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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: superdav95 on September 26, 2021, 10:47:56 pm

Title: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 26, 2021, 10:47:56 pm
Hey guys.  To snake or not to snake?  Thatís the question.  I made this great shooter and tillered out really well.  It kept a good reflex and shoots like a rocket.  It pulls at 60# at 28Ē and bow is 66Ēttt. 65Ēntn.  Itís widest is just a hair over 1 3/4Ē tapered down to just under 1/2Ē tips.  Itís got dark ebony tip overlays.  The handle I kept really basic more in line with a style of pyramid bow.  At least as far as I figure.  Itís shoots my 450grain arrows 192fps. I shot it a bunch today and really love this bow.  Iím not sure how else to describe it as itís such a no frills basic bow.  I just love the way this shoots.  Had one of my molle bows set up for hunting with side mounted quiver all set and then I get shooting this thing in!  Iíve changed my mind Iím taking this beast instead.  Is this crazy or should I just start really practicing now with this bow.  Iím torn.  Decisions.   Decisions.   I now have to put a backing or paint or snake skins to break up the stark white of the hickory.  Iíll be using a beaver tail skin for the handle wrap once I make up my mind on a pattern or backing first.  Iím also debating on tru oil sealer or poly spray afterward to protect the skins.  Thoughts.  Suggestions????

Hereís a few pics
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 26, 2021, 11:15:18 pm
A few more picsÖ
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Don W on September 27, 2021, 07:57:51 am
Nice job. I hate snakes, so I don't do snake skin, but I like the looks of dyed rawhide. I'm going to try my hand at painting one as well. Whatever you choose, it'll be great.

I've use tru-oil a lot in the past for everything from firearms, to knives and bows, and it works really well, but I bought a can of marine varnish and really like it. I think it will provide a bit better moisture control.

Nice job on the bow and food luck in the woods
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Post by: bassman211 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:05 am
I use 5 coats of shellac, and wipe on min poly to finish. You can still radius the arrow shelf. Makes for easier arrow tuning. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 27, 2021, 09:21:40 am
Nice job. I hate snakes, so I don't do snake skin, but I like the looks of dyed rawhide. I'm going to try my hand at painting one as well. Whatever you choose, it'll be great.

I've use tru-oil a lot in the past for everything from firearms, to knives and bows, and it works really well, but I bought a can of marine varnish and really like it. I think it will provide a bit better moisture control.

Nice job on the bow and food luck in the woods

Thanks Don.  Try oil is good stuff.  Iíve also been looking fir other other stuff too like spar urethane.  I like that I can get it in satin finish too.   As far as snakes skin.  I guess Iím in agreement.  I also hate snakes when they are alive.  I do however like the on bows.  Iím not a big fan of rawhide myself.  Iíll have to try it on one and then make my judgement.  As for this one I may just put the skins on as I do want a break up pattern on the back so as not spook the deer.  I think it would be cool look with the beaver tail handle wrap too. 

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 27, 2021, 09:28:12 am
I use 5 coats of shellac, and wipe on min poly to finish. You can still radius the arrow shelf. Makes for easier arrow tuning. Just a thought.

Bassman.   Yes I know the arrow shelf is a bit square yet.  Iíd been holding off until I made up my mind on adding anything on top of shelf or not like a sliver of horn maybe or price a ebony like on the tips.  I may just leave it wood and lime you said just radius it.   Thanks for the feed back.  Iím gonna go look at coating options today. 

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: bassman211 on September 27, 2021, 09:48:17 am
The sliver will work too. Nice bow.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: JW_Halverson on September 27, 2021, 05:04:28 pm


Nice job on the bow and food luck in the woods

 ;D

Are you hungry, Don, and thinking of grilled venison? That was a very interesting Freudian slip of the tongue wishing food luck.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Selfbowman on September 27, 2021, 08:58:19 pm
Looking good. Stain it. You pic the color.😁
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Don W on September 27, 2021, 09:10:52 pm


Nice job on the bow and food luck in the woods

 ;D

Are you hungry, Don, and thinking of grilled venison? That was a very interesting Freudian slip of the tongue wishing food luck.

