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Title: S.O.B.
Post by: sleek on August 22, 2021, 12:16:42 am
Michelobe Ultra Beer is good.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 22, 2021, 03:32:01 pm
There are many beers out there that are good!  I think it is up to the drinker to determine which is good!  Mojam Ale is also good!  (lol)(lol)!  That reminds me, I have to pit some more in the fridge!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on August 23, 2021, 10:10:48 pm
The most satisfying beer I've come across was a beer made from an Egyptian formula thousands of years old.
Only ran across it once at a festival in San Francisco in the late 90's.
This was the drink rationed to conscripted workers on civic projects. It had a lot of nutritional value compared to modern beers.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: White Falcon on August 24, 2021, 02:49:08 pm
I'll pass.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 25, 2021, 02:58:53 pm
I think a brewer friend in Colorado has a similar beer in his taproom, or at least did in the old location.  Maybe I can talk him out of it! (lol)
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Deerhunter21 on August 25, 2021, 03:01:02 pm
i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.

I love my root beer and ginger ale tho
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on August 25, 2021, 03:37:04 pm
I'm partial to Fat Tire myself.  I enjoy some of the really strong ginger ales that are out there, too.   Russell, you can get do-it-yourself rootbeer kits that use compressed CO2 to carbonate (google it).  I bet if you got a kit and figured out the process, you could pretty easily figure out how to make your own alcohol-free concoctions.  Then you could send some samples to me as thanks for the idea.   ;D
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: mullet on August 25, 2021, 03:45:22 pm
I'll take an ice, cold Yengling, please. :OK
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on August 25, 2021, 05:07:50 pm
i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.

I love my root beer and ginger ale tho

Look up the "Swiss Family Robinson" novel and the part about the non alcoholic carbonated fruit drinks they made using sourdough bread dough to generate CO2.
It was apparently a not uncommon procedure in the 18th and 19th centuries.
IIRC they called it Hydromol or something like that.

I love old style Sassafras tea, never tried natural root beer though. The oil in the Sassafras root that gives it its punch is now a controlled substance, its the precursor to MDMA the drug known as Ecstasy.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 25, 2021, 06:17:05 pm
i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.

I love my root beer and ginger ale tho

Look up the "Swiss Family Robinson" novel and the part about the non alcoholic carbonated fruit drinks they made using sourdough bread dough to generate CO2.
It was apparently a not uncommon procedure in the 18th and 19th centuries.
IIRC they called it Hydromol or something like that.

I love old style Sassafras tea, never tried natural root beer though. The oil in the Sassafras root that gives it its punch is now a controlled substance, its the precursor to MDMA the drug known as Ecstasy.

The two major byproducts of yeast consuming fermentable sugars is CO2 and alcohol.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Deerhunter21 on August 25, 2021, 06:23:31 pm
Yeah, what JW said. To get rid of the alcohol I would need to boil or evaporate it off… by the time both those happen, all the carbonation is gone as well….

Ive looked into it before WB, it was always a backup plan, but I thought the idea of soda from yeast would be more, now I think I’ll just go with your option. I’ll definitely share my drinks with y’all, but home made soda is special, and best shared around a campfire with new friends. Here’s to hoping the marshalls rendezvous is happening next year!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on August 25, 2021, 06:34:17 pm
From what I've read, fermented drinks get fizzy before they develop problematic amounts of alcohol.  In pioneer days the root beer was fermented just enough to be fizzy, but not enough to get anyone buzzed.  That's when they gave it to the kids.

Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on August 25, 2021, 06:36:31 pm
i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.

I love my root beer and ginger ale tho

Look up the "Swiss Family Robinson" novel and the part about the non alcoholic carbonated fruit drinks they made using sourdough bread dough to generate CO2.
It was apparently a not uncommon procedure in the 18th and 19th centuries.
IIRC they called it Hydromol or something like that.

I love old style Sassafras tea, never tried natural root beer though. The oil in the Sassafras root that gives it its punch is now a controlled substance, its the precursor to MDMA the drug known as Ecstasy.

