Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: BowEd on November 15, 2022, 03:23:53 am
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Here's a quiver I'm using made recently made from some thick brain tanned elk.25" long for my 30" long arrows.Mostly hand sewn.It has a canvas and trade wool shoulder strap with leather lace and a milkweed wind detector attatched.It has a rawhide and 1/4 " thick veg tanned bottom.A 2.5" diameter quiver holding 4 dogwood broadheads.A little beadwork of a saw tooth design on the ends using #11 pony trader blues and greasy yellows seed beads.
Long ago I made arrow shafts from osage.They turned out to be too weak in spine for their weight.I used one of those as a stiffener stick.I used a sinew wrap on the ends to make them bulbous to prevent any slippage or shifting.
First snow of the winter in the background also.
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That's a beauty Ed. Very nice work. :)
Pappy
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Very impressive!
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Very nice Ed. Everything about it. Hunting quivers are very personal things and you sure added your personal touches to this one. :OK
Is that the Ukrainian flag in the inside bottom?
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As much as the Ukrainian war has been on TV it's an understandable question about the colors.Some of the most courageous people on the planet.That would be fitting if that was the intention.
Facts are the Siouw used these colors painting on their shirts and war shields regularly.Along with green,red,and black also.
I wear it differently while in the stand than my cat quivers which are hung off to my right side.I wear it in front of me for easy access without much arm movement for another arrow.
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Very cool Ed ! (=) Bob.
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Thanks Bob....
I've sewn some brain tan onto the shoulder strap now for some type of pattern of beadwork.I have an idea for it.I'll figure it out.
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Very nice Ed.
You really make some beautiful functional top shelf stuff.
Bjrogg
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Very nice, I dig it
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I agree with you 100% about the Ukrainians Ed. :OK
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Beautiful work on the quiver.
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Came up with this to cover and decorate the dark blue trade cloth on the shoulder strap.An 18" long 9/16" wide strip of brain tan to do beadwork on.I tried to simulate arrows with some blocking in midway.Some #11 brown and white seed beads.To do this type the beads need to be pretty uniformally the same size from color to color.Satisfied enough for me anyway.
These type straps I make can be transferred onto any quiver with a stiffener.Plenty tough to take the abuse also.
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Beaded shoulder strips on war shirts are beaded this same way only with wider bands.
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Really cool work! Thanks for posting.
Mike
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Good job. Love the bead work and the Ukraine colors!
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Really sweet Ed.
Bjrogg
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Some tribes would twist the fringe.
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Honestly Ukraines' war was not in mind when selecting the colors.I've used these colors for decades.
I like using old pale opaque colors with contrast.The beadwork I see by many now are for the pow wow dancers.They use flourescent and translucent colors many times for show and flair.
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I like the addition of the twisted fringe. :OK
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I decided to twist the tail fringe of the strap also.
An easy process.Merely wet it down slightly and twist and stretch it and let it dry.
Being brain tan the natural glues and collagens in the leather allow it to stay that way.Even though the leather fibers are coated with brain oils.
The lace soften back up like normal with a twist on them because of it being smoked.
Chemically tanned hides usually compromise the collagens and glues and the twists don't stay as well.
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I've read many southern tribes would twist their fringe.Comanches and Kiowa to say for a couple.
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Very nice work, I love it and good to know on the twist. Thanks.
Pappy
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I've read that twisted fringes were not only a decorative thing but also they are stronger than flat ones
Can you confirm they are less likely to tear?
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Making good strong lace is a matter of it being cut from a section of the hide that is consistently the same thickness.No knife slits along the length either.These hides are not run through a thickness shaving machine.With deer the neck or hip area sections will be your thickest.The same for beef rawhide also.
I cut mine with a scissors from a circular piece of leather or rawhide.Very thick rawhide like beef I soak it in water first.
Brain tan lace is very tough and will stretch farther if dampened and twisted into a round type cord.Stretching it after twisting it sets the twist in it.
All lace can be broken if pulled on hard enough for impractical useage.I pull on mine to around 70 pounds of pull I suppose.Good enough for me.I stand on an end and pull upwards with both arms to test it.
I made a 22+ foot long 4 way braided rope from the neck leather of my brain tanned elk.It made close to 1/2" diameter rope.Use it for possible pouch shoulder straps or anything else for that matter.More than enough to last the lifetime of a pouch.
I do think that if a 4 way braided rope was made from beef rawhide that it would be stronger yet.Just not as fluid and pliable is all.
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I imagine it would make excellent reins for a bridle for a horse,or tie down usage for packing things.Maybe to tie tipi poles together.
I guarentee it will withstand over 100 pounds of pull.I've read where a whole buffalo rawhide was cut into lace before.
I used 11 feet of that length for 3 possible pouches.
Got 11 feet left over for 3 more pouches or whatever if so desired.
A person could soak this rope in water and stretch it even farther if so desired.You might get an extra foot or two of length from it.
After all,all it really is is softened rawhide.
That would reduce the circumference of it too.I have lengths in my head that I need for pouches.44" is the standard for me.
If carrying anything heavy in a pouch I don't like a narrow cord across my neck muscle.
I like my pouches rather high and tight around waist level against my body so that they are'nt dangling out there catching on brush etc. going through the woods.
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I always gotta laugh at the Daniel Boone show even though that I like it.His shooting pouch dangling on him is about 2' too long for practical purposes.