Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Tower on May 05, 2021, 09:10:19 pm
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I was wondering if it’s time for another point exchange
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Don I'll get in
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If there's interest I'd participate as well
Paul
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I’ll go.
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I’m in
Bjrogg
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I'm in. :KN
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not this year. sorry. Im going to be watching!!! (-P (-P (-P (-P
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Ok let’s do this. I’ll get the details written up this weekend
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Just loaded up on some coral ,I'm in
Roger
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count me in for two
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I'm in.. just need details... gut
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I might do this as well
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Don has deligated the the responsibility for the PITH to me this time around. He is overwhelmed at work. Looks like things are getting busy again...
So, whoever want to jump in, please do so now. I think I'm going to draw the names on the 15th of June. If you are late by a few days and still want to join, I will find someone who will trade with you or I'll send you a point myself.
Let's make it a good one! :KN )P( (=)
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I'll be posting eye candy on this thread to keep it current. ;D
If it's ok, I'm going to allow bone arrowheads or arrowheads made from ground slate and such.
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Looking at last year's PITH, Don gave everyone one month to ship the points. So, you guys have from June 15th to July 15th to get your points in the mail.
Here are the rules:
Everyone ships to the person above them on the list.
The person on the top of the list ships to the last name on the list.
If you're in for 2, you ship to the two people above you on the list.
You have one month to ship your point from the date the list is posted.
Please let’s post a pic of the points we receive.
Please PM your recipient & for their ship to address.
I will also add the following:
There were quite a few people who did not post pics last year. If you cannot post pics for whatever reason, send me a picture to my email (jackcrafty2@gmail.com) and I will post the picture for you.
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I'm absolutely no good with stone, but I have a grinding wheel and bone, I just don't know what makes a really good bone point.
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Just pick a cool arrowhead and make a copy of it in bone.
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There's several bone arrowheads in this thread:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,36300.0.html
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You definatly posted some fancy blades there! I may give it a shot, it looks like one is more of a patience game than a skill game like stone. I'm interested by the reference to mother of pearl, I know where to get abalone shell, I may give that a go.
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I’m still in Patrick.
Bjrogg
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You know what, the bow trade is all I can manage for this year, maybe next time. I'll watch though. :)
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Sounds good, Patrick. I am in for 2.
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I put in an additional rule for those who are "in for two". You can see the rule addition in red letters in the rule post above.
If you're in for three, same rule applies. You ship to the three people directly above you on the list, etc.
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👍
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This is who we have so far:
TrapperRob. 1
PaulC 1
Parnell 1
BjRogg 1
JackCrafty 1
Tower 2
Bonepile. 1
YosemiteBen 2
Gutpile 1
SSRhythm 1
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Hey Patrick, if it shapes up that people are just focusing on one trade this year then I’ll adjust and go with that...just one. Let’s see how this shapes up.
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How good do you need to be to participate?
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How good do you need to be to participate?
Not about being good. Just giving a good effort. Hope you join in.
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Patrick thank you for handling this years PITH.
I owe you.
Please put me in for 2
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No problem, buddy.
I'll put you down for two.
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Ok..I'm in for 1.
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Latest knappings: made a couple "dogleg" corner tangs. And, no, I will not be giving these away in the PITH. >:D
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Nice Patrick. I bet if you did you’d get more people to join the PITH ::)
Bjrogg
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You're probably right, BJ. I didn't think about that.
These are spoken for but I guess I can make another, or some other large point, for the PITH.
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Nice blades
I think I'll pass on the PITH. Not into knapping in the summer, too hot and too many bugs right now
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I'm giving away this blade for the PITH. I will wrap the lower half with cordage. Total 6" long.
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Ok Marc. :OK
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Finished up 4 points made from chert collected in NY State. The Debert (Clovis) point is made from Normanskill.
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I finished up the blade I'm sending out.
I'll publish the final list tomorrow, which will officially start the PITH. You will have until July 15th to send out your points. Have fun!
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Very cool stuff, Patrick.
I'm going to focus on just 1 this year. Look forward to seeing the list.
Thanks,
Steve
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Final List:
JackCrafty
SSRhythm
GutPile
Yosemite Ben
BJRogg
PaulC
Parnell
Tower
BonePile
Trapper Rob
Looks like SSRhythm and PaulC are going to receive points from two people. Lucky.
I didn't look at last years' PITH to see if some people are exchanging points to/from the same person as last year. This was luck of the dice. Luckily, there are 10 people and I just happen to have a 10-sided die from my D&D days. ;D
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Hey Patrick how does this work.. do you send to the person above your name? ..never mind I just read the rules.. already hit my guy up for address ... gut
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Got mine from Patrick today it's a beauty.
I'm going to try to send Patrick pic's tomorrow.
