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Title: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Bob Barnes on May 19, 2019, 09:34:52 am
I have a friend that shoots a 35# selfbow and I want to make or buy some arrows for it.  I want something spined for the 35# draw weight, but really want wood/bamboo that weighs 10gpp or less when finished at 28".  What/where do I need to look?
thanks,
Bob
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Pat B on May 19, 2019, 11:37:31 am
Wayne at TSA, 3Rivers and other sponsors of PA.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Bob Barnes on May 19, 2019, 12:11:51 pm
thanks...and I get that... but everyone use to post the weight and spine range on wood shafts...all I see is spine any more.  I guess I will email all of them to see what's available. 
thanks again.
Bob
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: DC on May 19, 2019, 12:52:10 pm
I find it hard to get bamboo that light but I use 45-55# spine. The Tiger bamboo are very nice shafts but the ones I got run in the 450-500 grain range. If you try garden stakes every so often you'll get a stiff one that is in the 320-350 range. It still doesn't leave any room for the tip weight. Spruce and Hemlock work.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Strelets on May 20, 2019, 12:44:56 am
Tulipwood (Liriodendron tulipifera, known as "American Poplar" here in the UK) will average around about 300 grains for a 5"/16 x 28" shaft. You can expect up to 15% variation in weight for shafts of the same dimensions. Tulipwood is much stronger than Port Orford cedar, spruce or pine but is not so strong as ash. When I used POC I used to break about one arrow a week, with tulipwood I break one every couple of months or so, and with ash I break about one a year.

I use 3"/8 tulipwood arrow shafts for bows of up to 70 lb, but 5"/16 should be OK for 35 lb. I buy the shafts direct from a dowelling manufacturer, requesting "arrow grade".
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Knoll on May 20, 2019, 05:04:09 am
Like Strelets posted, tulip poplar at 5/16 will likely work. But you're gonna need to buy manufactured dowels or make your own from boards. I use the 1/2" boards avail at big orange box store, and hand plane 'em down.
POC should be doable too.
Also, Wayne at TSA would be good resource to speak with.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Pat B on May 20, 2019, 06:01:05 am
Tulip poplar makes great shafts. Very strong but lighter than POC in my experience. I have and have used 11/32" poplar shafting.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Hawkdancer on May 20, 2019, 09:43:13 am
Red osier dogwood May work also- donít have weight specs on the tip of my tongue,
but it is light and tough.  I will be bringing some to MoJam, well cured and bark on.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Bob Barnes on May 20, 2019, 04:35:25 pm
thanks guys!  I will look around for those poplar dowels or just make my own since I have a month.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: TSA on May 21, 2019, 12:09:46 pm
thanks all, for the referrals :D
hi Bob, i can help you with the correlation between spine and mass, more so with our own shafts- but the formula kinda stays the same for all the woods- just the size of the numbers vary.
i am more than happy to help you with any question or technical data i can help you with, and i certainly dont expect you to purchase shafts from us.
If you are planning to build them by hand with a "shooting board", there are lots of folk on here that do that heaps.
if you are going to build a jig- either a router based or table saw based jig- i can help some with that- i have built a few of them, but more so if you are planning on using the veritas jig- thats how we started many years ago- and i notched up a lot of hours on that jig :D
thats just if you need some assistance. i am sure you are more than capable
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Woodely on May 25, 2019, 02:10:04 pm
I find it hard to get bamboo that light but I use 45-55# spine. The Tiger bamboo are very nice shafts but the ones I got run in the 450-500 grain range. If you try garden stakes every so often you'll get a stiff one that is in the 320-350 range. It still doesn't leave any room for the tip weight. Spruce and Hemlock work.
You have any luck with Hemlock..?   " I use 45-55# spine."   .........Ö.so what ya use for your bows that are under 40# 
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: DC on May 25, 2019, 04:56:28 pm
I found Hemlock to be a bit weak but that's compared to Bamboo. I've only made a couple of bows under 40# and I just rummaged around in my reject arrow bin until I found a couple or three lighter arrows that worked.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: jeffp51 on May 25, 2019, 11:23:01 pm
if you make the arrow a little longer, you should be able to get the dynamic spine down to where you want it.
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Bob Barnes on June 03, 2019, 01:31:48 pm
Thanks everyone for the help... a couple of friends, Gifford and Feathers -n- Wood, helped me out and I should end up with some arrows that will work just fine.   :OK
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Hawkdancer on June 06, 2019, 07:40:15 pm
Wayne, sent you a pm.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: arrow/shaft source?
Post by: Woodely on June 08, 2019, 10:17:35 am
I hope I'm not stealing this post.. :(

I also find that different species of wood shafts fly better from various bows.  eg.  Yellow cedar arrows spined at 40# shoot good from my laminated 3 piece wood bow,  but not so good from the 40# one piece.  And vice versa on other bows.  I could shoot 4 different bows using same arrows and maybe only bow will perform well.  And changing wood species but same spine will vary between bows.  Anyone know why this is exactly.  ???