden he placed on an already hungry family, but he killed a bear. His thoughts were that bear would feed him for the winter by himself, but realised he could pay his debt to the family who cared for him with the meat so he brought it to them, rather than stay on his own in the woods, tracking down his father.
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I just read "The Road." Its post apocalyptic. its a book for the collage bound which is a book that will give you a diffrent view of the world. it was amazing but not primitive.
There's also the island of the blue dolphins.
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I wish I could remember the title... But the basic story was a kid was in a commuter plane over the Alaska or Canada bush. The plane crashed. Three survived, the pilot, the kid, and an old native who spoke no english. The pilot didnt live long, he went over a water fall in the aircraft riding it on top like a bull, certain of his fate, he wanted to go out like the bull rider he always wanted to be.
remembered me the book of G.Paulsen "Hatchet"
I was intrigued and tried to find online what book you were talking about. It turns out there are many many books and movies very similar on the subject
on the catastrophe/survival series I would include Lord of the Flies - William Golding
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Richard and Kathleen Gear's Earth Child series(North America) are great reads.
I found H. William and Kathleen Gear's "People of..." series. Apparently about Cahokian civilization. I'm stoked to start reading them as soon as I'm done with my current book.
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I know most didn't like the Revenant but I watched it as fiction and thought it was a good movie. If you google the making of the movie the conditions were pretty bad and many extra's quit. If I remember right someone that posts on here made all the bows and arrows that was used in the movie.
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As someone pointed out in another thread the Ray Mayers documentaries cover alot of primitive skills aspects
Some could be found on youtube
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another fine book:
"The gathering night" by Margaret Elphinstone
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Sort of burned out on the Gear's series after about 5 of them. I found the prologues very interesting, but the story lines all too similar to each other. Didn't watch the Revenant, but found the Ranger Handbook and the Air Force Survival Manual most interesting. The "Earth's Children" by Jean Auel are very good and well researched. Often wonder if Ayla ever reunites with her son, Durc!
Hawkdancer
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Jerry, book #7 was written but after Jean Auel died by another author. I tried to get it from the library but even they couldn't get it. Apparently it is in court for copyright infringement. I'd also like to know what happened after they reached France and what happened to Durk.
I liked the all of the Gear's "People of..." series and have read a few of them 2 or 3 times.
I just started "Shaman" by Kim Stanley Robinson yesterday and so far I like it. Like in Jean Auel's Earth Child series I find the interaction between modern man and Neanderthal interesting and intriguing.
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may be the follow link helps http://yumpu-download.tiny-tools.com/pages.php?id=56274556
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Just discovered a very talented illustrator that make great paintings and sketches on hunting, fishing, nature and primitive life :OK
search for "Dan Burr illustration"
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oh well let me suggest a good, hilarious and primitive read.
The evolution man: Or, How I Ate My Father - Roy Lewis 1960
... and since it's almost 3 weeks we are confined at home for covid19 :fp please flex your brains and suggest some more good books and movies
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let me also suggest you to check the art of other three great nature, prehistoric and scientific illustrators
Zdeněk Burian, Charles R. Knight and velizar simeonovski
they can really make you travel through time and live other lifes
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Red 3 400pg books in 3 days. I started reading harry potter in kindergarden. I have always been super socially awkward. never had a lot of friends and still dont. books were always my way of being normal.
Lord of the Flies
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Social awkwardness fades as you age. Adults tend to be less judgmental and you end up with plenty of friends that may not have been when you were a teenager. I have a few serious nerdball friends, like Pauly, Clint, Greg, Mikey, Mike, Bill, Kyle and Ryan. None of those dorks would have been cool enough for me 30 years ago :)
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Pearl, thanks for that post, there's a lot of truth to that. I was the epitome of a nerd or geek back in school.
As I get older, I just don't care as much what other people think. I do what I want.
Hang in there Russ, you've got a lot of years ahead of you. The more people you meet with similar interests, the more true friends you'll find.
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that does make me feel better. I dont care as much about what people think but i find that the more you don't care about someones opinions the more upset they become. :-\ so i try to listen to another thing i read "give men your ear, not your mind. once you share your mind, it is no longer your own." :)
you guys are pretty cool. thanks.
