Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Cave Men only "Oooga Booga" => Topic started by: richpierce on May 11, 2008, 11:35:20 pm
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Do you feel "right" sometimes when you search for and find good stone for knapping, good shoots or cane for making arrows, good wood for making a bow, and when you are working on those projects? I guess what I mean by "right" is a sense that "this is what I was made to do."
I suspect that when we finally get away from modern technology and noise and return to tasks that use all our senses that were so necessary for normal life for much of our past, we connect somehow and get a strong "vibe".
Do you feel it sometimes?
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You Bet ! It probably is genetic. Most of the human race has been living that way since the dawn of man.for the most part,it has only been in the last 200 years that man has been techno dependent. In wood there is spirit as there is in stone,natural fiber and fur. Try to get a "Good" vibe out of anything plastic. (Am awful fond of my polar fleece though) Frank
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The only time I feel "right" is when doin' the things ya say. Rest of the time I feel like Iam just existing. :-\......bob
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try this walk into the woods find a plant ya dont know and sit there and stare at it. feel what happens to your body may take 15 min make take 2 hrs but dont stop till ya feel it. may be something in the pit of your stomach or a tingle in your feet. just pay attention. when you think your done go home and identify the plant and if its edible and medicinal properties. if you spent the time with the plant properly the feelings you had will coincide with the things you find out about in the books.
first time i ever did this was with a poisoinous plant called false hellebore. it was something i hadnt noticed before and i sat in the canoe staring at it. after a while i cramped up and decided the plant was not something i should touch or eat. did some research and found the plant was poisonois. so yeah i think its in us all. im more at peace in the woods than anywhere else
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Every time I am outside.At school with all the kids in my class that can't live without video games,ipods,and electricity I feel like that guy in all the paintings that's alone looking out over a ledge with a bow and tomahawk.It's very sad actually how much the other 12/13 year olds can't live without technology/modern crap.I would probably rather do without some of it.
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I feel the same way when I go more than a couple of days without doing manual labor. I think there are certain things that a healthy person needs. This is why so many in society are out of balance and looking for a chemical fix (I think). Nothing wrong with an office job, but a person needs to get out and work once in a while. Justin
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That's right Justin.
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Genetic Memory guys, like the Neanthradals(sp) in the Clan of the Cave Bear books.
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Rich, I know exactly what you mean-I'd say that's the reason that most of us are here.
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Plant identification by gastro- intestinal osmosis? :o :D
Ya'll are somethin' else.
I can identify with what Steve was sayin about the feeling ya get when doin things that bring fullness and fulilment to our lives. When something is right its just right. I certainly enjoy making my life more simple and exploring the ways our fathers did things. The whole "stare at a plant 'til gas makes yer tummy cramp" thing is pretty wacky.
Sorry, Jamie. Next time just take the book with ya and save yourself some time staring at a plant that may or may not kill ya if ya eat it. Wonder how many deer snuck up on you and sniffed your butt while you were staring at that plant.
Sorry couldn't help myself. ;D
I agree with Justin as well,( wow ) work and I mean physical work is important to a persons well being. I certainly get my fair share.
Chris
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Makes perfect sense to me RP. Geneticists say they have located a "truck gene" in the human genome that relates to why small boys gravitate towards playing with firetrucks and dumptruck toys and small girls don't exhibit this in the same proportion. For what it's worth.
Tracy
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A truck gene LOL is that a Chevy or a Ford gene ::)
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lol... I think Jamie might be on to something maby, I mean how dose the deer know what to eat and not to eat. Some of those plants you dont get a 2nd chance.
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ford ;)
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oh my god its in my blood. skipped a few generations from my blackfoot great grandmother to me but its certainly in my blood. i cant go into the woods without seein a bow or arrows or broadheads. it can be taught though, even when i shot compound i i couldnt wait till the next year to shoot a recurve or longbow and when i shot compound i was making arrows and small sapling bows, so distractions can be overcome and you can go with your blood and do what feels right! ;)
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Recesive genetics is what it is! Skipped numerous generations untill it landed on me. Father, nope! Grandfathers? Nope! Me, like a sledghammer!
