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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Kidder on February 23, 2022, 10:41:19 pm

Title: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on February 23, 2022, 10:41:19 pm
Welcome to the 2022 Primitive Archer Bow Trade! The purpose of the trade is to share our skills with our community here and make the BEST bow you have ever made for your recipient, and to have a lot of fun along the way! It really should hurt a little to send out your bow. This trade is about the bow you build, not the bow you receive. If you do not share this philosophy, then please do not sign up.  If you do share this then, let's get building!  The rules for the trade are listed below.

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  Please read this entire post before signing up so you know what you are getting into.  Here is how to sign up:

1.  Send me a PM with the following information:
     Full Name
     Full Address
     Email Address
     Telephone number
     Which Country(ies) you will ship to
ALSO PLEASE INCLUDE A LINK TO A SUCCESSFUL COMPLETED BOW YOU HAVE POSTED HERE - IT WILL MAKE MY LIFE EASIER!


2.  Reply to this post with, I'm in and include bow specs preferred
     Example:  LH or RH
     Draw Weight 45-55 pounds
     Draw length 27 to 29 inches

Here are the rules:
A.  In order to sign up, you must have posted at least one successful bow on this site.  Please don't be offended if I ask for verification.
B.  All participants in this trade need to participate in the thread and post pictures of their progress,  Start out by posting a picture of the stave, staves, board, billets, etc. that you plan to use for the build.  then continue to post progress of your build. If a participant does not post the progress of their build then it is up to my discretion to remove them from the trade (I only do this after several failed attempts to communicate with you several different ways!)
C.  No bows should be shipped to someone that is not making progress on their bow.  If you are done with your bow and ready to ship, please be in touch with me to help decide if you should ship or not.
D.  Any participant that chooses can also build a second bow to be used as a reserve.  The reserve bows will be used to ensure that ALL participating members get a bow.  Please let me know if you plan to build a reserve bow so if it is needed I know who to contact.
E.  Deadline for signing up will be the end of the day, March 11th. 
F.  Shipping deadline will be Wednesday, October 15th 2022.
G.  Have fun.
H.  Communicate with me.  I understand things happen that can keep you from building a bow.  If this happens, the sooner you can let me know, the better.  I can then reshuffle the trade and everything can work out.
I. As an incentive for your hard work, if you finish your bow on time and meet the shipping deadline your name will go in the hat for a drawing. I haven't decided what it will be yet, but it'll be exciting - maybe a book, or a hand tool, or arrow shafts, or a jar of honey from my bees...we'll just have to wait and see! Last year Selfbowman graciously agreed to build a bow for the incentive raffle and it
turned out beautifully! If anyone would like to build an incentive bow please let me know!

Iím going to participate and here are my stats
RH
26Ē draw
45-65 lbs

Let's make this a great trade!

Thank you.

Brendan
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: Kidder on February 24, 2022, 10:04:24 pm
Here is the rolling list of who has indicated they are in and I have received the info needed to proceed. If you donít see your name I have either not gotten to adding it or I am missing something so check your inbox

Kidder
Ssrythm
Superdav95
Mo_coon-catcher
Mafort
Flntknp17
Jakesnyder
Swampman
Stuckinthemud
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: ssrhythm on February 28, 2022, 12:11:09 pm
Iím in.  The bow Iíll make will be an Osage similar to the two Iíve posted on here, but Iíll try to make it a self bow or rawhide backed in case itís going to a more humid environment.

Stats for the bow someone will make for me:

Right Handed
55-63 lbs @ 28Ē

Kidder, you may want to sticky this thread!

Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: Deerhunter21 on February 28, 2022, 03:38:26 pm
im on the fence right now! i got some nice staves and i finally feel confident enough to make a decent bow! I think ill wait a little bit to sign up but im excited to see the bows people make!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: superdav95 on March 05, 2022, 01:11:50 am
Iím in as well.  Iíll send you a pm too with details.  Should be fun!

Rh
50-60lbs
29Ē draw

Iíll likely do a stiff tipped recurve or static out of hhb or hickory that have been seasoned in the shop.  If time permits I may sinew back it and or raw hide back. 



Cheers

Dave
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: Kidder on March 07, 2022, 11:50:40 pm
Well, since no one has volunteered to build an ďon timeĒ bow I have opted to donate to the cause. The prize this year will be a dozen surewood premium Douglas fir shafts. Unfinished and cut to 32Ē spined at 50/55#. In my opinion these are the best all wood shafts on the market. To be in the drawing all you have to do is sign up and complete your bow, being ready to ship by the deadline.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 08, 2022, 01:09:14 pm
Iíve been on the fence on whether Iíll have the time but this trade needs more people. So sign me up.

Right hand
50-70# draw weight
26-28Ē draw length

Iím not sure what Iíll make yet.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up open
Post by: Mafort on March 08, 2022, 03:06:01 pm
Right hand
50-100lbs. (Surprise me)
26Ē-28Ē draw length

Thinking Iíll use vine wood pyramid bow or yew wood flat bow. Maybe do something sinew backed
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closes March 11
Post by: Flntknp17 on March 10, 2022, 03:26:22 pm
I'll join the trade again this year....

RH
Draw Weight:  Not picky.....anything 35-65
Draw length: 27 to 28 inches
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closes March 11
Post by: Jakesnyder on March 10, 2022, 06:10:12 pm
I'm in!!!
 LH 50-60lbs 24"-26" draw


I've strategically placed staves in different buildings so I don't have a repeat of last year.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closes March 11
Post by: Swampman on March 11, 2022, 03:45:56 pm
I am in.

RH 40-70 pounds with 26-28 inch draw.

This should be fun!

