Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Sparrow on May 01, 2008, 02:14:52 pm
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My son down in washington state sent me a bunch of turkey feathers from a bird he shot a couple of weekends ago.I had brought hundreds up to Alaska with me when I moved here and had them stored in a cardboard box in the shed,looked in there last fall when it was time to do some fletching and bugs had eaten them up,not a feather was spared. I have been making arrows out of native materials up here and have a bunch of canada goose primaries to work with.We have about 30 or 40 bald eagles in the village right now and they are beginning to drop feathers all over the place,cannot use a single one of them because of the endangered species act(They were never endangered in Alaska) Boy are they some great looking feathers,Huge. Anywho,I can't help but love the look of those turkey feathers on an arrow.I once used the cinnamon colored primaries out of a male peacocks wings for the cock feather on a bunch of arrows I made,That looked pretty good.I hope to get some tundra swan wings sometime for use as cock feathers 'cause they are legal to hunt in parts of Alaska and I know they are just being thrown away. Anyone using any different feathers out there for fletching ? Frank
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Just using the turkey primaries primarily. :D
Have fooled around with Canada goose feathers but that was back when I was strippin' the quills instead of grindin like I do now.Wish I had all the goose feathers back I tried to strip and destroyed. Dern things just won't strip worth hoot.
I wanna try crow wing feather in a two fletch. That'd give me a good reason to hunt them.
Chris
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ive have used a parrot feather before when i made my first arrow, worked well. thats when i shot compound too and at 20 yards i hit lungs eevry time. but id like to try other feathers like crow, or goose, but all i ahve is turkey and thats what works for me
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I have quite a feather collection back home (I've still got one more week of college yet) that I can't wait to sort through and see what'll make decent fletching. I used to pick feathers up all around the lake by my house, and in my backyard and other places, so I've got a lot of goose and crow. My sister knew I liked collecting feathers, and worked in a vet clinic, so whenever they trimmed macaws or cockatiels, she'd bring me home some feathers. I might end up with some nifty looking arrows this summer.
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...hawk feathers would be COOL 8). unfoutunatly we cant touch em. :'( are buzard freathers leagle to use? anyhow, i just use turkey most of the time. wanna try crow.
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You can use any feathers ....but those from a Raptor...unless you have a CDIB Card like I do....then you can have and use Raptor Feathers
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What's that CDIB stand for ? I want one ! Frank
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What's that CDIB stand for ? I want one ! Frank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Degree_of_Indian_Blood
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I ought to look into that,both my grandmothers were eastern cherokee's,one from the carolina's and one from oklahoma or arkansas. Maybe I could use some of these eagle primary's laying all over the place up here for fletching.They are great big feathers. Frank
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I ought to look into that,both my grandmothers were eastern cherokee's,one from the carolina's and one from oklahoma or arkansas. Maybe I could use some of these eagle primary's laying all over the place up here for fletching.They are great big feathers. Frank
Not only that....you can get you some Free Vacation Property in Oklahome too!!! Got to be a Registered Cherokee though.........I am not........Ojibwe!!!!!
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Is that like registering your labrador retreiver ? Frank
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Yep.....and it's about as fair as AKC too....there are only so many Native tribes that are accepted as being True
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I am a native white american, many generations.. does that count? ;D
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.........Foks ya need ta back off on this. There are NO natives that are white. Hate ta dissapoint ya foks unless ya have Indian blood in yer veins yer NOT an Indian. We are NOT Native Americans y'all named this country NOT us. Comparing registering with the Bureau of Indian Affairs ta registering yer labrador retreiver with the AKC is in bad taste. Y'all need ta think about this........bob
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Sorry .......Big Cat.........I meant no Disrespect at all....was just pointing out a flaw in the System....not comparing my Ancestors to Dog..................... boonendam niin coo-wa-chobee
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Bob...I don't mean to sound ornery, but Indians didn't name themselves Indians anymore than they named themselves Native Americans. Even tribes like the Gros Ventre aren't properly named..."Gros Ventre" is French for "Big Belly", which was a misunderstanding of the sign-language term for their people. Their true name is "A'aninin" (spelling varies) which means "White Clay People". But they still refer to themselves as Gros Ventre. I think the general idea is that none of the names were given in bad taste or with intention to insult, so all of them can be used without prejudice or worry about being "politically correct".
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Sorry you got your feelings hurt again Bob, You know I was raised Lakota and meant no disrespect. If any "white eye" respects and honors the way of the native peoples of this continent it is me... My family and best friends are Native american. Hawk
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Leave it to a College Girl to say it straight.....Thanks Andrea....Hawk and I were both raised with the Morals and respect of the ....here we go....Native American Tribes.....I would no more Disrespect them on Purpose...than I would my Mother......I was brought up Better than that!!!