My brow ridge is growing and I drag my knuckles on the ground as I walk. Cant look at a tree or stone and think what type of tool I can use. No longer use mettle to scrape the bark off saplings to make arrows but snap and obsidian flake in half and use that. Much sharper! Steel for arrowheads? Not this guy! Flint and obsidian only! If your going to kill a deer use what nature naturaly provides and then get the most out of it!
David T (Cro-Mag. in training!) ;D
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Ok Tiller you have me almost convinced now you have to give up the pretty smellin soap >:D Your Busted Dude :D
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I bet it is.I mean how do animals know what is non-poisonous and what is.
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I think this addiction we all seem to have is genetic. I also think that our love for wooden bows, arrows, stone points etc. is a reflection of what kind of people we are. We generally seek, and only want or need the simpler things in life. Most of us never buy anyhing we can make ourselves or take more than we need.
Another very common trait I've noticed among us is the lack of selfishness and the willingness to help others. I don't think these things are "learned". I think we're born this way. I know I've felt a connection to "organic" things for as long as I can remember.
I grew up in the outdoors, in a family that depended on fish and wild game for food and it would be easy to say that that's the reason I am the way I am. But many among us didn't, yet still feel the same as I do. So yes, I do believe it's a genetic trait buried deep within all of us that makes us the way we are.
Saw Filer
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Shannon, I do agree with ya! But, living in cities tends to beat the generosity gene down. I find I have to keep reminding myself its ok to give freely of myself. Seems if ya try that in a big city people think your weird or somethin. Oh! For an uncomplicated life and good friends to share it with! :)
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My parents told me when I was in my early teens that they thought I was born 1000 years too late , I told them I thought it was 10 000 years . Living in the city as I do and working a modern existance for a family that doesn't get it I understand where this ithread is coming from all to well .
regards Perry
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I think the generosity we share may come from the feeling that we've finally found "our tribe". In tribal societies, all is done for the good of the tribe- meat, whatever resources or materials found are shared.
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It must be. Primitive arhcery only appeals to a person with a romantic's soul, so primitive skills must only appeal to a person with a caveman's blood- right?
Makes sense to me.
But now I gotta go stare at some plants til i cramp up or they get up and run away in fear ;D
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ill have to try what jamie said, and about thinking "romantic" i can always be happy thinking of an indian 100 of years ago stalking a deer with a longbow and flint tipped arrows and know, i do it now, not so much deer with flint but other game. no better thought.
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Every time I am outside.At school with all the kids in my class that can't live without video games,ipods,and electricity I feel like that guy in all the paintings that's alone looking out over a ledge with a bow and tomahawk.It's very sad actually how much the other 12/13 year olds can't live without technology/modern crap.I would probably rather do without some of it.
amen i feel the same way
and jamie now when i am in my yard i start staring at plants now every time i see something i start to stare at it. Our class i going on a camping trip tommorrow and i cant wait to see the looks on their facing while i am doing this sort of thing. ;D
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Every time I am outside.At school with all the kids in my class that can't live without video games,ipods,and electricity I feel like that guy in all the paintings that's alone looking out over a ledge with a bow and tomahawk.It's very sad actually how much the other 12/13 year olds can't live without technology/modern crap.I would probably rather do without some of it.
amen i feel the same way
and jamie now when i am in my yard i start staring at plants now every time i see something i start to stare at it. Our class i going on a camping trip tommorrow and i cant wait to see the looks on their facing while i am doing this sort of thing. ;D
Wait till you too get older and keep on staring at different plants and then start making things out of them. The neighbors will be scandelized!
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ha ha :)
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Man you folks are wierd, I suggest you all make an appointment with Dr. Keenan immediately :)
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Tried Keenan Dana! But it seems like he's not helping but incouraging!!!
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I don't think it's really a bad thing until the plants start talking back to you.
Actually, it's only bad when they tell you to burn things.
Okay, it's only bad when they tell you to burn things that aren't sticks steaks ;D.