The two major byproducts of yeast consuming fermentable sugars is CO2 and alcohol.

While many more modern formulas for sourdough have yeast added the original method using naturally occurring Lacto-Bacillus without added yeast can be monitored according to temperature to produce acetic acid rather than ethanol.
In other words lots of CO2 and little or no alcohol if done properly.

IIRC the Robinsons merely poured the fruit juices over the working sourdough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourdough#Type_I_sourdough
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 26, 2021, 01:33:05 am
It is easy to catch natural yeast, just mix up a cup of water and a cup of flour and let it sit n the counter until it bubbles, stir occasionally.  I put a splatter screen over to keep out bugs, I think I will go to a finer mesh, though.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 26, 2021, 01:46:00 am
WB,
Try 90 Shilling from O'Dells and Saddle Bronc from Blacktooth (Sheridan?). Also need to try my Irish Red sometime!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Pat B on August 26, 2021, 12:35:27 pm
I'll have a Highland Brewing Gaelic Ale or a Sierra Nevada Momma's little yellow pils.   :OK
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on August 26, 2021, 02:22:10 pm
WB,
Try 90 Shilling from O'Dells and Saddle Bronc from Blacktooth (Sheridan?). Also need to try my Irish Red sometime!
Hawkdancer

Saddle Bronc is OK, and I like Irish Reds.  I'd be happy to help you free up a bottle or two if we ever manage to get to the same place at the same time.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 26, 2021, 03:08:28 pm
Pat,
Where is the Highland Gaelic brewed?  Oskar Blue's make a good Li'l Yellow Pils, Longmont, CO, too.

Thomas,
It's a deal!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Pat B on August 26, 2021, 05:33:53 pm
Gaelic ale is brewed in Asheville, NC. They have been in business for 35 years. You are right about Oscar Blues, Jerry but they also have a new brewery here in Brevard, NC that opened about 5 or so years ago. Sierra Nevada, also a Colorado brewery has a beautiful new brewery near Asheville, NC. My wife and I met a friend from Savannah there a few weeks ago. I haven't seen John for over 40 years when we met him there.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 27, 2021, 01:46:01 am
Wow! Old home week!  When you get to Colorado, check out Big Beaver in Loveland, my friend bought it last year, just as the lockdown hit, but has managed to pull through!!   
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Pat B on August 27, 2021, 01:55:40 am
Beer is a good respite from our recent troubles. If his beer is good, he should do fine. We probably have a dozen micro breweries in or near Brevard and Asheville has more. Most have done pretty well so far.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JEB on August 27, 2021, 12:37:35 pm

SOB

For a minute I thought you were going to say you got screwed by the same guy that screwed me on a feather grinder deal on here. Glad it didn't happen and that it is about beer. But it wouldn't have surprised me.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on August 27, 2021, 04:03:26 pm
Pat,  that is one thing I miss about Loveland - Ft. Collins!  There are at least 20 micro brewing operations, not counting New Belgium and O'Dells, and more if you include Longmont-Boulder.  I think I am the microbrewery here in Chappell! (lol)
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: TimBo on August 27, 2021, 10:54:46 pm
I second the 90 Shilling recommendation - that's my longtime favorite.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on August 28, 2021, 01:23:11 am
I'll have a Highland Brewing Gaelic Ale or a Sierra Nevada Momma's little yellow pils.   :OK

I suspect the name is a play on the old 1960's term for Valium, also known as Mother's little helpers.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Pat B on August 28, 2021, 08:38:30 am
That's it, Glmlls
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 30, 2021, 07:56:35 pm
I plan on boiling up a batch for the fermenter this Wednesday. I think I am going to try a kolsch using a Kveik yeast.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on August 31, 2021, 01:59:18 pm
During the presidential campaign, the local brewery made a seasonal beer called "Alternative Facts IPA."  The description went something like, "This is a great beer, a great beer.  Everybody that's tried it says so.  We have hops, the best hops.  And great malt.  Just fantastic.  Nobody has better malt than we do."