 ;D
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 27, 2021, 11:44:36 pm
So I decided to add the snakes!  It turned out alright I guess.  Still little more clean up to do and some artwork touches to add but they are on and drying.   
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: bentstick54 on September 28, 2021, 12:04:39 am
Great looking bow. I like the looks of the snakeskin also. Iíve put rattlesnake on 2 osage, and copperhead on 1 osage. I use Truoil on all mine, then a light spray of satin poly over that to dull the shine on the ones I hunt with. So far it has worked well for me.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 28, 2021, 06:54:30 pm
Thanks bentstick.   

I was planning to put spar urethane on it that is a brush on satin finish.  I never thought to use poly spray.  Would it be ok over top of the true oil?   Iíll have to consider this as the finish using the spray will be nicer as I plan to hunt with this bow.  Can it come in a matte finish?

Thanks again

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: BowEd on September 28, 2021, 07:11:13 pm
Dave.....
Epifanes has a spar wood matte finish in conjuction with it's gloss finish that gives a dull matte finish to my bows.It's a top quality spar varnish.Dries completely within a couple of days too.All depending on humidity of course.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Tradcraftsman on September 28, 2021, 09:37:36 pm
Very nice, but you have to tell us about those fancy looking sticks in the back ground.  ;D
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 28, 2021, 11:12:00 pm
Dave.....
Epifanes has a spar wood matte finish in conjuction with it's gloss finish that gives a dull matte finish to my bows.It's a top quality spar varnish.Dries completely within a couple of days too.All depending on humidity of course.

Thanks for the tip Ed.  Iíll have to see if I can source some of that. 

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 28, 2021, 11:25:10 pm
Very nice, but you have to tell us about those fancy looking sticks in the back ground.  ;D

Thanks Tradcraftsman!  Good eye!  Yes those are a couple of my bamboo horse bows I made earlier this year.  I bought some horn off of Ed and just waiting for it to arrive and Iíve got a Turkish style horse bow Iím gonna belly lam with buff horn.  Iíll see how it goes from there if I will sinew the back or not. I guess to see how well or poorly it goes before wasting too much time and good sinew and horn. These bows shoot well now just using heat treated bamboo slats.  Hoping for some testing out some ideas in near future with these guys.  We shall see.  Iíll be sure to post some results.  Hereís a few pics of those ďsticksĒ.  Ones a 40lbs and the other is 50lbs at 30Ē.  Both shoot very well. 
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: bentstick54 on September 28, 2021, 11:34:08 pm
Dave, yes I have had good luck just spraying Deft brand poly Satin finish over Truoil. I have always thought satin and matte where basically the same in the dullness factor, some brands call it satin, and some brands call it matte. I could be wrong on that though. Locally I have only found the Deft brand stocked in satin, semi-gloss, and gloss. I have one snake skin backed bow thatís probably 5 years old and has been shout 1000ís of times and finish has held up well.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 28, 2021, 11:36:22 pm
Hereís a short video of the 50lbs bamboo bow shooting 450grain arrow at 30Ē draw.  194fps isnít bad.  The 40lbs is no slouch either at 185fps at same draw length with same arrow. 

Hereís the video link

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Q1LsQ27LzrPuaeD8

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 28, 2021, 11:38:59 pm
Dave, yes I have had good luck just spraying Deft brand poly Satin finish over Truoil. I have always thought satin and matte where basically the same in the dullness factor, some brands call it satin, and some brands call it matte. I could be wrong on that though. Locally I have only found the Deft brand stocked in satin, semi-gloss, and gloss. I have one snake skin backed bow thatís probably 5 years old and has been shout 1000ís of times and finish has held up well.