Gichi-Miigwech Andrea
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The term that we use fer the foks that were here LONG before the soceity that rules now is a modern one as Andrea says that is used ta be understood by each other. Andrea would you rather I use what we call ourselves and then there are 1000's of descriptions ? I coulnd't give a damm less about "politically correct !"Sorry Andrea, ALL the names cannot be used without insult. Mike (Hawkbow ) my feelings arent hurt. I am not that thin-skinned and I am used ta it by now. I dont think y'all meant ta insult rather a poor choice of words typed. I believe Hawkbow but Mike ( El Destructo ) how would you know what Hawkbow's intention was and feel comfortable speakin' fer him ? Andrea, ya need ta learn more about "Indians " and NOT from a book ifn ya interested. I think you will find the written literature is often at odds (BIG TIME ) with what ya hear and perhaps yer personal take on it. You might even think its slanted........bob
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Well, my professor, Walter Fleming, who is registered with the Kickapoo tribe and is head of the Department of Native American Studies here at Montana State University said it in a way that seemed most pragmatic to me. He said, (paraphrased a bit) "You'll hear me say Indian, Native American, tribespeople, Crow, American Indian, Cheyenne, and all of that. There's a lot of tip-toeing people do over which term is best to be used. As long as you don't call me a wagon-burning savage, it doesn't matter what term you use." That seems to make the most sense, because I personally think the lengths to which people tend to take "political correctness" is just stupid.
Please don't take anything of what I've said in a negative light. The transition I made from Chicago to Montana in terms of being exposed to native cultures is an eye-opening and awesome one. I have absolutely nothing but respect for American Indian cultures. The only thing that bothers me is the whole polygamy deal, and some of the ways women were regarded. But I'm female, and that's generally my prerogative, even though I would call myself much more of a traditional gal than a raging feminist. Whole 'nother can of worms.
I've got to go throw some thin-cut sammich steaks in a bit of marinade for tomorrow's dinner, and then get ready to go to the MSU Pow-wow, incidentally. I went yesterday as well, and spent a good amount of time having meaningful conversations with the parties involved. I'll have some amazing pictures to share with you folks later.
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Andrea, you just had to bring up the thin cut steaks...it is official you have made the transition to a full fledged PA gal.. you brought up food on a post about feathers.. ;D ;)Hawk
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Ohhh, you betcha...wanna know the recipe!? It's a super manly sammich...recipe courtesy my better half.
Get some thin cut steaks (skirt, flank, whichever's in the store) and marinate them overnight in your favorite tenderizing marinade. When it comes time to cook dinner, sautee the steak in minced garlic, butter, and pepper. Use the same pan (it's tastier) to sautee up some mushrooms and onions. Then, boil up some potatoes 'till they're mashable. Mash them in a bowl with very generous helpings of sour cream, buttermilk, and cheese, along with a bit of pepper and seasoned salt to taste, until the potatoes are super creamy. Take a nice kaiser/sourdough/italian type sandwich roll (the long kind, not the round kind), open it up and lay it on a cookie sheet. Lightly butter both halves of the bread and on one half, take a good helping of your favorite cheese and lay it on. Place it under the broiler in your oven until the cheese is melty and the bread is toasty. Then, spread the yummy creamy potato mixture on the bread, lay the steak on that, and spoon yourself some onions and mushrooms overtop the steak, close up the bread, and ENJOY! It's a meal on a bun, yum yum.
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Bob you have got to be the crankiest man I know.
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Bob you have got to be the crankiest man I know.
Your post says a lot about you. You suggested once before that I was "ignorant." You dont know me and I am not interested in your opinion of my demeanor. Keep it ta yerself from now on . Clear enuf ? Old saying "engage brain before putting mouth in gear "( in this case fingers on keyboard ).......bob
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I live in the South, And one of my friends is Black, really.
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*sigh* how off-track we've become... :-\
*grabs a thick rope to rein things in again*
SOOOO...
Has anyone put pheasant feathers on an arrow before? They have some neat patterning.
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Nope......and I havent tried Pigeon Feathers either.....but why would I when I have Bags of fresh Turkey Feathers waiting!!!!
;D
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I have tried every kind of feather there is available at one time or another.. Turkey and goose feathers seem to be the best but flicker feathers make a cool looking arrow..Hawk Yankee, you should have a house full of turkey feathers by now brother, with all the turkeys you have harvested. ;D Hawk a/ho
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Yankee, you should have a house full of turkey feathers by now brother, with all the turkeys you have harvested. ;D Hawk a/ho
You want to trade???? I have 1 Gallon Baggies full of them in the Freezer!!!!
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Yep ! Rooster pheasant wing primaries make very good fletching.good and stiff but not very tall,which really means you don't have to trim them.
