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Title: Red osier question
Post by: Jakesnyder on September 28, 2020, 04:38:33 pm
I ordered some green shafts online and they are anywhere from .5" to 1" in diameter. Is dogwood strong enough to just shave it down to  whatever diameter I need? Is that how its done?
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Pat B on September 28, 2020, 05:41:48 pm
When I cut silky dogwood I cut the base at 3/8" diameter. As it dries it will shrink somewhat. If these shoots are green you'll have to let them dry with the bark on for a while or they'll check. Reducing a 1" or even 1/2" diameter shoot to shaft size is a lot of reducing.
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Hawkdancer on September 28, 2020, 11:47:10 pm
I think I would take those shafts to the county extension forester to make sure of what you are getting!  Can't understand selling green r.o.d/w shafts!  Never tried it but you might seal the ends to prevent/slow checking.  Btw, that thought just hit my mind, I haven't tried it yet!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: artcher1 on September 29, 2020, 05:26:59 am
 Reducing shafts that size is a little daunting if you've never done it before. But with a little knowledge and the right tools it's not that difficult.

I never passed up a shoot that was grossly oversize if I thought it would make an awesome arrow. Often times you can get a nice clean straight shaft from oversize shoots.

But you still want to keep the pith centered and follow all the irregularities of the shaft.

I never bothered sealing the ends of shafts. I would bundle them up, and put back for about two months. After that, I'd heat straighten w/bark on. Being over-sized, they're a little harder to straighten. With the bark on, some moisture is still trapped in the shaft, and this makes straightening much easier as the steam makes the shaft more pliable.

Best way I've found to make a BIG round into a LITTLE round is to first square it up. From there you can knock off the corners and then scrap/sand to desired weight.
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: artcher1 on September 29, 2020, 05:29:00 am
other pics
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: artcher1 on September 29, 2020, 05:31:29 am
(Laughing) Been awhile since I've done this.

Final product!
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Pat B on September 29, 2020, 06:56:06 am
Listen to arrcher1. Art knows shoot arrows better than anyone I know.  :OK
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Jakesnyder on September 30, 2020, 04:12:08 pm
Do the areas where the little branches would come off make for a weak spot?
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Pat B on September 30, 2020, 06:44:37 pm
Not weak if they are reduced smoothly.
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: jeffp51 on September 30, 2020, 07:10:00 pm
I reduce them by spinning them on a belt sander.  The strength does not seem to suffer much.
Title: Re: Red osier question
Post by: Hawkdancer on October 01, 2020, 12:36:45 am
I sand them carefully by hand and size them through a hard maple "die".  It works for me, work is the operative word! (lol). I do plan to try the bark on straightening idea.
Hawkdancer