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Alright Kegan! Which of those plants are ya smoking??? Share and share alike!!! O:)
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;D
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leave it to ya'll to turn an honest answer to an excellent query into a joke ;D
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Its in my Genes! ;D
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abso-f^<%!n&-lutely.... this is the stuff of our ancestors... there for it is burned into our soul.......... and for all the speculation it is said that our dna is replicated from the imprint of the soul on the body.... anyhoo.. every time i draw a sharp edge across a peice of wood... my soul sings... every time a peice of rock flakes prettily iget all giddy... and when an arrow made by me from materials i collect shot from a bow i made hits that sweet spot for a double lung puncture i cry out in elation that my ancestors brought me this blessing
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WOW! Allalujah Brother!!!!! Praise BE!!! ;D
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dang bowmunkey, -diggin' the eloquence....As a science teacher, I'm 'sposed to relate it all back to DNA chunks and the proteins they code for. I definitely think Dana's spot on about genetic memory - all kinds of behaviors seem to be passed down- good and bad, sometimes we just can't help ourselves. I Think living in crowded cities, long commutes, indoor lighting, ect... puts stresses on us that cause different genes/hormone levels/thought processes to sink in, I think, masking the altruistic "do unto others" that is naturally present for small group survival. Doing "what comes naturally' restores the balance better than a "seretonin reuptake inhibitor' available from your local pharmacist, IMO.
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yes indeedaly... i hate living in a factory built world... yes i know hate is a strong word... but that is why i used it.... i would like nothing better than to build my own, make my own, grow my own, brew my own and even roll my own... but that time is long gone form the clutches of man unless you simply disappear from the eye of society... i am headed that way as soon as i can....
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One day not to far in the future I will be building my own home, putting in a garden, putting out the new solar cells when they come out in 2010, buying an electric car and saying so long to all the hullabaloo! Who says you need to depend on others for survival when there are ways to do it now. Me, self sufficiency, up to a point, is where I am heading.
The house I plan to build will be rammed earth bag construction with passive solar heating and a fireplace. Floors will be earthen floors. Then the defensive wall will go up around it 2 1/2 feet thick to keep out the tax man. I plan on disguising the defensive positions with flower beds and food crops. Please don't step on the landmines or trip the claymores! They are hard to replace!!! LOL!!! :o ;D ;D
Just joking! But I do plan to build my own home with natural material. Should be a challenge, but well worth the effort!
David T
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im with ya tiller...i have much the same dream.. but more a subsurface domicile... i just hope that things go well enough that those dreams come true for us all....
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Unless I get married I fully plan on living under a tarp or in a hole in the ground. Not because it's primitive. But because its cheap, and I'm lazy :D.
Of course, the need for money may arrise. For that problem I would just have the locals pay me off to not eat their pets/children. That's legal, right >:D?
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Unless I get married I fully plan on living under a tarp or in a hole in the ground. Not because it's primitive. But because its cheap, and I'm lazy :D.
Of course, the need for money may arrise. For that problem I would just have the locals pay me off to not eat their pets/children. That's legal, right >:D?
The young man has me worried! Better get him married off quick like so he can be tamed and trained by his better half! ;)
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much agreed.. i think some where there is a young city girl that is perty and smart that is enjoying her mysoace and planning on living in a suburban town with kids soccer and a minivan that is gonna meet this youngman and will turn his life right around.... sorry brother ... i really am
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;D ;D ;D
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much agreed.. i think some where there is a young city girl that is perty and smart that is enjoying her mysoace and planning on living in a suburban town with kids soccer and a minivan that is gonna meet this youngman and will turn his life right around.... sorry brother ... i really am
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marry a farm girl :)
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What, that's not a normal mode of life :D?
Hmm, suburbs. The "final frontier"....
If that's true the locals would be much relived that they don't have to worry about their children and pets getting eaten by the "Boogy-caveman" ;).
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Hy guys I think I'll build a ceremonial mound in my back yard for tribal sprimg water parties any one wanna help.
Cracker
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Ron, you supply the spring water and the plane ticket you gots yourself some help!
Kegan, you mean...Pat?
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Ron, you supply the spring water and the plane ticket you gots yourself some help!
Kegan, you mean...Pat?
