Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: bjrogg on May 06, 2019, 05:49:05 am
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I really like this rivercane. It straightens nice and stays straight. I wanted to make some shorter arrows for my 48" bendy "No Kiddin".
Shafts are 26" and pretty stiff. I used a six inch pole barn spike that I cut at about four inches maybe. I cut them to 12 to 13 grams. I don't have a grain scale but I think that's somewhere around 170- 185 grains. I shot them bareshafted till I got point weight right. Then I glued point in with gorilla super glue. Shafts are wrapped with deer sinew front and back. Bjrogg markings and wild turkey fletch. 3 1/2" fletch cut by hand pretty short. They fly nice but some do make a bit of noise. I think it's the nodes. I'm hesitant to file them to much. The last three I filed nodes down a little more and they are quite.
Here's a look
Bjrogg
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Real nice! Thanks for the node filing info! I have to work down some cane, and will try duplex nail points. Got to get some of that Gorilla super glue, too.
Hawkdancer
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Jerry I really don't know what you can get away with filling nodes. I try to do the minimum amount I can.
Bjrogg
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Nice looking arras BJ
DBar
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Great job! they look deadly!
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Thanks Bill but yours are the best. Just love em.
Deerhunter21 there supposed to be target arrows. Sure hope there not deadly.lol. Everyone be careful downrange.lol. I think I know what your saying though. Thanks
Bjrogg
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yea, you know what I meant. ;D saying an arrow, no matter how sharp couldn't hurt or kill, is like saying a 22lr couldn't kill. we just have to be careful! :OK :NN
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beautiful arrows
I always rasp the nodes as flat to the shaft as I can on river cane shafts and have never had a problem with them breaking.
I have some I will take a pic of then do a bend test on a couple just to see if they break at the node or in between.
I'm betting they kink and break between the nodes.
Have to wait until this evening unless the rain moves in around noon like they are predicting, and rains us out.
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my help just texted and is gonna be an hour late so I did the bend test real quick.
This is just some pics of the nodes flattened and then I held them by the ends and bent them til they broke.
They all broke between the nodes.
These shafts are at the stage where I like to bare shaft test them before I do anymore work on them
I have had them break at the nodes while bareshaft testing if they hit at 45 degrees.
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2mo
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I'll be careful deerhunter21. We'll be fine. Thanks again.
Thanks 1442. That's really nice to know. Don't know why I didn't think of doing a bend and break test myself. I'll be straightening and filling my nodes from now on. I don't like the tick noise the nodes make if I don't. I prefer silent death. Unseen and unheard.
Bjrogg
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I may have asked this before but is there a lot of difference between cane and bamboo garden stakes? Could Joe Blow tell the difference between them? Stiffer? Maybe crush easier? Anything?
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I may have asked this before but is there a lot of difference between cane and bamboo garden stakes? Could Joe Blow tell the difference between them? Stiffer? Maybe crush easier? Anything?
DC I've never had bamboo so take this with a grain of salt. I seem to remember people saying it's really hard to straighten? I think maybe stiff to? I'd like to know also.
Bjrogg
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There is a sticky up on the garden stakes, I think. Cane is a bamboo, so the difference is probably quality control, and the number of stakes you have to sort through to find the straightest batch. Then the rest of the work should be the same.
Hawkdancer
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I've made many garden stake arrows and they turned out almost bullet proof but I've never even seen a piece of "cane" so I'm just curious about the difference.
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Nice set of arrows, Brian. River cane is not the same as Garden Stakes. Garden stakes is Tonkin Bamboo, a big difference in weight and strength.
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Which is heavier, stronger?
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The How To sticky is in "Hot's and Build-alongside. Right now it is at the top. I'm no expert, but I think Tonkin bamboo is the heavier, stronger species. I'm pretty sure that is what we used for fishing poles when I was a kid.
Hawkdancer
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I usually heat and compress the nodes rather that file them down. Nice arrows BJ.
Pappy
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very nice arrows
you should consider hammering that spikes and obtain some custom broadheads
for canes I usually file down the nodes after straightening but my canes are not the same type as yours
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I do like Pappy and compress the nodes. A good heating first then I use an osage block to roll and compress them on our kitchen butcher block table.
River cane has become a generic term for all cane arrow shafting when in fact it is only one of the 3 native canes in the US. Although river cane will make a good arrow it is the lesser of the 3 native canes used for arrow shafting.
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Those are nice BJ.
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Sorry haven't seen this post in awhile. Thanks Pappy and Pat. I like that idea.
GlisGlis I've done that before. I heated up with a torch and hammered flat. Then ground a point and barb. I was always thinking I'd try fishing with it. It was kinda hard on my target. I ended up putting it on a fore shaft and using it for my Atlatl
Thanks Rob I think these are still from those river canes you sent me in the supply trade.
Bjrogg
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cane is a grass... I leave my nodes proud.. why even sand them down..if spined proper they wont affect flight . I don't have to notch on a node if I wrap with sinew under notch.. never had one spilt either. gut
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another pic
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Nice job their Brogg.
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Very cool
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Nice arrows gutpile.
Thanks Bassman and selfbow Joe
Bjrogg