Mike
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closes March 11
Post by: stuckinthemud on March 12, 2022, 05:39:26 am
Last second, but if there's any way then count me in,

L/H (or ambidextrous)
35-40 pounds at 24 or 25 inch

Andrew
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closed
Post by: Kidder on March 12, 2022, 03:42:37 pm
Alright all building assignments have been made and sent either via PM or text message. If you didnít receive an assignment please let me know.  Letís make this a great build! Remember to post progress pictures - the more the merrier. A lot of the fun of this trade is the group build along nature. It also really helps me ensure everyone is moving forward. So letís get building!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - sign up closed
Post by: Kidder on March 12, 2022, 05:29:43 pm
So I will be doing 2 bows this year - an A and a B. The first will be bamboo backed yellow heart flatbow. This bow will be 1 1/4 - 1 3/8 wide asymmetrical. The second will be a yew American flat bow that will just have to tell me what it wants to be. Itís got 45 degrees of propeller twist so that will be a challenge. I have no experience with yellow heart and minimal experience with yew, so itíll be a challenge. Iíll send the best to my recipient. And if those fail my fall back will be boo backed Osage, but that is kind of boring.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Buckskinner on March 12, 2022, 06:50:19 pm
Looking forwards to watching this transpire! After a few more under my belt I might join in.  Great idea whoever thought of it...
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on March 13, 2022, 11:16:24 am
I roughed out an iron wood stave this morning.  It is a real nice piece of wood so hopefully I can do it justice.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on March 14, 2022, 04:30:39 pm
I'm going to be working on a BBO with Padauk and bocote accents.  I glued up the handle parts, made the powerlam, flattened the boo, and glued up the Perry reflex.  The bow is now out of the glue-up an ready for initial tillering.....hopefully it goes well.  This piece of osage has a history of making great bows so hopefully I can do my part and not let it down.

Matt
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on March 14, 2022, 04:31:15 pm
....glued up
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on March 14, 2022, 04:32:15 pm
Handle before boo and powerlam....I love bocote
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 14, 2022, 06:28:56 pm
Man thatís gonna be nice Matt!  canít wait
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 14, 2022, 06:30:14 pm
I roughed out an iron wood stave this morning.  It is a real nice piece of wood so hopefully I can do it justice.

That is very nice and straight for iron wood!  How big was the tree you took this stave from???
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on March 14, 2022, 06:37:21 pm
I roughed out an iron wood stave this morning.  It is a real nice piece of wood so hopefully I can do it justice.

That is very nice and straight for iron wood!  How big was the tree you took this stave from???

If I recall that stave came from about and 8 inch tree that grew in a valley below a bunch of taller trees. I made one other bow from this tree that turned out pretty nicely.  Hopefully this one will turn out too.  I do recall cursing a bit while splitting that tree into staves.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 14, 2022, 08:48:01 pm
Thatís a good size for iron wood.  At least for around my neck of the woods.  Most of the trees I find are smaller diameter and a chore to find straight (ish) grain
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on March 14, 2022, 11:20:16 pm
Working this squirrelly vine maple stave into shape.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 15, 2022, 12:19:08 am
Selected a nice clean seasoned hickory stave and roughed it out.  So far so good!  Itís 64Ē ttt. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 15, 2022, 11:45:17 pm
Going to do flipped tips backed with Buffalo horn on this bow which will look sweet.   Got more drawknife work done today on this bow.  Keeping thicker tip sections last 8Ē or so at single growth ring for when I steam bend those tips.  Nice clean dry piece of wood.  Should be nice. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on March 16, 2022, 01:32:00 pm
Now THAT is a beautiful piece of hickory!  I really enjoy working with hickory, but I haven't ever had a non-lumber stave that nice and clean and straight.  Should be really nice.

Matt
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 16, 2022, 07:24:28 pm
Now THAT is a beautiful piece of hickory!  I really enjoy working with hickory, but I haven't ever had a non-lumber stave that nice and clean and straight.  Should be really nice.

Matt

Thanks Matt.  I harvested this last spring and bark just peeled rite off.  Did t have to fight with it at all.  This stave came from larger tree that was fairly straight.  Shagbark hickory works very well for bows. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 16, 2022, 07:32:02 pm
Some updates on this build.  Boiled and curved the tips and clamped down to let dry for a
Few days.

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 17, 2022, 02:39:07 pm
Iíll have to make a trip to pickup my materials, but Iím thinking about doing a trilam. Bamboo, cherry core, and persimmon belly. Iíve been curious of that combo for a while. Iím not sure whether flip tipped bendy handle, or more of a hill style flat bow with glued in reflex. Once materials are in hand (or get a response on here from my recipient) Iíll decide. Iím leaning towards the bendy handle.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 19, 2022, 01:24:14 pm
Made some progress on this piece of hickory this morning.  Did the heat treatment early in am and removed it from the form once cooled down about an hour.  Pictured is my little heat treat jig for my heat gun.  Itís getting a little charred from use.  Will let it acclimate and rehydrate a bit before going any further with it.  It held a real nice reflex baked in.  I left the end of the tips a little long so Iíll trim those off later.    Progress!   

Cheers. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on March 19, 2022, 01:37:27 pm
Superdav95 youíre cracking right along - thatís going to be an awesome bow! Mo_coon-catcher (and everyone else) recipients donít know who is building for them. Just an fyi but I did have some questions about that.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 19, 2022, 01:56:00 pm
Superdav95 youíre cracking right along - thatís going to be an awesome bow! Mo_coon-catcher (and everyone else) recipients donít know who is building for them. Just an fyi but I did have some questions about that.

Thanks kidder!  It was a particularly nice piece of hickory so I need to do it justice.  So far so good.  At least this way I may have time do another if I have an unexpected failure. 

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on March 20, 2022, 01:57:19 pm
So i cut this sugar maple down several weeks ago. Im going for an inuit sinew cable backed bow (similar to the one just found not long ago) I think itll do good where it will be going. I know some might be saying "several weeks old" but ive quick dryed sugar maple quite a few times with great success. And none or very little set. But at the end of the day im not going to send out a piece of junk so if im not confident in it i have some seasoned osage id use.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 20, 2022, 02:45:29 pm
Jake. That should be a cool looking bow!   Iíve yet to do one of those.  Will be anticipating this build. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on March 27, 2022, 01:38:42 am
Got my glue up taken care of this evening. Iíll probably let it sit in the form for a couple days before I take it off. Ive let them sit anywhere from 24 hours to a couple weeks and havenít noticed any difference in held reflex, which makes sense given that it is entirely a function of glued in reflex. Bamboo backed yellow heart with an ornamental cherry riser and power lam. The cherry was a tree I took down in my yard and had saved for smoking and ended up instead making things from it, such as this or spoons. It has the most amazing smell when worked - like nothing ive ever smelled before. Aside from the fact that Iíve never used yellow heart, my only concern is a tiny belly knot. Almost more of a swirl than a knot, but Iíll do my best to leave it ever so slightly stiff in that spot and keep my fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Selfbowman on March 27, 2022, 10:11:12 am
Nice bow superdave . Looks great.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on March 27, 2022, 01:51:05 pm
I decided to work on a few other options so if one fails I have other options. I just chased a ring on this 70 inch black locust stave.  I will work on roughing it out later today.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 27, 2022, 09:13:04 pm
Swamp man.  Looking good so far.  Iíd love to get some black locust to make a bow.  We donít seem to have a lot of it around me here.  Best of luck with your build!   

