Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Fox on September 05, 2020, 05:16:14 pm
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I have 3 bows that i could hunt with this season... non of which i have arrows i would shoot at a living animal with... i have bare shafted and the shafts seem to fly absalutely perfect the few shafts ive made from shoots and the split timber shafts and the shafts ive bought ill bare shaft and there great... and then i paint them and there beatiful... and then i fletch them and i can hardly hit the target... now i dont have perfect form but i can group the bare shafts pretty good... so ive given up and am just going to blow 100 dollers that i dont have on arrows from 3 rivers.. ill post pics of all my arrows that refuse to go where i ask them too.
-Fox
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Why not see if someone on PA has any extra arrows they are willing to trade. Lot's cheaper than buying some. ;)
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Not a bad idea Pat
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Fox I’d be happy to make you a set of hunting arrows. Shoot me a message with your bows stats and your draw length.
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Those arrows look pretty good to me. Is it the arrows or you?
If an arrow flies well bare shaft I can think of no reason why it won't shoot well fletched.
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My same question pat i dont know why when i fletched them they went to garbage.... it could be me for sure... but see the thing is, is that i hade a set of store bought arrows that i could group (usually) within a 6 inch group. But the ones ive mad only about half of them even make it on the target
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Are the shafts well seasoned and dry? All the same size and similar weight? Were the shoots at least 2nd year growth when you harvested them?
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What's second year growth have to do with it..?
P
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Pat.. the shoots where dry and colected from black haw, i don't know what year growth they where though. and the other shafts where store bought so i assume they are dry
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I agree with Pat B, those arrows look pretty good! You may have developed a glitch in your shooting technique. I assume you used all the same wing feathers on the same shaft? What spine weight and length are they?
Hawkdancer
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Im really not thinking its my shooting, just because i can pick up the one arrow i have left of the bought ones and hit the perfect grapefruit but i couldnt hit a watermelon truck with these. yeah there all from tthe same wing not sure on the spine, i just sand them till they shoot straight before fletching, and there 27" ... the bought shafts though are 65-70 spine
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oh and the ones that are shoots and are for my 45# locust bow weigh 600 grains. and the the other weigh 700 for my 55# hickory
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Paul, first year growth(one annual ring), that only has leaves growing on them are generally too whipy to make good arrows. Second year growth(2 annual rings) has small branches where last years leaves were has more resistance thus making better arrows.
Fox, I've used black haw Viburnum and made good arrows, the only downfall is viburnum does check easily if debarked too soon but even checked they make good arrows.
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Yeah I really like it as arrow shafts (it's also the only shoots around) now that you'v described 2nd year growth, they are second year growth
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This is odd. I was just telling my grandson that arrows always fly better with fletching :D. Do the arrows bob and weave or do they appear to fly straight, just not arriving at the right spot ;)
PS Maybe it's something to do with the broadhead. Did you bare shaft with the broadhead on? I know nothing about broadheads.
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I've been thinking. I used to spend a lot of time trying to get arrows to fly right. I finally gave up. They either fly well or they don't except for one thing I found. If you have a slight bend in the arrow in the fletching area, or just in front of it, they fly like crap and it's hard to see when you sight down the arrow. I doubt that all your arrows are like that but it's worth a look. I can also see where they might fly OK bare shaft with that little bend and then go down the tube with fletching. Just a thought. :)
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Thats a reall good point about the bend at the end of the arrow DC, ill go look... id be suprissed if that was the problem with all of them...and they dont fly stright there really sporatic... im thinking i could have given them too much helical twist, and it may be uneven between all of the feathers.
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Change fetching on one...see what happens. I just this am did a 2 feather fletch w electric tape. Took 10 minutes and 8 was shooting to see how it flew...
Fwiw
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Did you Bare shaft shoot them with the same weight point as those broadheads.
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Do the arrowheads spin straight and true when you put them on a hard surface and spin the arrow shaft? If not that could be the problem.
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Standing straight up with the point on the hard surface.
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I bare shafted them with the broad heads... some of them are not perfectly straight when i spin them... Most are correct but a few are not quite right..
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When I made a shoot or cane arrow I straighten them first then mount the head and spin each arrow on my finger tip or palm of my hand. If there is any wobble at all I recheck the straightness of the shaft and readjust the head and spin it again. Once it spins true it's time for fletching. Most of my shoot or cane arrows are not as straight as store bought arrows but if the point and nock line up the arrow usually shoots true.
Another thought...are you putting the stiff side of the shaft against the bow? Try shooting with the cock feather in towards the bow and see how they shoot.
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The point MUST be completely straight for the arrow to fly properly.
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I mean as far as I can tell the point is straight
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No wobble?
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In the head or the shaft close to the head?
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Is your brace height and string nocking point set right? It may affect arrow flight if wrong. Is your string slapping your wrist? I think if it slaps you low on your wrist BH is to low, higher on forearm BH to high. If i'm wrong please correct me
Good Luck Fox
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Keep working on it! Arrows are harder than bows! Shoots are more challenging as you have found out. I bet every one who makes arrows sooner or later has a bad set or a rogue arrow! Most of us, sooner! (lol)
Hawkdancer
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Do you have a helix on the fletching? I couldn’t tell for sure in the photo, but it almost looked like a right wing on a left helix.
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That cold surely mess up the flight.
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Thanks high eagle, jimmi and hawkdancer. You guys are encouraging! High eagle, my brace hight is around 5.5" and i get no wrist slap, but the knocking point i do have a hard time figuring exactly where it should be (I just eyeball it) I did think of that and moved it around a bit and it didn't seem to change arrow flight much... is there a way to masure where it should be more accurately?
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Now the helix ... that is something I've been trying to figure out.... on all my arrows fletched by 3 rivers or other arrow makers a left wing had a helix that goes to the left? Correct? Now I have had a hard time figuring out rw vs lw... after some reading I figured out how to tell... but the thing is I could be tottaly wrong... these are supposed to be left wing feathers IF i figured it out correctly...
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In the 7th photo is the arrows that have a lot of helix and are supposed to be left wing with a left helix
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From what you have said I think it could only be one thing :)
When you look at a feather one side is shiny and smooth - the top of the feather as it sits in the wing. The other side is rough - the underside of the wing. Doesn't matter left or right wing BUT you must have all three from the same wing. Eg. all rough on the same side.
The offset you put on the feather has to be towards the rough side.
Eg the rough side is catching the air as the arrow flys.
If you offset to the wrong side eg. the smooth side catching the air then your arrows will fly......not very well :)
Highgly unlikely to be form etc if you can group the bare shafts and it is only when you fletch them that they start acting funny. If it was form then you certainly wouldn't be able to group bare shafts :)
Once you have your fletching sorted out then leave one arrow unfletched. Shoot it with your other arrows and it should group with them.
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so.. so.. the offset is supposed to be towerds the rough side? well then ive done it all backwords ;D I was following what the arrows ive bought where fletched like and on them it looks like atleast that the front end of the fletchings offset goes away from the rough side.... welp once i get more feathers hopfully this turky season ill give it another try ...
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Fox,
Pm me your address, I will send you some. Areyou doing 2 or 3 fletch, and do you want left or right wing? Got both in a box or the freezer in the shop!
Hawkdancer