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Title: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 24, 2022, 11:01:03 am
Would like some opinions on taking off another 3# to 4#. Currently at 50# @ 28”, thin ringed Osage, 63”ntn, 1-3/8” at widest point of fade tapering to 1” then last 6” tapering to 1/2” tips.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 24, 2022, 11:21:52 am
I should have stated that it has taken 1-1/4” set in the outer 1/3 of both limbs.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Pat B on November 24, 2022, 12:04:25 pm
The overall tiller looks good to me.  :OK   You could bring the bend back towards the handle on both limbs to reduce a bit of weight but go gingerly and check the weight often.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Aksel on November 24, 2022, 02:06:39 pm
Very nice looking tiller. Set indicates that too. First I´d let it sit braced for a few good hour or shoot it a couple 100 times and check tiller again. If # hasn´t gone down, I´d scrape or sand evenly on both limbs to keep that tiller.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: NonBacked on November 24, 2022, 02:22:51 pm
If you only need 3-4lbs. reduction and you want to maintain the same tiller shape, follow Askel's good advice.

To my eye, the top limb needs to bend, just a small amount, mid-limb. Again, go slow and only make a few scrapes at a time, then exercise and check. The final few adjustments will test your patience.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: superdav95 on November 24, 2022, 03:12:51 pm
The overall tiller looks good to me.  :OK   You could bring the bend back towards the handle on both limbs to reduce a bit of weight but go gingerly and check the weight often.

+1 for pats advice.  Go lightly on closer to handle.  I would be careful taking any more off on outer 1/3 where you are seeing set.  IMO.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 24, 2022, 07:08:03 pm
Thanks guys. Asked, I have only shot it maybe 20 arrows but have left it strung several times for about an hour each, plus have had it strung at full tiller while tweaking the tiller it’s a card scraper. I think I will follow Pat B’s advice on scraping/sanding going into the handle a little more. That seems to be where my weakness falls, by not getting enough movement right out of the handle.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Kidder on November 24, 2022, 10:03:32 pm
If you only need 3-4lbs. reduction and you want to maintain the same tiller shape, follow Askel's good advice.

To my eye, the top limb needs to bend, just a small amount, mid-limb. Again, go slow and only make a few scrapes at a time, then exercise and check. The final few adjustments will test your patience.
This is exactly what I see as well.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: George Tsoukalas on November 25, 2022, 12:34:08 am
I think the tiller is very good. Enjoy it. By the time you sand it you'll loose some weight. Jawge
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 25, 2022, 08:58:33 am
Thanks George. Very little sanding need, back and edges have already been finish sanded, and belly has been worked down carefully with card scraper.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: wooddamon1 on November 25, 2022, 09:01:10 am
Looking good!
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: George Tsoukalas on November 25, 2022, 09:36:41 am
bentstick, welcome. Shoot it at least 36 times and then check tiller and decide if you need to reduce it more. That's what I do. Jawge
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bjrogg on November 26, 2022, 07:21:01 am
I think the tiller looks good to my eye. I haven’t seen the unbraced profile so I’m assuming it was pretty even.

I would probably shoot it some more. Do some sanding and see how it feels then. If it take a little set and you lose a little weight from sanding you might be right where you want.

It’s easier to take weight off than to put it on. Wouldn’t rush anything at this point.

I like that you are still trying to perfect the tiller though and not just taking off lbs.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 26, 2022, 09:08:28 am
I took a few scrapes off mid limb like NonBacked suggested, then concentrated on the 4” or 5” out of the handle. Dropped weight to 48# so I’m stopping there. Shot about 30 more arrows through it and am happy with the way it feels in the hand at the loose, so I’m calling it good. Going to start finishing with Truoil , will post some photos when done. Thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on November 30, 2022, 11:00:34 pm
I have an Apple iPad, and an iPhone. How do I go about posting multiple pictures on 1 post, instead of individually on multiple posts? I prefer using the iPad due to the larger key pad if possible. Thanks for any assistance.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Selfbowman on December 01, 2022, 02:08:52 pm
From the blown up pic by non backed I tend to agree with him. But I have not seen an unstrung pic.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:29:33 pm
Sorry, I can’t figure out how to post multiple pictures, but here’s a string of start to finis.
From the blown up pic by non backed I tend to agree with him. But I have not seen an unstrung pic.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:32:03 pm
Starting profile.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:35:17 pm
30 minutes after shooting.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:36:10 pm
Final tillered.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:37:02 pm
Full draw, 48#@28”
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:37:47 pm
Back profile.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 01, 2022, 03:52:35 pm
Sorry for the 3 starting profile pics. Shot 10 shot string, throwing out high and low, averaged 167fps, with 430 gr arrows. Hopefully will turn out to be durable, time will tell, but happy with the way it came out for now. Took a fair amount of heat corrections to get it to this point. Thanks for looking, and any and all advice.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Hamish on December 01, 2022, 05:28:19 pm
Great result. Hard to beat a classic osage bow.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: superdav95 on December 01, 2022, 07:04:58 pm
Tiller looks spot on to my eye.  Nicely done. 
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bjrogg on December 02, 2022, 05:46:35 am
Sweet bow. Tiller looks great to my eyes. The unbraced profile seems to think so too.

Nice work

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 02, 2022, 02:40:47 pm
Thanks guys. I never worked one with rings as thin as these and was not wanting to back it. I’m happy with it, hopefully it will be durable.Just looking for a good durable hunting bow.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Selfbowman on December 03, 2022, 08:12:34 am
Would like some opinions on taking off another 3# to 4#. Currently at 50# @ 28”, thin ringed Osage, 63”ntn, 1-3/8” at widest point of fade tapering to 1” then last 6” tapering to 1/2” tips.

Beautiful bow . The rings look to have close to fifty percent early wood . Makes for lighter in mass bow but those staves seam to take more set for me. But it’s Osage and that’s good enough for me. Arvin
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: Badger on December 03, 2022, 05:58:02 pm
Would like some opinions on taking off another 3# to 4#. Currently at 50# @ 28”, thin ringed Osage, 63”ntn, 1-3/8” at widest point of fade tapering to 1” then last 6” tapering to 1/2” tips.

Beautiful bow . The rings look to have close to fifty percent early wood . Makes for lighter in mass bow but those staves seam to take more set for me. But it’s Osage and that’s good enough for me. Arvin

Keep the mass the same and make it a bit wider and they should take less set.
Title: Re: Advice on tiller
Post by: bentstick54 on December 03, 2022, 09:49:30 pm
Thanks Steve, I’ve been trying to keep them narrower just because I liked them, but I can sure work back to wider to increase performance and reduce set. I know you’ve experimented and built a lot of bows, and value your knowledge along with many others on here. I lurk more than I post because I’m definitely an amateur, but check in constantly to learn from those with lots more bows under their belt, like George T, Arvin, Pat B, Weylin, Erik Krewson, and many others.
I’ve read several posts were people comment on this site going downhill. I sure hope all you experienced bowyers don’t abandon this site because you aware such a valuable asset to passing on the knowledge you have acquired. Through all the differences of opinions, methods, and types of bows, it gives us rookies the ability to consider all views, and beliefs and mix and match knowledge to expand our knowledge. You’re all much appreciated. Thanks.