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on March 29, 2022, 03:27:38 pm
Iíll upload progress pics when I can. Was in a car wreck on Sunday and pretty banged up.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 29, 2022, 08:09:50 pm
Iíll upload progress pics when I can. Was in a car wreck on Sunday and pretty banged up.

Thatís sucks man.  Hope you recover soon. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on March 30, 2022, 01:07:43 am
Made some more progress on this bowÖ. Shot it a bunch after tillering it and it shoots sweet.  Very smooth shooter.  I still may do a backing on it.  Iím not 100% sure yet maybe hide back or something.  Itís dimensions are 65 1/2Ē ttt and 64Ē ntn and weighs 528.80gr.   Added the overlays which dressed it up a little.  I had some scrap pieces of Buffalo horn and blood wood pieces left over from a knife build last year that I used.  Turned out pretty nice I think.  The handle will be a leather wrap when done with deciding on stain or finish Iím gonna use. The bow held around 4 1/2Ē reflex after shooting today.  After about 30 mins it creeps back to about 5 1/2Ē reflex.  Iíll do another shooting session tomorrow when warmer out and see what Iím left with then.  Suspect Iíll end up with about 3-4Ē of reflex when it settles in to its permanent shape and set.  Not too bad.  The top recurve tips out to the side slightly when braced but is perfectly straight when unstrung.  Thatís wood I guess.  Still shoots very well and wonít mess with it.  Even though my ocd wants me to. Without giving too much away at this point thatís all for now.  More to to come.  enjoy the pics.

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on March 30, 2022, 03:04:20 am
Dang Superdav95 you are cracking along! That is a beauty too! You definitely win the award for most progress! The rest of us slackers need to take note.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 01, 2022, 01:35:05 pm
Dang Superdav95 you are cracking along! That is a beauty too! You definitely win the award for most progress! The rest of us slackers need to take note.

Thanks kidder.   Thereís still lots of time. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 01, 2022, 01:43:55 pm
Made this bow to be within a very specific poundage range.  I ended up a pound or two just short of my target draw weight after shooting in.  Bow still shoots very well and holds some reflex.  I added a 4 layer hog gut backing to see if it would push it to my target draw but after all said and done it lost a couple pounds.  Unfortunately this will not do so Iím left with a decision to start another bow and set this one aside to finish up later. My other option is to shorten this bow an inch on each side and see if itís with in my specs needed.   So close but close only counts in horseshoes.  Oh well it was a fun build either way.  If I shorten it it will loose some of the recurve feature and be more like a flipped tip style.  I may go for it and see.    Iíll post updates soon. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 01, 2022, 05:58:01 pm
Took an inch off each end and made my draw weight.  Hereís a few pics of how it looks now at 62 1/2Ēntn.  Doesnít look much different actually.  Shoots about the same just a smidge shorter.

Cheers. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 01, 2022, 08:31:24 pm
Thatís awesome - very nice bow Superdav95! You win the award for the fastest bow in the history of the trade (and not just some quick hack job either, that thing is a beauty). You have your bow almost done before a bunch of members have posted their stave pictures! I guess the rest of us need to get going!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 01, 2022, 10:19:56 pm
Thatís awesome - very nice bow Superdav95! You win the award for the fastest bow in the history of the trade (and not just some quick hack job either, that thing is a beauty). You have your bow almost done before a bunch of members have posted their stave pictures! I guess the rest of us need to get going!

Haha. Thanks kidder.  I figured Iíd get a good start and just kept going with it.  Lol.  Thanks again. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 02, 2022, 04:14:45 pm
Making some progress today. Got her braced and my grip shaped up. Havenít decided if Iíll leave her bare or give her a leather grip. Looks like the belly knot I was concerned of will likely be gone once Iím done finishing, so thatís a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 02, 2022, 06:29:58 pm
Thatís lookin very good.  Lookin forward to seeing moreÖ. 

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Stickhead on April 02, 2022, 09:27:23 pm
Lookiní good, Dave!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 03, 2022, 02:36:42 pm
Not to be outdone by Superdav95ís progress I got at it. Got it tillered to 50lbs at 27.5 inches. I left the bottom limb slightly stiff in the mid as there was it had the remnants of a knot there. I may still open that up a bit. Shot it in this morning - shoots very soft and quiet. So far itís got a little string follow it picked up immediately after unstringing and we will have to see where it sit in an hour or so. Shot it through the chrono at 155-158 fps at around 27 inches  with my hunting arrows (right around 10 gpp). Iím will say that yellow heart is very interesting wood. I read a number of articles and posts about it going into it and heard everything from it being very stiff and elastic and dense to light, soft, but still elastic. The piece I have is definitely lighter and softer - probably a lot like yew for weight and hardness. Sands extremely easily much like ERC. Almost feels like shooting a rubber band. Overall seems to be an ok wood. For my second bow build I had a change of plans. Going with a boo yew instead of a yew self bow. Got it glued up and ready to come off the form today.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 03, 2022, 11:23:46 pm
Haha. Nicely done. You got after it for sure!  Looks great btw.  Iím gonna do up a bamboo bow next myself as a option for the trade also. I may just build it and see what guys think and decide then which to give in the trade.   

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on April 04, 2022, 01:26:07 pm
I realized yesterday that I had to get back to building bows to complete my trade bow!  I took a break of a couple months from making bows to concentrate on finishing a from-scratch fiddle that I have been working on for a little over a year.  Finished the fiddle Saturday, cleaned the workshop, put away the luthier tools, and got out the bamboo-osage blank I glued up recently.  Should be a nice looking bow.  I used the cut-offs from the bocote riser to make the tip overlays and got the bow to floor tiller.  Will put it on the tillering tree this week and hopefully shoot it before the end of the week. 