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Lucky you Rob. That’s cool. Glad you got it. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was hoping to get one from Patrick.
PM’d address to Paul and look forward to seeing what he sends me.
My cousin is going to be visiting for a couple weeks and we plan on making some flakes when he gets here. He said to be watching for a couple boxes of spalls he is sending in the mail.
I will try to get something for Ben then
Bjrogg
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BJ I have a couple of Patrick's points in my case & one of his arrows he gets them thin and sharp.
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I sent my recipient an email to send me his address ( the day after the drawing) and what he might like.. I knocked something out this weekend while it was rainy, he gets what he gets now, got his ready to ship but he won't respond... getting kind of aggravated...what do we do in a case as such?... gut
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My guy responded..haha... will ship tomorrow..gut
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Thats me...been out of town. Are we supposed to ask the person we are sending to what they want to receive? That aint happening with Patrick and me! I start out trying to make something, and I always end up making the best of what I end up with. Of course, I'm sending one to Patrick...no pressure there :fp
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haha... no I was just going to hit you up to see what you could of used ... its not a requirement... I hope I got you covered though... I'm sure you can find a use for it one way or another... going to try and ship it today... no worries... gut
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Ok, looks like we are well under way. If anyone has any issues sending or receiving, or issues posting pictures, let me know.
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I'm going to the Bald Eagle Knapp in tomorrow or Saturday I'm going to work on mine their
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My cousin is suppose to get here today. I received two boxes in mail a couple days ago. We should be able to come up with a point or two.
Really looking forward to Chipin with him again. It’s been to long
Bjrogg
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Patrick,I was hoping to get a couple knocked out this weekend, but work has other plans for me.
Guess I’ll just have to pull a coupe out of the zip bag for my guys
Tower
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Sounds good, Don. I'm sure no one will be unhappy with your points.
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Hi Patrick,
I have communicated with my trade partners, just to touch base with you. I'll be shipping mine toward the end of the time.
Thanks,
Parnell
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Alrighty.
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tracking shows mine was delivered to my recipient on June 28th..but no word from him at all... gut
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I'm going to finish mine up this weekend I need to touch it up and put notches in it
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It'll be close to finish line before I ship but I am working on something for PITH.
Paul
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Oooo-weee! Dammit son! I just got home from working in Ohio again, was on call the last two nights, and have not slept a wink since Wed. afternoon. Now I’m too jazzed to go to sleep, dangit. My new Kenetrex Mtn Guides were sitting in my garage along with a box from the Gutster! Love it man! Pretty flaking pattern that I did not do justice with photos, and you have to give details on how you did the nice hidden tang attachment.
Patrick, I was given a few boxes of some killer-diller mixed stone from an absolute treasure of a new friend and incredible human being here in Wheatland. I’m going to see if he minds if I tell his story on here…he may post on here or maybe he used to. I’ve decided his story/stories need to get out there after drooling slack-jawed in his trophy room at the many, many impressive species he mounted himself…including the current Wyoming typical no 1 mulie, the world number 4 Dall at the time he killed it, a stud Billie, Moose, mtn lions, monster Elk etc…..all taken with trad and primitive gear! Anyhoo…I digress. He can no longer knapp due to physical issues, and he gave me all his rock. I think some of it that I took some flakes from is Flint Ridge, as it is super pink with some blues…gorgeous stuff and holy Toledo does it flake like a dream. I’m going to dive into trying to make something beautiful and sharp for you tomorrow. Get me your full name and address here or via PM, and I’ll get something done and in the mail as soon as I can.
Here’s gut’s…I mean MY blade! Woot!
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Here.
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And here…
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Eric im not a big fan of deer jaws but they do feel great in the hand . They really match up well with blade. I am relieved it made it , was kind of worried ... the beauty of the deer jaw is its not hard to drill out a hidden tang . I could of wrapped it for looks but i kind of liked it naked ... its sharp too . Should gut or skin many a deer before it might need a touch up . Thanks for the kind words .. enjoy brother
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I like it a lot. I’ve wanted to use a jawbone for a handle, but I just haven’t had the right blade to mate with one. I like the non-wrapped clean-ness if it. Looks like it is from a 3.5-4.5 year old deer. Only complaint…wish you had put your maker’s mark on it somewhere. How am I supposed to profit off it when you get famous?! ;D
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Well dang we were supposed to sign them .. my bad .. actually if I remember on that one was a 1.5 cause it was growing new teeth . I had to glue them in . I sent one to a buddy here too and his was an adult but i lost the last tooth during sanding .. still can’t find that tooth lol
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Just finished mine it'll be going out Tuesday
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Don’t go out of the way to get it to me…I’m in no hurry for anything!