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As you age you appreciate a persons talents, honesty and kindness. Not so much the shoes they wear, their free throw percentage or what version iPhone they have in their face.
Sorry to have hi-jacked the thread guys. It was a good time to educate Russel the wrestling muscle.
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I watch this about once a year, Cesars Bark Canoe. It and a lot of documentaries can be found on the NFB web page.
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I used to have Caesars Bark Canoe on my PVR, watched it regularly. Still not sure how many kids you can get in a canoe :D
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Cesars Bark Canoe. It and a lot of documentaries can be found on the NFB web page
Beautiful indeed. there is some magic in watching skilled artisans do their works
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This Tuktu series is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEyQG2cv298
There are 13 of them
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Not exactly primitive but very well known, doubtlessly for a reason; Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. You get an insight into the thoughts and worries of a Roman emperor and above else a man who lived 1900 years ago, but dealt with the same basic problems inherent to human nature as we do today.
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You cannot miss "cave of forgotten dreams" a 2013 documentary by Werner Herzog on chauvet cave (FR) where there are paintings dated 30k years
and if you read the previously mentioned "Shaman" you'll notice the matchings
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I was searching method to natural dye cattail and stumbled on a very informative free book on project gutemberg site.
As I see often post on natural dyes I think it's of common interest.
you can read online or download a version more suitable for ereaders.
title is: A book on vegetable dyes
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/50079
I paste the working link as this is a no profit organisation and I'm not advertising or such
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just saw El abrazo de la serpiente (embrace of the serpent) movie
An adventure based on two journeys made by a shaman in the amazonian jungle.
A pretext to show the drama of disappearing indigenous population
Pretty intense at times, all shot in black and white
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"nunamuit" and "the land of feast and famine" by helge ingested are both good books about northern people in Canada and Alaska...
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At my local library I found put on display "el primer heroi" (the first hero) by Marti Gironell
Allegedly a novel set in prehistoric times.
Reading the enthusiastic reviews I had pretty high expectations
He is considered a master of the popular historical novel, and his novels have brought renewed interest and fame to forgotten yet fascinating figures of Southern Europe’s history.
It was an almost total delusion.
I did not like it at all and stopped reading about halfway through the book.
it's a cauldron of clichès and worst of all there are depicted living styles, tools, techniques taken from all over the world in different times and blended toghether in an inconsistent scenario.
The archery parts are terrifying. Same for the nature and fauna description.
In my opinion not worth the reading time
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"the inheritors" by William Golding
the story of one of the first encounters between neanderthal and sapiens
It may not be historically correct but it's a very good read in my opinion!
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Oh, good, we've revived this thread!
Any Louis L'Amour fans here? His books frequently deal with primitive survival in fairly realistic ways, and many of his characters know how to make and use primitive bows, probably many more than real white people did in the old west.
"Last of the Breed" is a standout. It's sort of a modern western that takes place in the 1980s, about a Lakota air force pilot who is captured by the Russians, escapes into Siberia, and has to revert to the old ways of his youth to survive and try to escape. Not L'Amour's best writing, in my opinion (that would be "Sacket's Land" or "The Sacket Brand", both of which also have a lot of fun survival content), but the premise of the story is so great that it's a great read. And it has possibly the most intense, cliff-hanger ending of any book I've ever read.
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another fine book:
"The gathering night" by Margaret Elphinstone
Followed Brians suggestion
Indeed good reading
credible picture of mesolithic events :OK
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Went through "1883" series.
it's about a family doing the Oregon trail
it depicts well how strong, skilled, determined and lucky you had to be to do such a difficult journey
there are some credible archery and native americans sequences
The story is played in 10 episods but after the success of the series there are rumors about new episodes coming in 2023
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just read there is a series called "into the wild frontier"
Each episode follows a different real-life historical figure. The show looks at the stories of different people such as Daniel Boone, Lewis and Clark, Jim Beckwourth ,and Kit Carson.
I had a view at some trailers on youtube and despite they all wear brand new shining clothes it seems a good series.
Did anyone see it?
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Just stumbled across this and wanted to add to the list
Alan W Echert books. He has many other books on the Shawnee and Iroquois Indians but my two favorite are these
The Frontiersman. Mostly about Simon Kenton
Wilderness Empire follows Sir William Johnson who was the chief Indian agent for the British and his dealings with the Iroquois