(Sorry if this is too political.  I thought it was funny)
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: sleek on August 31, 2021, 02:15:17 pm
During the presidential campaign, the local brewery made a seasonal beer called "Alternative Facts IPA."  The description went something like, "This is a great beer, a great beer.  Everybody that's tried it says so.  We have hops, the best hops.  And great malt.  Just fantastic.  Nobody has better malt than we do."

(Sorry if this is too political.  I thought it was funny)

Nah, that's just a joke  and works for both sides. I laughed, id drink it :)
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 31, 2021, 08:50:51 pm
During the presidential campaign, the local brewery made a seasonal beer called "Alternative Facts IPA."  The description went something like, "This is a great beer, a great beer.  Everybody that's tried it says so.  We have hops, the best hops.  And great malt.  Just fantastic.  Nobody has better malt than we do."

(Sorry if this is too political.  I thought it was funny)

Nah, that's just a joke  and works for both sides. I laughed, id drink it :)

Not me. I burned out on overhopped beers 25 years ago.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on September 01, 2021, 03:39:26 pm
I've noticed that a lot of "craft" or "microbrew" beers tend to be really, really hoppy.  They all kind of start to taste the same after a while.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JW_Halverson on September 01, 2021, 07:11:38 pm
I've noticed that a lot of "craft" or "microbrew" beers tend to be really, really hoppy.  They all kind of start to taste the same after a while.

When you have poor sanitation, lacking in skills in mashing/lautering, do not understand water chemistry, or have other glaring weaknesses as a brewer, you can always add more hops to cover the crappy taste of your product with more hops.

Kinda like how people with no knowledge of basic tillering skills are fascinated with making a Turkish composite bow or a 190 lb draw weight longbow. Gotta learn your basics first.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: TimBo on September 02, 2021, 12:21:01 pm
I have been holding off posting my 190 pound Turkish composite, hops-backed bow, but now I guess I need to get on it.  I can't draw it, but it does have an aggressive flavor profile with faint chocolate and citrus undertones.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on September 03, 2021, 11:03:35 am
I have been holding off posting my 190 pound Turkish composite, hops-backed bow, but now I guess I need to get on it.  I can't draw it, but it does have an aggressive flavor profile with faint chocolate and citrus undertones.

Bonus points if you make the bow itself out of bundled barley straw, like the cane bows in one of the TBB volumes (I forget which one).  Back it with hops fibers.  And serve it with a squeeze of orange...
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Strelets on September 06, 2021, 03:55:29 pm
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i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.
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Yes, but that "some" can be very low. Traditional English  fermented ginger beer can be well-carbonated but less than 1% alcohol. In England "ginger beer" is very different from "ginger ale", which is stronger both in ginger taste and alcohol.  Similarly, traditional Russian kvass is a fermented drink, which at less than 0.9% alcohol can be sold with no restriction, It is very refreshing , and I have drunk many pints of it on hot summer days in Russia without feeling any effects from alcohol. If you are worried about any amount of alcohol, don't eat yeast-leavened bread, because that contains some as well.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Deerhunter21 on September 07, 2021, 12:38:05 am
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i once looked into brewing my own sodas. The idea hit a wall once i realized i cant naturally carbonate the soda without some alcohol getting into the drink.
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Yes, but that "some" can be very low. Traditional English  fermented ginger beer can be well-carbonated but less than 1% alcohol. In England "ginger beer" is very different from "ginger ale", which is stronger both in ginger taste and alcohol.  Similarly, traditional Russian kvass is a fermented drink, which at less than 0.9% alcohol can be sold with no restriction, It is very refreshing , and I have drunk many pints of it on hot summer days in Russia without feeling any effects from alcohol. If you are worried about any amount of alcohol, don't eat yeast-leavened bread, because that contains some as well.

well honestly, it does come down to a religious thing... (which we dont want to get into on this site) and personal challenge. and in bread, all the alcohol has been cooked off.

