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Title: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 07, 2020, 03:20:18 pm
Found these trees in the woods back of my house. I think they are eastern hophornbeam. Can anyone tell for sure.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 07, 2020, 03:21:47 pm
I am struggling with inserting pictures. Here is another.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: PatM on May 07, 2020, 03:38:32 pm
Looks well within the variation possible in the bark of that tree.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: Jim Davis on May 07, 2020, 05:06:12 pm
Leaves don't look right...
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 07, 2020, 05:49:18 pm
This is a better shot of the leaves.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 07, 2020, 05:54:57 pm
BTW the last photo is a different tree. The leaves show up better.
The botanical info I can glean from the internet such as leaves, stems, bark and environment in which they grow line up pretty close with what I see. The one thing on the leaves which creates doubt is some of the descriptions state slightly hairy underneath. I don't see hairy at all. But the bark and leaves look right or very close to right.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 07, 2020, 05:57:34 pm
Nope, the bark should look like this and the leaves look like an elm.

Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 08, 2020, 05:09:16 am
Looks like a misidentification. I will keep looking. And watch out in late summer for any possible hop like nut clusters to form.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: Scallorn on May 09, 2020, 07:35:16 pm
  That definitely looks like elm to me. I dont know if you are specifically looking for one type of tree, but elm makes an outstanding bow and has been used for millennia.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: PatM on May 09, 2020, 08:11:29 pm
Picture don't really show that clearly but the bark does not have to look like what Eric posted.     
 
   Any chance for a few more close-ups?

 
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on May 10, 2020, 05:06:21 am
Maybe this pic will help. I scraped some of the bark off to look at the inner bark. It is red brown in color. You can see that just behind my bow limb.

If it is elm I will consider harvesting the tree and making staves.

Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: aja0 on May 10, 2020, 07:28:03 am
if it is Elm, the bark will feel like cork when you push a finger into it.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on June 01, 2020, 07:58:32 am
Here is a picture of the blooms and leaves of the tree I first posted about. Sure looks like hop hornbeam to me.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on June 01, 2020, 02:41:25 pm
Cut one of the trees down today. It was about 10 inches diameter at the base. Split into 4 staves and picture shows end of staves. When making a bow, how far down into the wood do I go before getting past sap wood. I don't see the sapwood heart wood line. That is obvious in osage but in this hornbeam I don't see it. There is a thin bark line then wood. I just wonder how to see where sap wood ends and heartwood starts.

Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: TimBo on June 01, 2020, 05:57:04 pm
Pop the bark off and use the nice clean wood you see for the back - no reason to chase a ring on whitewood.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: dylanholderman on June 01, 2020, 06:05:24 pm
agreed, surface under the bark is your back. also it's probably near impossible to chase a ring on HHB it has a defused grain like maple.
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: gumboman on June 02, 2020, 06:32:59 am
Thanks for the input. One other thing. The staves have quite a lot of prop twist. More than I have dealt with in the past. Can anyone advise what would be the maximum amount of prop twist a stave can have in order to make a bow before you consider it firewood only? 15 degrees? 30 degrees? 45 degrees?

Thanks
Title: Re: Is this hophornbeam
Post by: PatM on June 02, 2020, 07:13:27 am
I see a pretty distinct line but it's of no consequence.  You're not working gown to an inner ring.