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on April 05, 2022, 03:02:29 am
That fiddle looks amazing
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 05, 2022, 01:49:40 pm
Lookin great so far flintknp   Looking forward to more updates.  The fiddle looks great too.   
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 05, 2022, 09:42:14 pm
I finally got started and made a little progress tonight. Iím going for a bamboo, black cherry, persimmon trilam. Using my handsaw I got a couple cherry lams ripped from a stave and a persimmon lam ripped. Then I split the remaining chunk of persimmon into approx 1.5ĒX1.25Ē for a pair of English longbows. The cherry is front profiles and I started on the profile of the persimmon before I had a small crack at a tip splinter off, so I super glued it back. Once profiles Iíll work on think my and tapering the core and belly pieces before moving onto the bamboo.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 06, 2022, 01:52:19 am
Gonna be an interesting build man. Canít wait to see progress pics.   Keep Ďem common. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 13, 2022, 12:44:10 pm
Looking for an update from people. A few havenít posted their initial stave yet (you know who you are!). Iím putting the final finishing touches on option ďaĒ (bamboo backed yellow heart) and am shooting in and sanding option ďbĒ (bamboo backed yew). Neither is perfect but both are shooting acceptably.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on April 14, 2022, 05:52:44 pm
Yeah , I know who I am, I have a nice but narrow yew stave and a couple of very nice apple lengths, all of which will do draw weight and draw length.  I also have a really nice wych elm stave but itís 49Ē long so wonít make draw length. I might still make a bow from it as I fell a little bit in love with the elm shorty linked in his Dano thread by Marc St Louis
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Selfbowman on April 15, 2022, 08:26:32 am
Very nice work Superdave
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 16, 2022, 06:06:39 pm
Iíve shot in what is now my primary trade bow. Itís lost itís reflex and settle straight at a fully relaxed state. But shot it through the chrono. Get upwards of 175 with my heavy hunting arrows at the intended draw of 55 at 27.5. So thatíll work.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 16, 2022, 11:51:46 pm
Nice numbers. That will work. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 16, 2022, 11:52:15 pm
Very nice work Superdave

Thankyou sir
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on April 17, 2022, 10:04:59 pm
I worked a bit on my trade bow Friday when it was sunny, and today....when it was snowing.  I got a string on it and the initial tiller wasn't too bad, but I had to play with it for a couple hours to get it to settle down.  I am pretty happy with the tiller now anf very pleased with how it shoots (note: the full draw pic was taken before I played with the tiller).  I got a shelf cut in, the grip roughed out, and about 50 shots in today.  Has not lost any reflex at all yet, so I suspect it won't. 

This particular piece of osage is just fantastic.  This is my third bow from this piece and it's the best osage I have worked.  It is extremely light weight and yet springy and rings like porcelain if you tap it.  I wish I had a truckload of it!

Matt

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 17, 2022, 11:23:24 pm
Looks awesome.  Very nice bow.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: ssrhythm on April 18, 2022, 07:53:56 pm
Here are some pics of a couple of bows I have roughed out and a stave I have chased a ring on.  I'm going to be building at least three bows this summer.  One will be for a friend, and I will pick the best of the other three for this bow trade.  I will be doing most of the work in random bunches of time, as I tend to work better when I have the time to get on it and keep working.  I'll post pics when I can, but I will turn out the best bow I can.  Thanks.
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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 19, 2022, 02:24:15 pm
Lookin good so far!   
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 19, 2022, 02:35:17 pm
Finally got the back of my bow stained and coated with 2 coats of true oil.  Itís a transition of dark at handle to red and orange to yellow out towards the tips.  Sort of my take on a sunburst but darker.  Hope you like.  Going to add few more coats then finish up the belly with true oil and leather for handle. 

Cheers.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on April 19, 2022, 05:45:38 pm
I love the way you graduated the colours,  is that staining done with brush or air-brush?
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 20, 2022, 01:25:37 am
I love the way you graduated the colours,  is that staining done with brush or air-brush?

Thankyou for the kind words stuckinthemud.  No itís leather dye.  The alcohol based stuff.  I usually use it for my leather work for knives but heard of guys using it for bows too so I figured Iíd try it.  Works like a charm. I apply it with a small section of clean rag.   I put down base Color yellow first over entire back surface then move to the red about half way up each limb from the handle then use black over the red and just blend it all in with dry rag to blend colours a bit. I let each Color dry for about 10mins between each Color.   Iíve had good results with this method.  Not sure if itís proper way to do this finish but I find it works. 


Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 20, 2022, 07:52:23 pm
Few more pic after several coats of tru oil. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Deerhunter21 on April 20, 2022, 08:39:07 pm
That looks amazing superdav!!!! Amazing job!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 20, 2022, 09:57:33 pm
Very kind. Thankyou
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on April 22, 2022, 10:09:07 am
Few more pic after several coats of tru oil.

Dave, how long does your tru-oil take to dry?  I have used it on a few bows, but it takes FOREVER (months) to dry and sometimes I wonder if it ever actually gets truly dry and loses its tackiness.  I have heard people in drier climates have better luck with it.  Thoughts?

The bow is beautiful BTW and I also love using leather dyes for the bow backs.

Matt
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 22, 2022, 02:01:12 pm
Those guys are looking awesome guys!! Iím getting excited to see which one will make it into my hands.

Flntknp17, I use a lot of truoil and it generally dries for me in about 6 hours. I put in on pretty thin. Iíll put a bit in my finger, spread it as far as itíll go and rub it in for a few seconds to make sure itís good and thin and warms a little

Iíll be getting back to working on my bow soon. Between grappling tournaments, family stuff, and work I havnt had much time for building lately. Iíll be demonstrating self bow building at a renfair the next couple weekends so I can probably make good progress and a backup bow. Probably getting it done. But will focus on the trilam for the main bow.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Allyn T on April 22, 2022, 08:12:36 pm
Where is the fair at?
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on April 23, 2022, 11:53:13 am
Those guys are looking awesome guys!! Iím getting excited to see which one will make it into my hands.

Flntknp17, I use a lot of truoil and it generally dries for me in about 6 hours. I put in on pretty thin. Iíll put a bit in my finger, spread it as far as itíll go and rub it in for a few seconds to make sure itís good and thin and warms a little

Iíll be getting back to working on my bow soon. Between grappling tournaments, family stuff, and work I havnt had much time for building lately. Iíll be demonstrating self bow building at a renfair the next couple weekends so I can probably make good progress and a backup bow. Probably getting it done. But will focus on the trilam for the main bow.

Kyle

Iíll be doing the same at a fair in Indiana.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on April 23, 2022, 06:21:57 pm
I worked on finalizing tiller and sanding/smoothing and scraping the bamboo on my BBO for the trade.  I have shot the bow about 200 times now and left it strung for 8 hours to "soak".  It sprung back to the original shape and hasn't lost any of its original 2.5" reflex so I think it probably won't take any set. 