Bob,my remark about registering was simply a comparison as to the hoops and bureaucracy that one might have to jump thru to get anywhere.I was sincere about looking into my ancestry I just wonder how tough it might be getting registered,won't know till I get there,Eh ! Took me a year and a half to get one of my labs registered with akc because the line had been broken by a un-registered bitch. She was out of an old hunting line and pure as the driven snow but the akc was really hardheaded about it and almost made it not worth doing. No dis-respect intended. I revere my grandmothers. (And grandfathers) Frank
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Hey El Destructo, I'll trade you pound for pound for obsidian... >:D
Keith
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Hey El Destructo, I'll trade you pound for pound for obsidian... >:D
Keith
I bet you would!!! I was born in the day....but not Today!!!!
;)
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I am sorry you feel that way Bob.
I was in no way trying to insult you. I don't remember ever calling you ignorant. If I did, I apologize. It is not something that I normally do unless strongly provoked. As for your demeanor...I have never been verbally slapped like that on this site so I will let YOUR post speak for itself.
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El Destructo, I have gone through my antler pile and come up with sone good points from elk for you, some are white but real solid the rest are brown... as soon as I get caught up on these cabins i am building, i will PM you about a trade brother... Hawk
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my great grandmother was pure blackfoot, do i count as native american, also, i feel mroe indian than i do white...
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Andrea, ;) now that we are back on track, Guinea feathers make some unique looking feathers but they are a little short.
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my great grandmother was pure blackfoot, do i count as native american, also, i feel mroe indian than i do white...
my friend Mary is 50% Blackfoot.
dont want to turn this into a love thread again ::)
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El Destructo, I have gone through my antler pile and come up with sone good points from elk for you, some are white but real solid the rest are brown... as soon as I get caught up on these cabins i am building, i will PM you about a trade brother... Hawk
No Hurry hawk....any time you get some free Time......I know how it is ....I just now got in the House....time to take a Shower and get ready to go to Bed!! I love Days off....I work harder than when I am at Work!!! Thank You
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my great grandmother was pure blackfoot, do i count as native american, also, i feel mroe indian than i do white...
If you can verify Her Registration Number....and trace your Lineage back to Her....you can also get registered...it is not an easy Road...as it shouldn't be....otherwise too many would be abusing the System
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well then ifn everyone wants toge technical on there ethnic background
all 4 of my grandparents and both of my parents were 100% human,therefore i feel i am brother to all,and i was born on this continent,therefore for that makes me native to it.if i choose to honer the ancestors that were here before me or the ancestors from another continent so be it,ones ethnic background should not make one feel superior to others(and with some attitudes on here thats how you come off) just because your ancestors have been here for a millenia or more does not make you better than me.your opinions are not better than mine or anyone elses. so come on people,like Rodney king( i believe it was)said"cant we all just get along?".
NO ONE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE,WE ARE ALL EQUAL,YOUR LINEAGE DOES NOT MAKE YOU OR YOUR OPINIONS BETER THAN ME OR MINE.
tim
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giinetawaa animigidaazo zhoonzhoowasim
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yup,thats what i am talking about
anyhoo,
my arrows right now have the crap that came with them,i'm drying some red osier shoots and ifn i get them straight i'll try my hand at making arrows,those if they work out will all have turkey feathers for fletching,some will be primaries and secondaries some tail feathers.just cause its whats handy.
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Now, now, boys...I thought I brought this one back on topic!! >:(
If there are any more posts in this thread NOT concerning feathers and their application to arrows, I am going to get peeved! More peeved than I already am! And you don't want to see me more peeved....
"Hell hath no fury..." :-X
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most of my last post was back on topic,i'm trying to play nice(not my best attribute)
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I like it when you get ANGRY!!!!!!
;D
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Now, now, boys...I thought I brought this one back on topic!! >:(
If there are any more posts in this thread NOT concerning feathers and their application to arrows, I am going to get peeved! More peeved than I already am! And you don't want to see me more peeved....
"Hell hath no fury..." :-X
Look guys, she thinks she is Marie. >:D bossy bossy bossy
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I like it when you get ANGRY!!!!!!
Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZfwuCjbBDk
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Look guys, she thinks she is Marie. >:D bossy bossy bossy
L.M.A.O.R.O.T.F.P.M.P
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yup,thats my solution to this box when it doesnt work lol
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I used turkey tail feathers for the first time this winter,soft like goose but very pretty,see how they hold up. Frank
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I've used Turkey primaries, secondaries, and tail feathers, as well as goose and peacock primaries. Most of my arrows are fletched with goose, as they are readily available in my neck of the woods. I currently have one hunting arrow fletched with barred turkey primaries, and three target arrows fletched with peacock fletchings, which are a nice cinnamon color. Wild turkey secondaries are excellent for making flu-flu arrows, but they do wear out quickly, so I have started saving all my secondaries, as well as primaries that I 'ruin' by making them too short, for kids arrows. As soon as I have some time, I'll take a picture of the arrows I recently made for my nephew and post them here, as well as the arrows forum. They're a mixed bag of peacock, turkey, and goose fletching.
