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Title: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 04, 2008, 07:27:33 pm
Here are a few teaser pictures. Its not finished yet so the story and rest of the pictures will have to wait. 
Boo backed Ipe
52" NTN
50#@26"
1" wide at the grip
Just the right size for crawling around in the pig thickets of Florida.  ;)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp019.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp020.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp022.jpg)
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: El Destructo on July 04, 2008, 07:35:21 pm
Nice looking Bow ....Justin....but that first picture with the Fraying String kinda Scary!!! Don't look like the Flemish Eye....looks like a raveling String......I cant look!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Dano on July 04, 2008, 07:45:28 pm
Great lookin little bow Justin, love the tiller, looks perfect to me.
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Post by: Phillip K on July 04, 2008, 08:09:54 pm
Nice bow For the 4th of july and pig thickets
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Post by: DanaM on July 04, 2008, 08:55:31 pm
Looks great Justin but I want to see ya pull it to yer ear >:D Nice tiller too.

Oh yea ya better get a haircut its looking kinda long ;D
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: The Burnt Hill Archer on July 04, 2008, 09:54:37 pm
wow! now thats a short bow! at first it looked like hickory and i almost winced. tiller looks great!

Phil
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: mullet on July 04, 2008, 11:02:08 pm
  Yep that's a shorty for sure. I like what you did with the tips. And we don't have thickets down here, we have palmetto and briar patches. ;)
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 04, 2008, 11:32:06 pm
Mike, there is plenty of string there without one strand.  ;D Its just a tillering string.
Thanks, Dano
Dana, that would be 32" I just don't see that happening.  ;)
Phil, I'm not that brave.
Eddie, I thought about calling it a palmetto bow but you would get the wrong idea of what it was made from. Ill get you some better pictures of the recurves/tips when the finish is dry. That is a story by itself.
Thanks again for all the kind comments.  Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: mullet on July 04, 2008, 11:42:33 pm
  I'd like to see those pictures Justin. I think I can see what you did but it's hard to tell from those pictures.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Pat B on July 04, 2008, 11:44:26 pm
Very impressive! Boo and ipe, who would have thunk!   How well can you shoot it? when I went to shorter bows(60" is short for me) it took a while to get used to it and be able to shoot accurately.
   I am working on a 60" osage static now. Got her bending nicely.        Pat
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Rich Saffold on July 04, 2008, 11:45:08 pm
  Another anorexic Ipe hunting weight bow ;D..Can't weight to see the tip photo Justin..Great money shot, and tiller too!

Rich
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on July 05, 2008, 12:31:08 am
Ha ! Bring her down with ya when ya come....promise ya she will like florida ! I like the whole concept like Eddie and tiller is super. Hahaha.........like Rich said " and yet another "anoxeric Ipe huntin' weight bow !" Take that osage bowyers ! ;D......bob
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: koan on July 05, 2008, 12:31:56 am
Wow!! Thats awesome...I draw 26"..... 8).....Brian
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: koan on July 05, 2008, 12:36:37 am
Great, I live in the heart of osage country, now theres another wood I cant get...Oh wait...Auggie left his ipe in my shed. >:D.....Brian
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: sailordad on July 05, 2008, 02:03:04 am
thats cool brother,

even though i've only made three bows so far(that have made it past tillering).
i think ipe is aweome wood.hard as heck to scrape but well worth it.
now dont get me wrong, i like osage also.however ipe is unbelivible wood,like osage.
i am currently working on a boo/ipe combo flatbow style( i guess ???) and cant wait to shoot it,even though it is for a friend,but i get to shoot it before he does ;D

thats an incredible bow ya got there brother.
                       