The spring water I could probably handle far as trans you gotta get on your pony and ride. Oh well I guess this way I get to be chief. It's lonely at the top.
Signed Chief Cracker
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Kegan, you mean...Pat?
:D :D :D :D
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i have to agree i get a "vibe" and i really just forget about the world of now. it just feels right to work, shoot, build and knap. but to others i am wierd for takeing up old ways! ;D
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Definitely, we are hunter gatherers, that's my theory as to why people collect things...
If one of something is good then we like to collect many of them.
One Blackberry good, whole bag of 'em =pie ;D
Every Autumn I go blackberry picking and always find it therapeutic...
An when I walk in the woods I'm always alert for wildlife and bow staves or arrow shafts hiding in the trees.
Del
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Another blackberry picker! My wife and I pick them in Oak Creek canyon between here near Sedona. I absolutely ADORE the tourists who stop to see the creek when we offer them blackberries: "How do you know they're not poinsonous?!" LOL!!!!!! ;D
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Sedona's really cool - except for the teal macdonalds. ;)
Great article in this month's Nat Geographic about a hunter-gatherer tribe in Africa. The author is amazed at their complete lack of stress or worry. They sneak up on some baboons in the middle of the night and kill one with bows and arrows tipped with tree sap posoin. The author is so scared he pulls out and wields a 2-inch pocketknife :D They make him a bow the next day.
favorite line in the article: "[Large scale] agriculture is probably the worst mistake in human history"
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Watching Plants Jamie..... ???
When I am in the Woods watching Plants...and one of them Moves or Does something...It makes Me wonder ...
What this Crap was cut with... >:D
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Yes, the teal-colored Mickey McCrappy's in Sedona. My wife and I always say, who comes all the way to vacation in Sedona and eats at Mickey's McPuke's??? There are far, far better inexpensive eateries there. There's an Indian buffet (India Indian, not Sudbury Bow Indian ;D ) not far from Mick E. McColi that for I think it's 7 or 8 bucks you can stuff your face as much as you want. That's not much more money than a Value Barf at McCrappy's. Could you eat unlimited tandoori chicken at McPuke's? Noooo...
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hey mike..........bite me............ ;D
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What kinda Plant are You.....Bitterroot............... :P
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Dogbane =)
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Actually it is a recessive gene, that awakes in some, and not in others. Only because the others, have been programed not to. My whole family has always been woods oriented, hunting, and fishing was just what we did. When I was a kid, we went fishing, and hunting, as just a routine part of life. But it was a routine that was always looked to as a getaway. My Dad used to say, that the woods, would heal him. He would be sick, and go down to our cabin in the Big Cypress, and by the next day, you never know he was sick at all. I still say, you just can't beat a plain ol cane pole, and a can of worms, and a stringer of blue gills, or sunfish, stumpknockers, warmouth perch, etc., to just be relaxed to the max. Even if you don't catch anything. I love to ocean fish, but I am most at ease with the simple cane pole and can of worms. I love the swamps, and marshes, and I will miss them when I move to Montana next year, But I also feel at home in the mountains, and woods out there also. But it just feels right, like you guys said.