Ok. This is awesome.  Just what I want to hear.  Iíve been wondering how to really protect these skins now.  Good stuff thanks again

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: bownarra on September 29, 2021, 03:26:31 am
Next bow try Tung oil. It has superior warer resistance and has none of the issues varnish has :)
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: BowEd on September 29, 2021, 03:30:23 am
Epifanes has a tung oil base.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 29, 2021, 10:00:16 am
I actually have some tung oil and have used on a couple bows.  I wasnít sure about it as it seemed quite thin.  But now that I think of it it may work really well as a penetration first layer then apply the finish coat of spar urethane (epifanes) or other brand.  Am I limited to tung oil based products as a finish coating if I use the tung oil first?  Hereís the tung oil I have.  It says interior use only though. Do you think it matters?   
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Stixnstones on September 30, 2021, 07:01:06 pm
Got a cool looking bow there.... been using 8 coats of tung oil on all my bows without issue. Cant wait to see that beauty all dolled up and bent to full draw
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on September 30, 2021, 07:12:09 pm
Got a cool looking bow there.... been using 8 coats of tung oil on all my bows without issue. Cant wait to see that beauty all dolled up and bent to full draw

Thanks stixnstones.  I ended up doing a light coat of the tung oil to penetrate as a base the a few coats of the spar urethane by Helmans.  Just waiting for it to dry now.  Iím gonna do some decorative paint with white and black along the sides. 

Cheers. 

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: txdm on October 01, 2021, 11:45:50 am
Beautiful bow! I didn't know hickory could work at 1-3/4" wide and not take set...esp without heat treat (seeing that the belly is pristine white). Was this a stave that you dried in reflex?
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 01, 2021, 04:20:19 pm
Beautiful bow! I didn't know hickory could work at 1-3/4" wide and not take set...esp without heat treat (seeing that the belly is pristine white). Was this a stave that you dried in reflex?

Thankyou. sir.  Yes the bow was clamped to a form and sun dried for couple weeks to get it to below 10% mc.  The form had a little reflex built in. Maybe around 3Ē or so.  I lost a tiny bit of this when tillered and shot in.  I did bake this one for about 3 hours over hot coals.  Wood removal on belly lighted it up quite a bit.  Still got the benefit of heat treatment though.  Hereís a pic of belly I stained or any finish
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: txdm on October 02, 2021, 09:47:48 am
Thanks for the details superdav95. I want to try baking one over coals someday, its the "hottest" new thing to do.  ;D
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 03, 2021, 05:26:53 pm
Hey guys. Here is a quick little video of me shooting this pyramid bow with a luminok on a carbon arrow.  Itís pretty fast for a piece of hickory! 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/S12ses1rReZaNmyP8
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 03, 2021, 05:35:34 pm
Just did a third coat of poly urethane and waiting for it to dry.  Any thoughts on some artwork along the sides of the limbs?  Looking for ideas.  Show me what you got or have done in the past.  Iíve rounded the shelf a bit more and still have to put the beaver tail skin on but coming along.  Let me know what you guys think I should do to break up the white sides of limbs. 

Cheers.

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 07, 2021, 11:55:54 pm
Finally finished up this bow!  Took a long time to dry.  Used an initial coat of tung oil and first layer then a few coats of spar urethane over the snake skins.  I noticed I had a few scale lifts and let it dry for a few days or more and then tried to lightly sand the rough edges off.  It was still too tacky. I let it dry few more days and then was good to go.  Not sure maybe humidity was a factor.  Sanded and made smooth then put several finger coats of tru oil more sanding then sprayed with poly satin finish.  I added some gold and black painted dots along the sides to spice it up and break it up a little bit.  Added the beaver tail handle and felt on the pass.  Iíll shoot it tomorrow and try and get some full draw pics.  Happy with the way it turned out even though it tried my patience with the length of time to dry. 