Matt

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 23, 2022, 09:54:06 pm
Few more pic after several coats of tru oil.

Dave, how long does your tru-oil take to dry?  I have used it on a few bows, but it takes FOREVER (months) to dry and sometimes I wonder if it ever actually gets truly dry and loses its tackiness.  I have heard people in drier climates have better luck with it.  Thoughts?

The bow is beautiful BTW and I also love using leather dyes for the bow backs.


Matt

Thanks Matt.  Much appreciated compliment.  I do several very thin layers like has already been said too.  About 7-8.  I also use my finger to spread it on likes others do. Now I do something a little different after all my layers are on and it had had a week to dry.   I use toothpaste.  Yup. Toothpaste and do small circular rubbing over the entire surface of the back.  This gives it a depth to the finish.  I got this idea from whelyn except he uses a bonami powdered cleaner and mixes it with little water to a paste to rub with.  I couldnít find any so I used toothpaste and it works like a charm.  The finish is noticeably better imho.  As for not drying. Iím in a humid climate and I donít have issues with drying so long as my layers are thin and dry to the touch between layers then a week after all layers.  8 layers my seem like a lot but itís worth it all said and done with final result.  Your true oil may be getting thick and drying out possibly too.  I had to throw half a bottle out because of this.  This may account for long drying times if the cap is left off for a length of time.  Another tip I picked up from whelyn Ö  I put a pin hole at the top of the foil seal under the cap and tip the bottle slightly onto my finger for a drop to minimize air drying the rest of the bottle while applying a layer to the bow.  Hope this helps ya. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 23, 2022, 09:56:21 pm
I worked on finalizing tiller and sanding/smoothing and scraping the bamboo on my BBO for the trade.  I have shot the bow about 200 times now and left it strung for 8 hours to "soak".  It sprung back to the original shape and hasn't lost any of its original 2.5" reflex so I think it probably won't take any set. 

Matt


Love the look of this bow!  Love the contrasting layers in the handle.  Nicely done.

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 23, 2022, 10:09:22 pm
Quick build update on my bow.  Did a little more detail work on the handle and arrows pass.  I decided to do something Iíve never done on a bow and make an ambidextrous shooter.  Twice the work but hope it will be appreciated by recipient.  I was on the fence about it and was gonna just do a standard rh bow with a hair pass glue up but wasnít turned on by it I took it up a notch and decided to use the same blood wood scrap pieces from the tip overlays and had just enough to inset a pass on both right and left side.   I then used a small glue on arrow rest on each side made from scrap pieces of Buffalo horn to tie in with the horn laminate overlays on the tips.  Iím pretty satisfied with result.  I then dressed it up with a black leather handle wrap to finish it off.  The original string I made for this bow is not going to work Color wise so Iíll make a new red and black b55 string and call it done.  Hereís a few pics

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on April 24, 2022, 12:23:16 am
That bow is just fantastic looking and I do appreciate the info on the tru-oil.  I'm sure whoever gets the bow will cherish it!..

Matt
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: wooddamon1 on April 24, 2022, 10:32:27 pm
Some nice bows being built guys.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 24, 2022, 10:38:08 pm
Allen T - Its near Kimgdom City, MO.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Allyn T on April 25, 2022, 08:38:58 am
That's about an hour from here, maybe I can talk the wife into driving down
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on April 30, 2022, 03:03:08 pm
Finished up this bow today with new string red and black.  Looks lot better then the original.  Shoots very smooth with 350 or 400 spine arrows.  Shot it a bunch today and it retained its 4.5Ē reflex after resting for about 20mins.  4Ē immediately after shooting.  Pretty happy with that.  Just a pound over target draw weight at the requested draw length.  I put some tape on the arrow pass while shooting today to prevent marking it up.  Iíll leave that up to the new owner.  I built this bow with a positive tiller of about just under 1/4Ē on the top limb.  Can sort of tell in the pics but tiller went well and as planned for the most part.  This was a nice hunk of wood to start with.  Iíll ship this bow out soon I think. Hopefully it meets the recipients expectations.     


Hereís a quick video of me shooting this bow

https://photos.app.goo.gl/oSZpHkkBHduwVTL57

Cheers
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on April 30, 2022, 10:16:22 pm
Nailed it Superdav95! And a reminder to all - hold off on shipping until given the green light.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 01, 2022, 01:21:43 am
This bow by Superdave might be the most beautiful trade bow I have seen.  What a superb achievement!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 01, 2022, 09:07:39 am
Wow.  Thanks kidder.  Very nice compliment. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: hoosierf on May 01, 2022, 10:28:49 am
Weíll done on both of those bows fellas.  Super cool. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on May 01, 2022, 10:53:35 pm
So Iíve got both my bows finished. The first done was a yellow heart boo at 50# at 27.5Ē. The second was a boo yew at 55# at 27.5Ē. Both bows measured 64Ē tip to tip. The yellow heart has a power lam, glued on handle, and tips of an ornamental cherry I took out of my yard. The yew has no power lam, tips are Buffalo horn, strike plate inlay is mammoth. I scooped the fades, which I think looks pretty cool. Overall both bows are great shooters. Neither is perfect. Each taught me some lessons. The unstrung profile pictures are immediately after unstringing. The yellow heart maintains a slight bit of reflex as does the yew, but the yew took some uneven set in the upper limb due to having too much positive tiller early on (lesson learned). Havenít decided which Iíll send but Iím leaning towards the yew. Happy to hear any suggestions and constructive criticisms.
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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on May 02, 2022, 01:32:21 am
Both look great, I love the tiller on the Yew bow especially!  You should put both of these in BOM.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 02, 2022, 08:00:08 am
Both bows are amazing!  My vote goes to the yew bow of the two.  Iíd take either one of these bows.  Nice work.  Love the scooping detail and mammoth inlay! 

Dave. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Allyn T on May 02, 2022, 08:03:00 am
Very nice kidder, I like the scoop
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Deerhunter21 on May 02, 2022, 03:37:39 pm
Very nice bows! what did you finish them with?
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on May 02, 2022, 04:18:22 pm
Very nice bows! what did you finish them with?
Thanks guys. I finish my bows with usually 3 coats of tung oil finish, followed by 3 coats of tru oil, and then wet sand it and finally I buff it with olive oil and pumice.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 03, 2022, 11:53:14 pm
Those both look great! I vote the boo backed yew as well.