I guess you could say it is a tribal thing, when you are with other people who share the same love of the outdoors as you do. But I grew up with Family, and relatives who hunted and fished, all their lives, so I had no choice, not that I would have resisted. When I was a kid, I would take my bow and arrows, and get up early in the morning, and go hunting, and had no intention of killing anything, as there wasn't anything, but rabbits, unless I was to come up on a covey of quail, or some medowlarks,which by the way, are tasty. But it was just relaxing, to have that bow and arrows with me. Felt right. The rabbits down here are full of tape worms, and wolves. I have only eaten a few of the rabbits down here. That was when I was just a young boy. But yeah, it does feel right, when I am sitting down, and trying to knapp something, even when I ruin a nice point, and fling out a string of obscenities, and then calm down, and go back to another piece of rock. Any way, I have never sat down and stared at plant, or..... flashlight...... 8) But I guess I could try and see what happens, but I will be sure to have a roll of paper near by, in case I get cramps...... ;D Anyway, I do believe we all have a recessive gene, but some of us have just had the right stimulus to bring it out, like a family that hunts, and fishes, or finding that first arrow head, or watching someone make one, etc. ;)
Wayne
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This stuff is definitely in our genes. There has been some adaptation over the last 8000 years or so to the dietary changes of the Neolithic, but only after hundreds of thousands of years of adaptation during the Paleolithic. Modern humans are only slightly domesticated cavemen. The whole 60s-70s idea that the genders are psychologically the same, has largely been debunked. Men and women think differently, because we evolved differing roles as hunter-gatherers. Even how we find our way around is different: males tend to unconciously remember distances and changes in direction, while females remember landmarks. The male strategy is more useful for finding your way home after tracking game animals in unfamiliar territory, while the female strategy is more useful for finding your way back to seasonally recurring resource sites. In the modern context, my wife and I agree, that if we've never been there before, I should drive, because my seat of the pants navigation skills are second to none, but if we've been there before, she should drive, since she remembers the route while I act like it's the first time all over again. I have three sons, and my wife tried her best to shelter them from violence, and was largely successful. They are all very nice, gentle, boys, but they still naturally gravitated to guns, knives, bows, martial arts, etc. I told her that "they're my boys, so what did you expect?" My oldest would refuse offers for rides to school, not wanting to part with his time outside. Considering this was in Fairbanks Alaska and -35o it shows how strongly he felt about his outside time. All three have bows and study martial arts, because those are the sports that interest them the most. I think it hit me over 30 years ago, when I read a N. Geo. article on the ice age migration into the Americas. I saw the stone and bone points (especially the Clovis spear points), and fell in love with the ice age. The first thing I did was shatter a cow leg bone, and try to grind an arrowhead out of a splinter. After 20 years of fooling with compound bows and firearms, I'm right back full circle, playing with primitive bows and arrows. There's a caveman lurking in all of us, he just needs the right triggers to bring him out.
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I agree. When picking blackberries, my wife tends to find them better that I do. But when it comes to spotting an animal, I'm always the first to see it. But I excel at both landmarks and also distances/changes in direction. I was raised by women. ;D
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I always maintain, that I've never been lost. Temporarily misplaced perhaps, but never lost. ;)
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Jude, dude... I loved reading your post #60, made me wish I was away from this desk.
Del
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Thanks Del, I had to go look that one up. Glad to see you enjoyed the tale of my hunting prowess. ::)
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The herbologists will tell ya that herbs give off a vibration. Many people
will tell ya they have foods last longer in the refrig by keeping the fruit
separate from the vegies. Some specialists have taught that people shouldnt
eat fruit within fifteen minutes of vegies, as they take diff juices to digest,
'cause they're so diff. People have been napping when hunting, only to wake
up and stare right into a does' eyes who was staring right into theirs.
Ya, how do the deer know? And how does the alfa wolf know to take the heart?
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Square Shooter, actually fruit gives off a gas. If you have a starfish cactus, or a torch plant, and want to speed up the blooming process, just put a slice of apple or such, in it, and cover it with a plastic bag, and it will start ferminting, and producing a gass, which I forget at the moment, and it will induce the plant to start blooming. As for different juices for digesting, it takes acid to digest meat, or other protein, and a base, to digest starch. So if the vegetable is a starchy food, then it will take a base to digest it, but I believe it will also digest fruits and other vegetables, but so will the acid. The reason you feel so bloated after a meal of meat and potatoes, is because you are using both an acid, and a base. Vinegar, and baking soda reaction. Try eating meat, and non starch vegetables, or eating potatoes, and veggies together,and see the difference. Beans have both protein, and a starch. Which is why the lower venting process occurs...... :P
Wayne
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The gas is ethylene gas, given off by fruit as they ripen, I think to facilitate simultaneous ripening. Bananas give of a crapload of it, so if you want an avacado to ripen quick, stick it in a bowl with bananas. on the same note, it will cause vegetables to spoil faster. Orange growers used to think it was the heat in the ripening sheds that made the oranges ripen faster, then it was discovered that it was ethylen given off by the kerosene heaters that was responsible. Beans contain starch and protien together, and they also contain substances called starch blockers, that reduce the ability of your intestine to absorb the carbs, leaving them for the nice methane producing bacteria in your gut to feed on, leading to even more gas :P That can be reduced by tossing the soaking water, boiling the beans 30-40 minutes, then tossing the water they were boiled in. Cuts the cooking time of baked beans by about an hour too, you just have to reduce the liquid a bit from the recipe, cause the beans are precooked.