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Here are some points I made recently. And just a reminder, if you are having trouble posting pictures you can email them to me and I'll post them for you. jackcrafty2@gmail.com
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Nice knife gut.
Beautiful points Patrick.
I had a sweet one going last night. I had it almost done. Just a little indirect and pressure to finish it up. I guffed up and slipped first strike indirect. Tool slid up on point just as baton was making contact and I broke my point. Dang it was going to be a pretty one.
I’ll get back at it as soon as I can
Bjrogg
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thanks for compliment .. those pics IMO look pretty bad.. trust me it looks much better in hand..lol... I haven't heard from Yosemite Ben... hope he is OK... gut
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I haven’t heard from Ben yet either.
Was hoping to finish this one up for him but alas. It wasn’t meant to be.
Bjrogg
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BJ don't feel bad I had a point about 4 to 5 inches long and snapped about 2 inches off.
Mine is shipped it should be there by Monday.
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Good Morning!
Gut and SS I have not forgotten you! I am still a full time employee at the NPS. Work is the only place I get to work on things. I will get your points out next week. When you are a cultural demonstrator you get interrupted a lot my pesky people asking the craziest questions.
Ben
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Ben ,no worries brother just glad to hear you are OK... no rush man, if you don't make the dead line I'm good... gut
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I just recieved my point from Trapper Rob. Looks like it will get the job done
thanks. I'll post photo later
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Glad it made it Roger
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I will be shipping my box next weekend.
Paul
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Yosemite…don’t sweat it dood. Get it done in whatever timeframe it takes, I’m up to my eyeballs in getting an elk bow finished and buying too much gear to be worrying about a point showing up. Take your time.
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Shipped my package today.
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Ok...stupid question, but what does PITH stand for? I have "point in the hand" in my mind, but I know that't not right...right?
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Point in the hat
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Point in the hat
Ahhh! Much thanks!
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Found a package in my mail today. Thanks Eric!
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You are welcome. Of course, it's a little like baking some spaghetti and sending it to Gordon Ramsay, but I gave it my best with what I had.
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Nice Eric.
I have been really busy with wheat harvest and farming. I promise I will get a point done though. Sure wish I hadn’t broken the one I started.
Hopefully next week.
Bjrogg
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I have to get my daughter to send a picture to Patrick to post for me.
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Ok folks, it's time to see an uptick of "point porn." My wife and kids have been visiting the inlaws in Alabama for two weeks and don't get back 'till Wednesday, my bow is in the wrapped and drying phase of the sinew job, there are only so many arrows (shoots) that you can straighten at one sitting before you go permanantly cross-eyed, and I've nearly got the house "spring-cleaning" clean. I'm trying not to knapp anymore until after elk season, because I have a raging case of tendonitis/tennis elbow, and doing anything shocky like knapping will not allow it to heal...SO...I'm bored...SO...
Post some freaking pics already!
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Just in case anyone is having trouble posting pictures:
I've found it much easier to post pics from my iphone than from my computer. I have an iPhone 11, and my computer is a PC running Windows 10.
Use your smartphone to take your pics then sign on to PA.com then
1. hit "reply" to whatever thread you want to post a pic
2. add what you want to say like you'd reply to any thread on the forum
3. touch or click on "attachments and other options" bleow the text box you just typed your message in
4. Click or touch the "choose file" button under the bolded "Attach:" thingy that opened up when you did step 3.
5. A menu will pop up on your phone that says "Photo Library , Take photo or video, and Browse"
6. Touch "Photo Library"
7. Find the picture you want to post and touch it,
HERE IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION and this is where most folks are likely having trouble.
The picture you chose will enlarge to fill the entire screen and across the bottom of the screen, you will see:
"Cancel" "Actual Size (2.6MB)" "Choose"
If you click choose, and believe me you will do that even when you are aware that you shouldn't, the picture chosen is way too large of a file, and it will never post. So, you MUST...
7. Touch where it says "Actual Size (x.x MB)"
8. A menu will pop up showing the choices "Small (x.xKB)" "Medium (x.xKB) "Large (x.xKB) "Actual Size (x.xMB)
Choose the one that is as close to 250KB WITHOUT GOING OVER 250KB.
The file must be 250KB or smaller!
9. Once you touch the one you want that is less than 250KB, double check that is says the correct size at the
bottom of the pic and then touch "choose"
10. You can repeat this process 3 times by now touching "(more attachments)" and repeating the process for a total of four attached photos per post.
If you screw up and hastily choose a pic without reducing it's size and hit "Post," it will not post and you're screwed. I've found it easiest to completely leave PA.com website then come back, go to the thread I want to post pics on, hit reply, and start the process over. You will not simply be able to hit the back button to change the pic size that screwed you up....at least I haven't figured out a way to do that yet.
