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Title: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: osage outlaw on May 01, 2020, 07:35:04 pm
I started shaping this handle today and what looked like a fairly solid knot turned into a 1" deep hole angling through the upper fade.  My two thoughts are to leave it empty or to fill it with dyed epoxy.  I think there is enough wood around it to be stable.  I shot it today but I can't draw anywhere near 29".  What do you guys think?

(https://i.imgur.com/goV0urs.jpg)


Here is the other end of it.  I wish it was hollow all the way through.  I'd leave it empty for sure then. 

(https://i.imgur.com/n0hEQXX.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/FbWdFzz.jpg)
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: RyanY on May 01, 2020, 07:38:08 pm
How straight is the hole? You could drill it out and plug it with something if you didnít want to use epoxy.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: osage outlaw on May 01, 2020, 08:14:29 pm
How straight is the hole? You could drill it out and plug it with something if you didnít want to use epoxy.

I dont want to plug it with wood or horn.  I'd rather use epoxy with some color in it.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: bjrogg on May 01, 2020, 08:28:21 pm
I vote for leaving the hole.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: RyanY on May 01, 2020, 08:29:31 pm
I think you could fill it then. Depends more on the aesthetic that you want.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: osage outlaw on May 01, 2020, 08:44:03 pm
I was thinking dark red dye with black swirled into it.  Or maybe solid black with a thin blue line across it.  The guy I'm making it for was the son of a police chief before he was killed.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Dances with squirrels on May 02, 2020, 02:31:38 am
A buddy of mine just finished up a bow this week with a hole like that . He filled it with a piece of polished turquoise.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: stuckinthemud on May 02, 2020, 04:09:58 am
I'd fill it
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Del the cat on May 02, 2020, 04:41:15 am
Leave it, so you can tell target archers it's where you screw in the stabilizer bar  >:D
Del
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: HH~ on May 02, 2020, 06:08:36 am
Like that shooter riser. Make a good "hang from tree hook" hunter!

I would not fill it with just two part exoxy. Would fit some dark or black wood, Gaboon etc and fit it.  Then epoxy that in. It's in a spot where you have relieved half the bow where you will get some flex thru the upper fade and vibration. Fitting a piece with a smaller amount of epxoy and wood will be much stronger in a tricky spot.

It may have helped if you left some meat on the top fade and not trimmed down. That wood on the opposite of the arrow pass would have gone a long way to support that area. Looking at the grian in that spot i see it swirls and waves so it should be strong enough. If it does come apart right there it gets purty ugly.


HH~
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: bassman on May 02, 2020, 06:28:53 am
Osage saw dust, and crazy glue will make that hole strong.Pack it in their ,let it dry ,and sand it down. I have used that fix on a lot of bows with excellent results.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 02, 2020, 06:52:10 am
I use sawdust and superglue to fill inletting errors on flintlocks that won't show as well as gaps in other wood work, it makes and exceptionally strong patch after the chemical reaction takes place between the wood and glue, don't breathe the fumes, they are nasty.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Aaron H on May 02, 2020, 06:55:30 am
I vote leave it
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: HH~ on May 02, 2020, 09:06:04 am
Yeah, maybe not.

Guy sent me this other day. Think i seen this fella b4.

They kund go like this when the blow where yer knot is.

HH~
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: TimBo on May 02, 2020, 09:24:28 am
Ooof.  I don't think even Mr. Krewson could fix that one!
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: George Tsoukalas on May 02, 2020, 09:41:44 am
It wouldn't hurt to fill it in. With major holes I've always used sawdust and wood glue ...T3 preferably because it is waterproof. Jawge
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Selfbowman on May 02, 2020, 10:06:14 am
If it flex at all in draw fill it. Clint just pull It to the ear for thirty inches. I to suffer the short draw syndrome.  Arvin
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: dylanholderman on May 02, 2020, 10:44:52 am
i like filling it with turquoise or something else colorful.
woodworker buddy of mine used to fill cracks and burns with crushed gem stones and the thin CA glue
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: bownarra on May 02, 2020, 12:58:35 pm
Good job it isn't a bit higher!
What draw weight is the bow?
I would definitely fill it especially with the cut in shelf weakening that area already. I wouldn't use dyed epoxy by itself, it isn't very rigid. Superglue/epoxy/TBB3 with saw dust or drill it out and plug it with a denser than osage wood.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: osage outlaw on May 02, 2020, 01:23:03 pm
The bow is 68" long and 47@28.  I could fill most of it with sawdust and superglue then top it off with dyed epoxy.  It doesn't flex there at 29"
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: HH~ on May 02, 2020, 01:46:42 pm
You mean it does not look like it doesnt flex there.
 With that riser cutout , after making 60-70 of them, They FLEX there. How do i know? Glue a handle on belly side of riser, flatten , put draw stick in and you can measure the deflection at FD!

HH~
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: mullet on May 02, 2020, 01:48:16 pm
Clint, you could use that new epoxy by JBWeld. It is slightly flexible.
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Hawkdancer on May 02, 2020, 11:31:19 pm
Now that is one heck of an explosion" (--)!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: BowEd on May 03, 2020, 09:23:31 am
I'd leave it as is Clint with that bows' length.It angles deeper into the depth of the handle anyway.
I had black cherry reveal a knot after wood removal lately.Not the nicest surprise,but feel I'll be able to work with it.Think it'll be gone with more removal.
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Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: simson on May 04, 2020, 01:35:44 am
I would leave it, looks quite decorative in my eyes
Title: Re: Fill a knot or not?
Post by: Pappy on May 04, 2020, 06:04:15 am
I would also leave it, I love knot holes in bows, in the right area of course. ;)
 Pappy