I got the lams for mine ground and tapered on the belt sander and the persimmon belly heat treated today and got them glued up with smooth on. Iíll let it sit a couple days before I pop it off and see how the glue lines turned out.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 04, 2022, 06:24:57 pm
We finally had warm enough weather to apply the finish to my trade bow.  It finished 49#@27" and is probably the best bow I have built to date.....and that has always been the goal of the bow trade.  I will make a new string for it and then I'll be ready to ship.

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Stickhead on May 04, 2022, 07:07:42 pm
Wow!  Looking good!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on May 04, 2022, 11:04:39 pm
Thatís a stunner! Iím really impressed with the work on the trade so far! Still a couple people that need to turn it on, but coming along nicely guys.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 05, 2022, 12:50:09 pm
You knocked it out of the park flntnp17!   Looks awesome. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 11, 2022, 08:57:15 am
Finished and string made and ready to ship.  I shot another 50-60 arrows last night to make sure all was well before calling it complete.  The bow pops back to its full reflex immediately upon unstringing so I'm happy with how the dynamic parts of it turned out.  This one seems to be about the right length for a powerlam (I've been experimenting with different lengths for a while).  I'll wait for instructions on when to ship.

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 12, 2022, 12:03:08 am
Very nice indeed.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Selfbowman on May 12, 2022, 08:11:47 am
Well done super Dave itís a beauty !!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 14, 2022, 07:15:01 pm
I made a bit more progress on my trade bow. I didnít nab many pictures though. Itís been braced and pulled to about 21Ē. Itís still holding most of its reflex. Iíve started working on the nocks. I got some deer antler glued down but still need to shape them out. It shouldnít take much longer the Next day I have to work on it, to get it shooting.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 14, 2022, 08:13:26 pm
Lookin good.  Lookin forward to more!   
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on May 16, 2022, 06:03:39 pm
Got my bow roughed out. Going with a simple inuit design. Attached is a pic of it and the style I'm going for.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 16, 2022, 09:18:33 pm
Looks cool.  Are those siyahs at the ends?
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on May 17, 2022, 08:02:28 am
Honestly I'm not sure. I'm going to try bending it using a thin metal strap on the outside to avoid splintering.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 17, 2022, 08:41:37 am
I got mine the trilam all tillered out last night. It turned out a bit lower draw weight than I expected for the thickness but it shoots well. And the combination of materials looks good with finish on. So far just a healthy slathering on linseed oil before I start on the truoil.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 17, 2022, 08:42:26 am
Gotta show the tips

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: WhistlingBadger on May 17, 2022, 10:51:04 am
Cool stuff, guys.  Kyle, love that top nock.  Looks like it would make a decent boar spear in a pinch!   ;D
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 17, 2022, 11:34:46 am
Lookin good
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 19, 2022, 04:28:02 pm
I put my trade bow in the mail yesterday....praying for a safe journey!

Matt

Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 21, 2022, 11:07:29 am
I received my trade bow from Kidder.....and it is fantastic!  Definitely the physically lightest bow I have shot (never had a yew bow before) and it's so quiet that it won't need string silencers.  I wouldn't change anything if I could.  Shot around 300 arrows with it now and hoping to hunt with it come October. 

Thanks for organizing the bow trade this year!

Matt

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Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on May 22, 2022, 01:49:30 pm
Glad you like it Matt!
Your bow arrived safe and sound as well! Unboxing the bow was like Christmas when I was 7, and to my total surprise it included a bow sock and a knapped knife! Totally blown away by it all. Matt is obviously an all things primitive expert and the knife will be displayed with honor in my office. As for the bowÖIíve never seen a bow maintain 2 inches of reflex through it all - mine sure donít - Iím lucky if I can keep half an inch. Purely a masterpiece. Shoots fantastic and will be going afield with me come fall.
With the trade, my build included, I learned a valuable lesson. Final tiller isnít all that matters, how you get to final tiller is equally important. Proof is in the relaxed profiles of our two bows. Senseiís bow is perfection. Thanks.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 22, 2022, 02:44:59 pm
So cool. Very nice fellas.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Flntknp17 on May 22, 2022, 09:16:24 pm
Glad to know it made the trip safely!  I probably donít have the most orthodox way of arriving at final tiller, but itís worked for me for a long time so I keep at it and keep learning 😄. 

Matt
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on May 23, 2022, 12:43:44 am
Well guys looking for an update from a few people. Kidder and Flntknp17 trade is complete. Superdav95 Appears to be complete, waiting for shipping approval. Mo_coon-catcher and Jakesnyder seem to be making good progress. Ssrythm had his bow roughed out about a month ago.
Swampman has been lost in the swamp since March. Stuckinthemud better get the winch out and pull himself out of the mudÖ
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on May 23, 2022, 02:24:21 pm
So in bending the curves i lifted a splinter that went pretty deep. I'm not going to be sending out a bow that is less than the best I can do so...  I'm going with a sinew back osage bow. The bow is about 55in long and will have just a thin layer of sinew on it
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on May 23, 2022, 11:08:01 pm
Well I found my way out of the swamp.  I had a couple of injuries that sidelined me for a bit. A shoulder issue that I have Bern dealing with for 3 years got worse and then I cut myself on my left hand.  It was deep and I had stitches. When I got the stitches out it split back open right away.  It finally healed up enough so I could get in my shop tonight.

I scraped on the black locust stave until I got just a bit of movement but I have a lot more scraping to go yet.  I will get a picture up once I get it bending more.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 24, 2022, 12:50:16 am
Lookin good jake.  Should be a sweet little bow. 