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Jude, I think Kathy, Eddie's wife told me to put a chunk of potato in with my lima beans to take the "Fart" out...... ;D
Wayne
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Butt Wayne ( ;D ) Farts are not Only Fun....They are Funny too.......... ;).... :P..... >:D.....
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El D, that is true, as long as they are your own. My Girlfriend and I have a understanding when we are in her car, or my truck, that when one has to vent, they roll the window down....Well I kept noticing her raise one cheek up, and then put it back down. So I said "did you just fart?" Shes says, " it doesn't smell. I said, how do you know? She said I just do. And it didn't smell. So I thought ok, two can play this game. I have been accused by fellow workers, at the FD of being able to remove paint. Well, I felt a little pressure, so I raised one cheek, and slowly vented. Well, it was a nose hair remover. She looks at me and said " did you Faht?" She's from Massachusetts, and she doesn't talk so too pretty good. I said, well, I didn't think it was going to smell......she said ok, two can play this game. I thought to myself, I just thought that earlier. Well we were on our way to a seafood restaurant, Called Dixie Crossroads, and their specialty is Rock Shrimp. We usually got the special, with a lobster, scallops, and rock shrimp, and we would substitute more rock shrimp for the scallops. We had a fantastic meal, and were heading back up to her house in Daytona where she lived at the time....oh, did mention that we were in her car? Well, after about 15 minutes, or so, I noticed a definite warmth around my ankles, and then it rose, and suddenly it jumped up my nose, and into my lungs, and started yanking on them, and then my stomach started to convulse, as I franticly started clawing at the window button :o.....But it wasn't working, I tried to open the door, it was locked, and I couldn't unlock it :o.....I desperately look at her while she is smiling and driving with one hand on the wheel, and the other hand on the control panel on her door, with one finger on the door lock, and one on the window lock! I told her she had won, and if she didn't unlock the window, I was going to puke in the floor board! She finally opened the window. I immediately stuck out my head, and breathed deeply, and then as the air finally cleared, enough to roll up the windows again, I immediately told her that I would roll the window down, the next time I felt a little pressure, even if I don't think it will smell....She still does the "it doesn't smell bit!" ::) But that one definitely DID! :o :o :P I was definitely going to lose my Dinner! :P
Wayne
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: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D too funny
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: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D too funny
I am surprised........... :-X
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On the subject of genetic memory, seems like I read that some people who had organ transplants started craving foods they had never cared for before. Checking with relatives of the organ donor they found these foods were the favorite of the donor.
I am supposed to be 1/8 Cherokee, can't prove it as the courthouse in Edgfield County SC burned around the turn of the century and my family history went up in smoke.
I used to think it odd that I am drawn to wandering the woods, subsistence hunting(no trophy mentality, just food), making bows and dark haired women. Now I know it is just my genetic memory kicking in and taking me where I am most comfortable.
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me too eric. id rather be building arrows, breaking rocks, following the stream.. but i prefer red haired women..
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I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy when it comes to women, must be my mixed ethnic heritage ;D
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i am too jude, but, if im gonna be seen in public, its gonna be with my tall redhead.
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My wife is part Seminole so I got me a dark haired women. When we were younger she liked to hunt, fish and could be memorized for hours just sitting around a campfire.
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My wife is 1/8 Blackfeet and otherwise of mixed French-Canadian/English background, with dark brown hair and a nice golden complexion. I'm of full French-Canadian ancestry (Quebequois), and nothing's well documented, but we know there's a bit of Abenaki floating around in there. I came out very "White" looking, compared to my father and brothers. When my youngest son was a baby, someone asked my wife what nationality the father was, because he was so dark. :D
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Jude......do you have a wood pile? ;D ;D ;D
wayne
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Ya never can tell, can ya? O:)