                                                                     peace,
                                                                            tim

                           
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: radius on July 05, 2008, 02:34:15 am
i really like it too...looks shorter than you say...you must be pretty tall!

fantastic bow
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 02:46:27 am
Thanks Pat, I can shoot pretty good with it. 
Rich, thanks. It is a little on the petite side isn't it.  As skinny as it is and with all those curves I should have called it Super Model Bow.  ;D I made sure I got it to full draw and square to the camera so you could see it well.
Bob, I'm glad you like it. Do you think it ought to get the job done in the swamps?  ;) I can shoot it from my belly.
Brian, I draw 26" (at least.)  ;D Augie has Ipe? ??? Tell him he took it home and you haven't seen it since.  ;D
Thanks Tim, I sure enjoy a good piece of Ipe.  I still haven't figured out where the breaking point is on this stuff.
Thanks Radius,  I am 6'3" does that explain some.  It actually looses some of that 52" to the curves.  It only stands 46 1/2" tall. The working portion of each limb is about 15" each. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Ryano on July 05, 2008, 12:20:48 pm
Nice Job Justin. From the looks of it you should be able to draw it to 28" no problem. You still have pretty good string angles. I might get the limbs working a touch more from the node out to the static tip on both limbs but it looks pretty good the way it is.  ;D
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: 1/2primitive on July 05, 2008, 12:28:06 pm
Yes! I like that one! Nice job, it looks great.  :)
     Sean
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 12:33:21 pm
Ryan, I have considered 28". With less than 30" of working limb I'm not sure I want to though.  ;D I'm sure before I get done it will since I really cant stop pushing until something breaks.  >:D  I had it bending a little more out there at a lower draw but the recurves really started to roll over so I brought it back. You can't have your static recurves turning inside out you know.  ;)
Thanks Sean.   Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on July 05, 2008, 02:15:35 pm
Hey Justin, you surely got a nice bend going on that little guy ;)
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Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 03:07:03 pm
Thanks Manny
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Post by: akbowman on July 05, 2008, 03:48:49 pm
That is one SWEET little bow Justin. I gotta try one of those.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 04:20:35 pm
Thanks AK.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 04:50:11 pm
OK here are the pretty shots and the story.

I had a couple of pieces of Ipe about 27" long.  Ipe is a beast to bend and I wanted tight recurves on this one so I had to get creative.  I cut a kerf cut 5 3/4" long into each limb tip. I then steamed it and bent it around my form. I have tried the kerf cut before and wound up with a tiny air pocket at the bottom of the cut so this time I cut and bent a thin piece of yellow heart and put it in the cut at glue up. I had to glue some of the recurve in because Ipe doesn't want to bend and wouldn't hold the tight circle I wanted. The recurve pattern is a 6" circle  so it is plenty tight.  ;) I spliced the pieces with some deflex in them. When I glued it up I wasn't sure if I had enough deflex so I glued in a little more.  I couldn't get the bamboo to match the super tight radius of the recurve so I cut it just short and put on a 6" long yellowheart overlay. It has taken about 1/2" of string follow.
the handle wrap is horse leather sewn with yellow string to match the yellow heart accents.  Justin

I remeasured it and it is actually 50" TTT and 48 1/2 NTN
50# @ 26"
Just over 1" wide from the grip out to 16" from center. The last 9" is a constant taper to the 1/4" tips.
It has a 4" rigid handle with another 1 1/2" of fades.
The static recurves are 6".

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp019.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp020.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Scoutcamp022.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve001.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve002.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve004.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve005.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve009.jpg)
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 04:55:17 pm
The table is to shiny so this might make it easier to see.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve007.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/justinsnyder_2006/archery/Iperecurve008.jpg)
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: DanaM on July 05, 2008, 04:55:58 pm
Very creative solution to the problem of bending Ipe Justin, she's a beauty fer sure and at 50@26"
its the perfect weight and draw length ;)
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on July 05, 2008, 05:15:48 pm
WOW, even better, you put a lot of work on that bow, and it surely came out nice, real good craftmanship there !!!
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 05:31:14 pm
Thanks again Manny and Dana. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Marc St Louis on July 05, 2008, 05:51:05 pm
Amazing work Justin.  The tiller is excellent.  That is an outstanding bow
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Post by: Dano on July 05, 2008, 05:52:48 pm
I amazed you got away without bridges or brush nocks to keep the string aligned on the curves, fantastic job Justin.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 06:03:17 pm
Thanks Marc, it is loosely based on the bow you made 2 months ago.
Dano, I actually had string groves comming around and meeting on the belly of the bow and a groove comming down the belly of the recurve. After tillering it most of the way I started taking off the extra weight at the tips and took them out with the intention of redoing them.  The string lines up great and no matter how many times I pulled it they stayed right down the center of the recurve so I shot it.  The string still stays centered so I left it that way. Better to be lucky than good.  ;) Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Rich Saffold on July 05, 2008, 06:19:50 pm
Very nice work on those tips Justin. It looked deflexed in the grip, guess it was ;D

