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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 02:56:16 pm

Title: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 02:56:16 pm
 :-[
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 02:59:32 pm
Just put string on it . It had a descent braced profile. Blew at about 20Ē.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: dylanholderman on October 16, 2020, 03:01:45 pm
its hard to see any detail but it looks like it was strung backwards  :o
thats probably not what happened as it looks like a unfinished bow, but its just weird that the belly failed like that without the back failing first.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 03:07:25 pm
More pics.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 03:09:40 pm
Pic
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Post by: PatM on October 16, 2020, 03:19:06 pm
Looks like decay of some sort.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 03:33:52 pm
Pat I tend to agree. The late Ring seamed dense but the early  seems soft but brittle. Arvin
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Post by: Pat B on October 16, 2020, 03:38:08 pm
Is that osage? It looks pale and the break looks like decay and/or wavy grain.  Is that a knot right at the break?
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Post by: Badger on October 16, 2020, 04:23:38 pm
  That does look like bad wood
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 04:25:50 pm
Pat yes on Osage. No knot . Wavy grain ? Not sure what you are talking about?  Arvin
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Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 04:27:59 pm
Steve that just tells ya I am not picky enough!! I did not see it in stave form. Arvin
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Pat B on October 16, 2020, 05:28:04 pm
In the pic above it looks like figured wood inside the break. Could just be camera angle.
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Post by: bushboy on October 16, 2020, 05:35:56 pm
Looks like a delamination of a growth ring to me...had some thing similar recently....where did you get the stave?
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: PatM on October 16, 2020, 06:12:31 pm
Maybe Eric Krewson will chime in.  He mentioned cutting a large nice looking Osage trunk  that was very poor quality  that sounded like this one.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 16, 2020, 06:53:00 pm
Canít remember either north Oklahoma or Mo.  Arvin
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Post by: TimBo on October 16, 2020, 09:29:13 pm
Probably Oklahoma. O:)
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Post by: dylanholderman on October 16, 2020, 09:43:27 pm
Now that thereís more pics Iíll throw my vote into the ďbad woodĒ pile.
Good wood shouldnít snap clean across the back like that did.

Is it possible that it was dead standing?
Iíve heard of dead standing Osage having its sapwood gain the appearance of heartwood and then failing when itís made into a bow
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Bob Barnes on October 16, 2020, 09:58:00 pm
sorry to see that happen Arvin.  It looks exactly like the break I had on my favorite Joe Mattingly black locust bow.  I put it on the draw weight tree for the MoJam flight shoot and it blew at about 20" as well.  Joe made the bow in 1998 and I had shot it thousands of times...even in the Flight Shoot the year vefore while you were there.  It looked like 'punky' poor quality wood inside the break...just like yours.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 17, 2020, 02:14:18 pm
Well I had 10-15 hrs in it at that point. Another reason for this to be a hobby. 😀😀😀 Arvin
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 17, 2020, 02:29:03 pm
I did trap the bow but Iím donít think that was the problem. Arvin
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Badger on October 17, 2020, 02:41:10 pm
  I have never liked the wood that comes out of Kansas, Missouri, Northern Oklahoma, anywhere on the plains for some reason. Might just have been my own luck, hard to say.
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on October 17, 2020, 02:52:49 pm
Arvin, did it have a heartwood back? Jawge
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 17, 2020, 08:29:54 pm
Yes Jawge. Went down probably 2-3 below sap wood.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: bownarra on October 18, 2020, 12:30:23 am
The grain looks like it is half figured.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 18, 2020, 12:16:35 pm
Back where we stopped on the last one.😃
Arvin
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: Selfbowman on October 18, 2020, 02:33:15 pm
Success the second try! Yeaaa .
Arvin
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Post by: eastcreekarchery on October 18, 2020, 02:49:26 pm
I think the wood would (no pun intended hehe) have had a much more fibrous look after the break if it had been good wood. I agree that it was some sort of decay.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: AndrewS on October 18, 2020, 04:40:31 pm
May be a combination of different reasons.
Decay, growth disturbance, somewhat too dry.
Good bow performance always stresses the wood on the edge and wood with small defects or in a less than optimal condition gives up faster than the wood we prefer to use.
Title: Re: Why did this happen??
Post by: bushboy on October 18, 2020, 06:11:55 pm
This stave was riddled with delamination of the rings.....early wood was very punky.was cut in Tennessee I think?being in Canada...a very expensive failure....