Swamp man.   Glad to hear your back in the shop.  Stay healthy. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on May 25, 2022, 01:15:14 pm
Hi everyone, sorry I've had to drop off the forum for a while, got a ton of stuff going on at the mo.  Got a week off work coming up so should be able to post some progress before too long.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on May 25, 2022, 05:10:25 pm
finally able to get back to work on bows without my back feeling like its going to collapse. so hopefully tomorrow and friday i will be getting my vine maple bow done for my recipient.  im definitely hoping he will like it. Thank you for stickin around with me about this. its been pretty rough.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on May 26, 2022, 07:29:32 pm
So I got my bow sinew backed. I did 2 thin layers. Will post a picture in the next couple days.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on May 27, 2022, 07:30:40 am
I worked on the black locust stave a bit last night.  On floor tiller I have a bit of movement now.  This will be a fun one to tame. There is a lot of natural reflex. There is 4 inches of reflex in one limb and 7 1/2 inches in the other.  I will have to remove some reflex from the one limb to get them evened up.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 27, 2022, 09:10:24 am
Looking good
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on May 29, 2022, 03:21:15 pm
I couldnít decide on what I wanted to do for the handle, so nice and simple veggy tan stitched on wet so itíll shrink dry to the bow and shouldnít budge at all. I always like how a handle wrap seems to finish out a bow. Iíll make a string and get it out soon. Oh and I finally got around to picking up a can of satin lacquer to give a quick shot of to knock out the sheen.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on May 29, 2022, 03:48:10 pm
Lookin good
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on May 31, 2022, 05:35:10 pm
Here's the sinew job! It's already starting to pull into reflex!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on June 02, 2022, 10:24:54 am
Lovely work, stunning bows . I am a long way behind you! I have finished rebuilding the wall blown down in the storms we had in early Spring so I have finally been able to get some time in the Ďshop. My bow is roughed out oversize at 2Ē wide and 35mm thick at the fades but next up is to reduce sapwood by about 4mm.  At the moment the tips only move 1 inch if I press all my weight down, so plenty of room for manoeuvre.  Will post more once the sapwood is cleaned up
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on June 19, 2022, 06:06:28 pm
Well, Love Island is back on the box and that means my womenfolk are actually sending me to the workshop!!  My yew bow is down to 30mm in the centre and 20mm tips. If I lean really hard on the centre then itíll bend about an inch.  Time to carve some temporary nocks and get it on a long string
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on June 19, 2022, 11:25:48 pm
Nice.  I love an excuse to be sent to the shop!   Love to see some pics
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on June 29, 2022, 07:56:18 am
I made a little progress on the black locust bow this past weekend.  I evened the limbs up so hopefully the reflex will be more manageable.  After I did that I had to do some steaming to line the tips up.  I still have some adjustments to make as things aren't lined up to my liking yet.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on June 29, 2022, 07:59:40 am
Cool set up.  Looking good so far.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on June 29, 2022, 08:05:43 am
I also got my iron wood stave floor tillerred over the weekend.  That stave is one that is very straight so it shouldn't need any heat or steam corrections if I do my job.  I didn't take any pictures of that one yet.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: ssrhythm on July 13, 2022, 03:19:18 pm
Just wanted to touch baseÖIíve been working a pile out of my home state, remodeling my house, and will be visiting my folks across the country for two weeks starting Monday.  I applied for a pile of tags hoping to draw one or two, and I hit in every single one of them, so my time is now limited much more than I ever thought it would be.  SoÖIím taking the bow I was building for my buddy in SC and Iím going to get it dialed in to my recipientís specs and make it my trade bow.  Tillering is basically finished and itís shootingÖshooting well, but it was for a 6í4Ē dood with a 30+Ē draw, and it is way longer than I want it for the trade.  My bud will just have to wait to get his bow next spring.  AnyhooÖI havenít forgotten yíall.  Iíll get back to working on the bow when I return to Wyoming toward the end of the month.  I should have some pics up sometime in early to mid August.  Rock On!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on July 13, 2022, 05:22:03 pm
Summer break starts in 2 weeks and my new Shinto just dropped on my porch.  Looking forward to making some decent progress.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on July 19, 2022, 04:27:04 pm
I took the trade bow down to Mojam to show off a little before I ship it. I shit it a bit while there and man was it quiet and smooth. Iím more excited to ship it now and see what they think. Iíll get it shipped to my guy soon. Iím out of town for work the next few days, so probably Monday or Tuesday Iíll get it out.

Kyle
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on July 19, 2022, 10:48:36 pm
Great work guys! Can I get an update on who is ready to ship - I know Iím done as is flntknp17, mocooncatcher, and Superdav95. Is anyone else ready? Hold off until given the green light as well guys.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on July 21, 2022, 08:25:37 am
I am not ready to ship.  My shoulder issue kept me sidelined a while longer but after a bunch of physical therapy my shoulder is probably back to 85%. 

I have been having troubles getting my black locust stave tips to line up.  I set that aside and am working on my plan b which is iron wood.  Tillering is coming along uneventful so far.  I still plan to tackle that black locust but will get the iron finished first.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on July 29, 2022, 08:32:47 am
Hey guys long time no see. I have been MIA. Iím ok just between trying to pay medical bills from the car wreck and then catching covid and then taking care of my niece who caught it Iíve had my hands full. Iíve got my vine maple pyramid bow all shaped and the limb profile is shaped. Hoping to tiller it Sunday and do final sanding on Monday gotta get through the 6 inches of natural reflex it has coming straight off the handle area. After Monday I plan on getting it decorated and the leather wrap put on the handle and then hopefully it will pass muster with all of your awesome creations. Again Iím really sorry I havenít been as active. Had covid a few times before this last bout but this was different.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on July 30, 2022, 11:50:27 pm
Take it a day at a time brother.  Glad to hear your getting back in the shop.  Hope you stay well.  Cheers. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on August 05, 2022, 04:57:06 pm
Been able to spend some time in the shop. Done some heat shaping but itís still twisting hard on the tree.  Will do some more heat treating once itís at brace height. Got the tips moving a few inches, still got some stiff areas to work on a little bit.  Still a long way over weight, still not bending enough to burst off the bark but itís getting there.

(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/image0.jpg)

Currently the stave has a couple of inches of reflex, tips are now drawing to 3"
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on August 09, 2022, 10:46:26 am
OK, so, now pulling to about 16" on my stretchy long-string, actually works out at about 4.5 inches of tip movement, so at low brace.  Struggling a little to see where to scrape next.  Think to take a really tiny bit off the inner third and a little more off the tips.  Would welcome some thoughts !

(https://stuckinthemudsite.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/bpw-e1660053970325.jpg)
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on August 10, 2022, 12:06:49 am
Lookin good so far.  Itís hard to say.  I would agree with you.  Itís got nice early bend now so I might just do matching complete scrapes on both limbs on inner and mid limb then see where your at then. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on August 11, 2022, 10:18:05 am
Heat aligned the tips this morning, string tracks through the centre of the handle now, also took out most of the heli twist, bow pulls straight now, no more twisting on the tiller stick
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on August 15, 2022, 07:28:10 pm
I got my bow to brace height. I'm going to shoot it in some and do the finishing touches and it'll be done.  I love how it shoots. I'll get some pics up here soon of the finished product.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: ssrhythm on August 27, 2022, 03:23:22 pm
Ok.  Well , with this bow trade endeavor, I've learned a ton about my bow-building process and the joy I derive from it...which is why I do it in the first place.  So, I've learned that having the pressure of building a bow for someone on a schedule diminishes the joy and adds stress, and I probably won't do this again for quite a while.  I have build several bows and given them away as surprise gifts, and that was great.  I've built a couple of bows for my kids and for myself, and all of those bows have turned out really nice, and all of those bows have been good shooters that I've been happy with.  Some bows have ended up better than others, but I've been happy with all of them.  So....