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 07, 2021, 11:58:07 pm
Few more picsÖ
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Post by: superdav95 on October 08, 2021, 03:07:13 pm
Some full draw picsÖ
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Deerhunter21 on October 08, 2021, 03:10:17 pm
killer bow dude! super clean and tiller looks good!
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 08, 2021, 03:15:41 pm
So I noticed today that at 82%+ humidity that this bow shot 10fps less on average.  It still shot well just slower prior to finishing with the snake skins and coatings etc.   I also noticed that the draw weight was 3-4 lbs less too.  I became curious and tested my other bows to see if it was just this bow that I messed something up.  All my other bows were the same on average 10fps slower.  It appears that humidity seems to play a role as far as I can tell.  Just an observation I made today after shooting during very high levels of humidity. 

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 08, 2021, 03:17:19 pm
killer bow dude! super clean and tiller looks good!

Thanks man it was a fun build. 
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Post by: WhistlingBadger on October 08, 2021, 03:30:36 pm
I like it!  Nice curve.  The paint dots really tie it together.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 08, 2021, 05:44:22 pm
I like it!  Nice curve.  The paint dots really tie it together.

Thanks Thomas

The paint was little time consuming but worth it. 

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Selfbowman on October 10, 2021, 07:53:18 pm
Very nice bow . Humidity will make them spongy in my opinion for what that is worth. Arvin
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Post by: bentstick54 on October 10, 2021, 10:31:56 pm
Turned out real nice.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: txdm on October 13, 2021, 04:54:38 pm
Hickory seems to love moisture. I use 5+ coats of spray-on Spar Urethane to try and seal mine.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: superdav95 on October 14, 2021, 01:31:58 am
Thanks guys!  I did put about 4 coats of spray on.  They were thin coats though I may add a few more to moisture proof it more.  Thanks again for suggestions.

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Allyn T on October 14, 2021, 08:17:36 am
Thanks guys!  I did put about 4 coats of spray on.  They were thin coats though I may add a few more to moisture proof it more.  Thanks again for suggestions.

Cheers

Dave

Eric krewson told me about a finish that is 2 ton epoxy cut with acetone that is supposed to be the bees knees of water proofing. You could ask him about replicating it.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Gimlis Ghost on October 14, 2021, 09:36:16 am
Fit for a king. Great work.
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Post by: superdav95 on October 16, 2021, 01:21:55 am
Thanks fellas.   Shot this bow a bunch today before the rain came and man this thing is whisper quiet and smooth.  Iíve also been trying out a new technique for shooting that a friend recently told me about.  Iíve been testing out the method that Iíll call drawing at eye level for lack of better term.  I typically draw to just the corner of my mouth as this is how Iíve always done.  All other aspects of form remain the same for the most part except the draw hand holding string is brought up to level of your dominant eye closest to the string and you look down the length of the arrow somewhat blurred by the string lined up with arrow.  You could imagine a peep placed here even. But we wonít say that here lol.   I tried about 100 arrows this way and the verdict is still out but I found my consistency was better. Still tweaking a few things with it.  Anyone heard of this technique???

Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: Don W on October 16, 2021, 09:01:21 am
I've heard of it. I've never tried it. After deer season I was going to play around with some different forms. I've heard of using a peep like you mentioned, but to keep it more traditional, just use a thread marker. Same thing without the need to keep the peep in the right direction.
Title: Re: Pyramid bow.
Post by: txdm on October 22, 2021, 02:40:14 pm
I've heard of doing it, and I tried it some, but I could never find a consistent anchor spot. My biggest drawing/anchoring improvement came when I started really pressing my cheek fat enough so the bone in there contacted my knuckle bones...that and getting my bow arm shoulder under control.
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Post by: gutpile on October 22, 2021, 03:18:21 pm
looks very nice.. gut
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Post by: superdav95 on October 23, 2021, 12:44:56 am
looks very nice.. gut

Thanks man!
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Post by: Will B on October 23, 2021, 09:05:25 am
Beautiful pyramid bow!  Very nice bend and finish work.