Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: sleek on May 08, 2019, 11:55:20 am
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With persistent misinformation. I just saw where someone posted, asking on another site, for sinew substitutes. Fiberglass was recommended on the back. Then artificial sinew was mentioned. Another suggested bamboo.
How in the heck, after all these years of learning, the existence of the TBB series and this site, are people still spreading this manuer? And for clarification, bamboo is a good back, but terrible as a back if the bow isn't designed for it. But to suggest glass mat and artificial sinew, come on, who is perpetuating this nonsense?
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Eww! ugh, why!
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Did you set them straight?
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And it comes up in here just as regularly.
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Did you set them straight?
No, just reading it exhausted me. I'm not known there really, I just kinda lurk. Why complain if I'm not gonna do anything about it, could be said. I guess I dont have the energy for an argument.
I dont get how it keeps coming up. Was just hoping there was a book we can burn or something.
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Some people have the same reaction to your opinions on short bow design and performance.
Not everyone builds a bow for top performance. They could be just trying to get one to stay in 1 piece. Gluing artificial sinew or fiberglass tape on a bow in that situation might help. It will probably make a slow, ugly bow but it might hold it together.
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There are quite a few very good Bowyers using fiberglass to back their bows, but they are not claiming to make primitive self bows! Using artificial sinew might pose some real problems getting it to stick to the glue >:D!
Hawkdancer
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I like Osage’s response.. im still new to this,and have done a couple sinew backed bows, but artificial sinew and FG tape have to be stronger than flax or brown paper bags..just not maybe quite as primitive.
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Well, maybe I just need to check my attitude then. I forget what it's like to be new I suppose and desperate to keep one together.
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Some people have the same reaction to your opinions on short bow design and performance.
Eh... they'll come around eventually :D
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Yea at first I was going to back a bow with fiber glass, then I found this place and you guys set me straight! ;D
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Yea at first I was going to back a bow with fiber glass, then I found this place and you guys set me straight! ;D
If only everybody did the same...
What made you think to put glass on the back back then?
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I looked on a website called poor folk bows and it recommended it. Back then (3 months) I was looking to be cost effective and was really just looking to build a bow that wouldn't blow up. I also saw clay hays videos and thought that fiberglass would be just like rawhide. Now I got the primitive bug and it only lets me have certain symptoms! ;)
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Nothing wrong with putting glass on the back. Its just not a natural materials bow. To each his own. Not for me and certainly wouldn't let it ruin my day.
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Yep to each their own, and remember this ant for everyone. Just like golf , bowling or tennis , I can't see the point but doesn't bother me that others do, that's what make the world go round ya know. ;) :)
Pappy
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Having never put glass on the back only, I am going from what I read. Glass overpowers the belly, and causes the belly to fail miserably in compression. I'm not being a purist or anything, I'm just not getting why a glass back is recommended when it ruins the belly and turns the bow into a slug. Certainly poor performance from a bow will demotivate a new guy who would otherwise be excited to continue. Thats my only point, why encourage people to fail.
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Sleek, if you take the glass for building a traditional fibreglass bow it will overpower the belly. I know a guy that makes his own glass and it doesn't seem to have any disadvantages. Not everything is cut and dried. Also the only glass I've seen on poor folks bows is the mesh fg sheetrock tape. But i have not checked his site out in years
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I know bow making pretty well, what it is, people offer an opinion not knowledge from something they actually did themselves.
You should see what people suggest on the facebook selfbow sites, the bottom line is they don't have a clue but are quick to give advice. I always counter with "SAY WHAT" and tell them the right way to do what they want to know.
One guy showed how he removed scales from snakeskins glued on the back of a bow, he scrubbed the skin with a wire brush. He said you couldn't tell the difference once you got the finish on but it probably wouldn't be a good idea on a thin skin like a copperhead.
After I spend $100 for snake skins I am not about to go over them with a wire brush.
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You will find as you get older you don't get worked up as much about what others do. At 70 plus I just tell folks to, go for it.
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You will find as you get older you don't get worked up as much about what others do. At 70 plus I just tell folks to, go for it.
That's always a lesson they will remember
Bjrogg
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Brian I can't tel you how much my life and attitude has changed since March 24th.
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I am 70 plus as well but hate to see folk led astray by bad advice.
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On the bright side, information on almost anything can be found on the net today. Anything. So different than when we were growing up. Just have to use some common sense to filter out the garbage.
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Having never put glass on the back only, I am going from what I read. Glass overpowers the belly, and causes the belly to fail miserably in compression. I'm not being a purist or anything, I'm just not getting why a glass back is recommended when it ruins the belly and turns the bow into a slug. Certainly poor performance from a bow will demotivate a new guy who would otherwise be excited to continue. Thats my only point, why encourage people to fail.
I have one bow with a Glass back, seems fine just have to tune it a bit; take off more material near the tips, other than that it shoots quite well. Its all Maple and the belly is holding up so far. And as far as been a purist I build bows differently, I use A polyester backing material, Why...? because its strong and there is no denying that. Just because its a wood bow for the most part I don't have to appease others and keep it totally organic.
As far as posting bows on here I'll keep it "O" naturel...…...