I ended up settling into two staves that I was going to turn into two bows...one for this trade and one for a buddy I grew up with.  The one for the trade turned into an absolute beast as far as getting the tips aligned.  I've never had such trouble with a build, but I finally got it in shape and braced.  Unfortunately, the heating and manipulation must have weakened the wood, and not far into the tillering process, it popped a splinter.  I am going to eventually glue that splinter down, back with rawhide, and try to salvage something from it, but for now, it wasn't worth investing my time trying to make it work for the trade...especially when it shouldn't have popped a splinter making me think I hurt the overall integrity of the wood.

The other bow I was making for my 6'4" friend....well, I made that bow 67" long and made the limbs wider than I usually do to try to prevent set with his long draw.  I decided to re-do this bow for the trade.  I was going to cut it down some, but I was already approaching final tiller with recurved tips, and I don't think I can shorten the bow significantly and re-establish the recurves I want and have those recurves actually hold...so I decided to keep the length and just make it the best bow it can be....it'll just be a longer bow that will last longer and shoot with great stability...right?!?

So, the bow has some twistyness, and a little snakiness, and I've had the worst time tillering.  I've worked my ass off on it, looked at it till I feel like my eyes are going to start bleeding, and done my best to get it right....BUT I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT! 

I can only speak to hand-shock based on and comparing to what I've created in the past.  The bow has more shock than my other bows, but I don't think its terrible.  Now someone else may think its awful or maybe that it's great...IDK, but again, I'm not happy that it has more than my other bows. 

It has taken more Set than I want.  I'm not horribly worried about that, as the tips are still a couple of inches in front of the handle, and according to TBB, a little set with recurves should result in a bow that is easier to shoot accurately.  Regardless, I'm sure the set is due to the difficulty I had and my inability to tiller the bow perfectly.

So, the bottom line is this...I'm going to make this bow as beautiful as I can make it.  I can stack arrows tight at 20 yards, as it does shoot very accurately (at least it shoots very accurately for me).  It is not a speed demon, as it is having to move a lot of limb with the 67" length which is also causing more hand shock than I am happy with.  That said, it will absolutely kill the snot out of big game if it is hunted with, but it is not what I wanted to be sending MO Coon Catcher as a bow indicative of what I know I can produce.

MO...I'm going to finish this bow up to the best of my ability, and if you get it and like it, great.  If you get it and don't like it, I apologize now, and I want you to know that you are at the top of my list, and you will be receiving the next bow that I make that turns out great.

Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on August 27, 2022, 08:10:57 pm
Got my bow finished up. All it needs is a buckskin grip. It comes in at 60lbs at 24in. 58in tip to tip. Reflexed tips and 2 good layers of sinew. Also I'll put a full draw pic up soon as the wife gets time.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on August 27, 2022, 08:13:04 pm
Sorry about the blury pics
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: ssrhythm on August 29, 2022, 10:49:52 am
My wife watched me shoot an apple sized group with arrows that are not yet tuned/matched to the bow and told me I was being hypercritical because this was the first bow Iíve made for someone that was actually expecting a bow.  Maybe itís better than Iím thinking it is.  Iím out of town for next two weeks, but Iíll have it finished and will post pics by the end of September .
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: superdav95 on August 29, 2022, 04:47:43 pm
Looks like it would be fun to shoot jakesnyder!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on August 29, 2022, 04:56:17 pm
Looks great!!!
Iíve been on vacation for a fortnight but will be cracking on with things now. Time to twist up a string and chase the draw weight/length.  Should be done in good time, will post photos soon.
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Jakesnyder on August 30, 2022, 03:46:50 pm
Here's full draw. I don't think it's quite strait on. But it'll work
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Kidder on September 12, 2022, 12:11:44 am
Good work guys. We are getting close to the finish line. Iíd like an update from everyone. I show The following people done:
Kidder
flntknp17
mocooncatcher
Superdav95
Jake Snyder
Is anyone else ready? As far as I can tell we are waiting on Stuckinthemud, Ssrythm, Swampman, and Mafort. Can I get an update from each of you guys? Those finished Hold off shipping until given the green light. Thanks and keep at it!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on September 24, 2022, 05:50:18 pm
Hello, everyone, I had to sit out this year's trade for lack of time, but I have been following along. 
Last year I attempted a few bows for the trade, and ended up sending a hickory board D bow with a diamondback pattern.

Due to a chain of mishaps, the bow I was to have received was burned in a shop fire, and the backup was stolen.  After another backup plan didn't materialize (in hindsight I stretched that out way to long), Kidder was kind enough to send me the Bamboo/Yellow heart bow he built as a backup for this year's trade.

It's as light as a feather, with a good strong, smooth draw.  The craftsmanship and tiller are first rate.

A huge thank you to Kidder for organizing the trades these past two years, and for ensuring that everyone received a bow in the end!
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Swampman on September 26, 2022, 09:31:17 pm
I haven't posted anything for quite a while.  My shoulder problem flared up again and ended up getting a tear repair.  That has kept me sidelined most of the summer.  I am making good progress on my iron wood bow.  I have an even tiller and have about 4 inches to get to the target draw length.  It is also looking like I will be in good shape to hit the target weight.  This build started as a 67 inch stave but I split a tip on it so it is now a 62 1/2 build.  I think it will work out better at that length.  I almost set it aside when this happened but after looking it over I decided to move forward with it.

I do have a black locust bow finished but it is a little under weight so I don't want to send that to my recipient. 

Hopefully I will get a picture posted soon. 
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: Mafort on September 27, 2022, 10:55:19 am
Had to switch to hackberry as my vine maple bow warped and Iíve been fighting to straighten it. So Iím going for a nice hackberry mollegabet/recurve type bow. Should be done extremely soon
Title: Re: 2022 Bow Trade - build in progress
Post by: stuckinthemud on October 01, 2022, 12:37:27 pm
Chasing draw length, Iím at draw weight at 14Ē, but got another 14Ē to go before Iím at draw length. Going carefully as I donít want to mess this up