If you choose pics under 250KB, there is never a problem with them posting quickly to the thread.
If you are trying to do this on a computer: I have not found an easy way to post from my computer. When you choose a picture on the computer, it does not give the option to choose a size that I have been able to figure out. Therefore, it chooses the large pic file, and it will not post. The only way I've been able to post pics from my computer is to go into where I have the photo stored, click on it to edit it, and screw with it until the file size is less than 250KB. I don't like doing this, because it saves the pic as a smaller, less quality image on my computer at that point.
I have absolutely no clue what causes the pics to show up distorted and/or rotated, but it dosen't happen often enough for me to worry about figuring it out.
If anyone can enlighten us as to why pics post upside-down and distorted and tell us how to avoid it, please do so.
Hope this was helpful to someone...anyone.
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Mailed my points yesterday. SSRythms yours should arrive by Tuesday. Gutpile yours should be there by Monday according to USPS.
I have not been asked for an address.... I have also not heard from anyone about getting points to me..... There is some pretty work out there.
Ben Cunningham-Summerfield
Indian Cultural Program
PO Box 15
Yosemite, CA 95389
Yosemite Ben
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Mailed my points yesterday. SSRythms yours should arrive by Tuesday. Gutpile yours should be there by Monday according to USPS.
I have not been asked for an address.... I have also not heard from anyone about getting points to me..... There is some pretty work out there.
Ben Cunningham-Summerfield
Indian Cultural Program
PO Box 15
Yosemite, CA 95389
I think I asked Ben. Thought I sent pm to. I got it now though. I have been busy with wheat harvest but hopefully this week I can get time for a knap.
Bjrogg
Yosemite Ben
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This is the arrowhead TrapperRob sent to BonePile. )P(
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no worries Ben.. wished I would of known you worked in Yosemite would of enjoyed meeting you .. my daughter and I were there sept 2020. got smoked out though... gut
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Your points arrived today Steve, thanks! They are both excellent. I'll have pics up later this week. And I will ship out my stuff this week.
Paul
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I hope this works.. I got a package from Uncle Ben this morning. Geeze.. such a nice dacite blade and obsidian head ... fixed me up on some Yosemite patches too.. Thank you Ben... super sweet.. will put them to use brother... gut
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Well I had just a little time tonight. I did percussion on this point for Ben. At least I hope it stays together for him. This is attempt number 2
Bjrogg
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looking good Bj - good luck.
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Finally have my stuff boxed up and will ship out either tonight on my way home from work or over the weekend.
And pics of the points that Steve sent me...the one will be going on the end of a shaft if I can get a shaft to fly true :-)
Paul
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I reveived two sweet pieces from Ben. Unfortunately the tip was broken on the dacite point and some flakes had been chipped off the obsidian biface during the rough ride in the postal carriers' vehicles. I was able to superglue the tip back on to the dacite point, and you can't tell it was ever broken. The obsidian biface wasn't affected significantly at all. I'll try to post pics tonight, but I'm currently up to my eyeballs in multiple projects pulling me in far too many directions.
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Well I’m sure I could spend another couple hours on this one and make it nicer, worse or completely ruin it. Guess I don’t have the time to find out and it doesn’t look just to bad. I will try to get it sent out early next week Ben.
Bjrogg
PS any suggestions for what to sign black obsidian with.
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BJ I have used a glass etcher or a diamond tip etcher.
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I use GELLY ROLL pens to sign dark material. When it dries, I brush a layer of clear varnish (clear fingernail paint) over the signature because it will rub off easily.
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Alright everyone, we originally had a month to mail our points, starting on June 15th. It's almost the end of July. If you haven't received a point yet, let me know. I'll send you one. Let's wrap this up. :D )P( (SH)
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I received mine yesterday Patrick. I’m hoping to get mine sent out today or tomorrow.
Bjrogg
Also hoping to get pictures of the one I received posted
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enjoyed the trade this year.. gut
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Sounds good BJ. This was a good PITH this year, for sure. Thank you all for the great effort.
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I’m sent out. Should be headed to Ben.
Bjrogg
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Anyone interested in doing pith this year? I feel like I could actually contribute now.
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I'm in if we do it..gut
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I have been really busy but I think I could join in
Bjrogg
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Whelp we can give it a week and if no one else wants to do it we could do a three way trade.
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I’ll throw in for a point
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I’m in for one
Bjrogg
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I'm in for one. Is there any criteria about type or size?
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Whatever type , size, whatever your skill level doesn’t matter
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Alrighty. I say by Friday whoever we have in we will draw for names and then give it month like y'all did last year.
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Do you think we should start a new thread?
Bjrogg
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yes.. gut
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I'll get in for a point