Ive actually looked into kvass. it looks really interesting honestly. dont know if it would be my favorite though because Rootbeer trumps all!!!  ;) ;)   ;D
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Strelets on September 07, 2021, 10:19:15 am
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and in bread, all the alcohol has been cooked off.

So you might have thought, but analysis has shown that it can be as high as 1.9% in bread. The link is to results reported in 1926, but more recent analysis of yeast-leavened bread has come up with similar figures.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1)
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on September 07, 2021, 12:21:18 pm
An old friend now long deceased had a severe drinking problem, in large part because of constant pain from a genetic brittle bone disease.
He was treated with a chemical aversion therapy that resulted in him becoming violently ill if he attempted to drink any alcoholic beverage or even use a shaving lotion that had the slightest alcohol content.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on September 07, 2021, 03:32:37 pm
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and in bread, all the alcohol has been cooked off.

So you might have thought, but analysis has shown that it can be as high as 1.9% in bread. The link is to results reported in 1926, but more recent analysis of yeast-leavened bread has come up with similar figures.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1)

"Honest, ocifer...I've just been eating a bunch of *hic* bread!"
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Strelets on September 07, 2021, 03:41:37 pm
My drinking problem is to find enough time to brew it. I first brewed beer more than 50 years ago and by now I have worked out how to make it how I like, and no commercial bottled or canned beer will do for me. Although I am retired from work I am busier than ever, what with archery, fishing and maintaining a 400 year old house.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Pappy on September 07, 2021, 05:28:09 pm
Guess I am just odd man out here, I am more of a Miller Lite kind of guy . Pappy
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: sleek on September 07, 2021, 09:37:40 pm
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and in bread, all the alcohol has been cooked off.

So you might have thought, but analysis has shown that it can be as high as 1.9% in bread. The link is to results reported in 1926, but more recent analysis of yeast-leavened bread has come up with similar figures.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1)

"Honest, ocifer...I've just been eating a bunch of *hic* bread!"

Officer: I smell beer.

Me: No sir!  We were just eating deep fried frog legs. What you are smelling is the hops!
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on September 08, 2021, 12:32:59 am
Maybe that is why my wild yeast sourdough bread proofs so well! >:D (lol)
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Will Tell on September 08, 2021, 12:32:28 pm
Straub beer made at St. Marys Pa. No sugar for beer drinkers with diabetes.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on September 08, 2021, 01:50:29 pm

Officer: I smell beer.

Me: No sir!  We were just eating deep fried frog legs. What you are smelling is the hops!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: JW_Halverson on September 09, 2021, 10:02:10 pm
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and in bread, all the alcohol has been cooked off.

So you might have thought, but analysis has shown that it can be as high as 1.9% in bread. The link is to results reported in 1926, but more recent analysis of yeast-leavened bread has come up with similar figures.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1709087/?page=1)

"Honest, ocifer...I've just been eating a bunch of *hic* bread!"

Officer: I smell beer.

Me: No sir!  We were just eating deep fried frog legs. What you are smelling is the hops!

Bubba and LeeRoy are driving backroads on a Saturday night, drinking longneck beers out of a cooler fulla iceand water when they get pulled over. LeeRoy says, aw dang, I'm gonna get another ticket for open container. Bubba peels the label off his beer and says "Slap that there on your left bicep an' let me do the talkin'!

Officer: You boys drinkin' an' drivin'?
Bubba: Nawwww! You got it all wrong! My buddy LeeRoy here just quit drinkin'. Look at his arm...the Doctor done put him on the patch!
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: Hawkdancer on September 10, 2021, 01:25:38 am
You must be a redneck if your tattoo is a beer label >:D (lol) (lol)!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: WhistlingBadger on September 10, 2021, 01:50:09 pm
Guess I am just odd man out here, I am more of a Miller Lite kind of guy . Pappy

When the company's good, the best drink is whatever you've got.
Title: Re: S.O.B.
Post by: White Falcon on September 21, 2021, 09:38:46 am
Pass, I"m a Miller guy.