Here's a pic of the Peacock primaries. They're real sturdy, and real quiet. Nice feathers!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/NorthernArcher/30.jpg)
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Nice looking fletching job,those feathers ain't coming off. Good work. Frank
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Goose, duck and turkey so far. Duck primaries are soft but work well full length for 2-fletch. I am going to try magnolia leaves next for quicky split-shaft cane arrows. I am hoping they will work and hold up for 20 shots. I'll let you know.
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Wow, what a gorgeous color on those arrows! I'm jealous.
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very nice arrows brother.. those peacock feathers are tough...Hawk
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Turkey secondary feathers are excellent for Eastern Woodland two fletch when you use the whole feather.
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These were my hunting arrows last year, maple shafts with store-bought turkey feathers that I spliced together. I have a few birds worth of turkey primaries that I am grinding down for this years arrows. I love those peackock feathers, how did you aquire them? I take my son to the Denver Zoo alot, and I see them laying around from time to time, I would love to have a source of those.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/Titan_Bow/Archery/bow.jpg)
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Man Titan, That is a nice lookin' setup.The time I got peacock feathers was down in eastern washington,some guy advertised in the thrift paper that he had a bunch of peacocks and anyone who could catch them ,could have them.I caught two males and still have a bunch of the tail feathers,(I tie flies)but used all the primaries.By the way,them peacocks are tasty birds to boot,I boiled them till tender and made chicken and rice with them. Frank
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Dang....whats te Brace Height on that Bow???
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The bow is only 54" long so I guess it looks deceiving. This bow shoots best with a slightly high brace, about 6.5". Just over 6" is where most of my other bows seem to shoot best.
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Here's a few more that I've done recently
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/Titan_Bow/DSC01491.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/Titan_Bow/Archery/DSC01181.jpg)
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d92/Titan_Bow/Archery/DSC00799.jpg)
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Wowy wow wow!!! Howzabout a build-along on how to splice the colors into those fletchings!!??!?!
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very nice arrows .. real precise.. Hawk
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Thanks for the replies. Andrea, I'll be making up a batch soon and I'll do a build-along when I do :)
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Now, now, boys...I thought I brought this one back on topic!!
If there are any more posts in this thread NOT concerning feathers and their application to arrows, I am going to get peeved! More peeved than I already am! And you don't want to see me more peeved....
"Hell hath no fury..."
Well Missy,
Prepare to get more peeved.
Unless you have a Mod or Admin typed under your name,i dont see where you have any right to say that to anyone on this site.Put the Big chief act back in your pocket.Furthermore,i dont think Bob needs a history lesson,from a non NDN on NDN ways,regardless of who her Professor may be,or what nation he is registered with.Bobs a card carryin NDN too,with a family history,that would make your head spin.Osceola aint French ya know.As for the card carryin NDN,bein able to possess,raptor feathers,dont fool yourself.Those laws are up to interpretation,and the discretion of the officer,at the time.Ask a Ute partner of mine,about the time he was,fined and had his eagle feather confiscated at the Denver Rodeo,because he didnt have the proper "Permits"to possess it.
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This is getting headed in a very political direction. Let's all take a deep breath and keep it on the subject at hand.
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Traxx, I know where you are coming from and I've talked to Bob quite a bit. This is really starting to head down a dead end road and has been rehashed over and over again. It never get's resolved and always ends up in a bunch of boring name calling. I'm not trying to piss anybody off but Traxx, try to just chalk it up to somebody that's never experianced what you guy's did and believed one persons impressionable opinion. Let's try to get back to feathers? ???
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traxx ya know how i feel . but you need to respect others if you expect to be respected. her name is andrea not missy. everybodies point has been made and understood. keep it nice
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I am starting to see a lot of road killed pheasants around here with breeding season in full swing...
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The geese will be molting in the next few weeks.
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I am starting to see a lot of road killed pheasants around here with breeding season in full swing...
ohhhh.....I see some nice new Fletched Arrow in your Future!!!
And your too Hillbilly!!!!
;)
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I certainly have lots of Turkey feathers now thanks to Pappy and folks at the Twin Oaks Bowhunting Club (Tenn. Classic)
David T
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well i'm hoping to have turkey on the end of my arrows in another week, and i dont mean just feather fletch either. i hope to have the whole damn bird on the tip end of my arrow >:D >:D
o.k. hows that for on topic lol ;D
tim
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I use Turkey, and Canada goose feathers. Stripped rather than ground, chopped or cut to shape rather than burned, glued and tied. Nothing fancy, just good steerage.
Gonna try some Blue-grouse primaries if I ever get another one LOL.