Rich
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Post by: Ryano on July 05, 2008, 06:24:19 pm
Very nice work Justin. Very creative.  ;D
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 06:47:18 pm
Yes Rich about 2 1/2" of deflex in the grip.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: mullet on July 05, 2008, 06:54:25 pm
  I think I'd still put at least a small bridge, just for that one time when somebody wasn't focusing while stringing it. :-\ I don't think it will take the twist like a glass bow.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 07:00:21 pm
It is a tricky little bugger to string, I don't think you can string it without concentrating. Well at least I can't.  :-\ :P Maybe I will go ahead and cut them back in. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: PeteC on July 05, 2008, 09:47:01 pm
That is one excellent bow Justin,I like it!!!!            God Bless, PeteC
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 05, 2008, 10:22:21 pm
Thanks Pete, it was kind of a fun project to make too.   ;D Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: koan on July 06, 2008, 12:35:21 am
Great craftsmanship Justin! Glad you posted more up close pics....Looks like someone might be gettin a new hat soon. ::).....Brian
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: cowboy on July 06, 2008, 01:12:39 am
Now why am I just now stumbling across this post, hmm :). Justin, that is one fine piece of work there! I just can't imagine it having anything to do with luck 8).
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: FlintWalker on July 06, 2008, 02:19:56 am
You don't post many bows, but when you do...it's a Jim Dandy!  I love short bows, especially short recurves.
 Deadly as i'm sure it is. Dare I use the word "cute" ;D
I love it.
 Well done ;)  Saw Filer
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: medicinewheel on July 06, 2008, 03:14:25 am

great work justin! like the curves!!
frank
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: George Tsoukalas on July 06, 2008, 11:51:58 pm
Wow! Awesome bow, Justin. You are quite a craftsman. Jawge
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Pappy on July 07, 2008, 07:15:58 am
Very nice Justin,that's got to be a shooter. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Hillbilly on July 07, 2008, 08:03:58 am
Excellent, excellent looking weapon, Justin. That's a lot of bow out of a handful of wood, don't see how it could get much better. Great detail work, too-one of the nicer ones we've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 07, 2008, 09:02:28 am
Thanks Brian, I'm glad you found the extra pictures appropriate. Not many guys around here complain about extra pictures.  ;D
Paul, thanks a lot. I imagine everything I do has a degree of luck involved.  ;)
SF, I'm not bothered by cute, thanks.
Thanks Frank
George, you are a mentor to all of us and your kind words mean a lot. 
Pappy, thanks, it does shoot rather well. As short as it is I wasn't sure what to expect.
Steve, I like that "a lot of bow from a handfull of wood." Kind of reminds me of what my buddy used to say when I drove a little tiny truck. "Its like 10 gallons of crap poured in a 5 gallon bucket."  :-[  I'm glad you like it.
Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: RidgeRunner on July 07, 2008, 10:51:10 am
Hay Justin:
I may have missed this somewhere but when are you going pig hunting?
Are you going with Eddie?

Thanks
David
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Gordon on July 07, 2008, 11:25:20 am
Wow Justin, that is an impressive bow.
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Post by: OldBow on July 07, 2008, 12:22:34 pm
Ditto Everybody
That is a fine bow
And a serious candidate for July Laminate Bow of the Month
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 07, 2008, 12:39:53 pm
David, I'm still trying to manage the details. $$$ But I'm hoping to make it down to hunt pigs with Eddie and Bob next spring.
Thanks Gordon, you ought to know impressive bows since you make so many.
Thanks Don, I'm glad you like it. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: RidgeRunner on July 07, 2008, 01:57:39 pm
10-4 Justin:
It looks like you have your bow worked out.
That is a Fine looking bow.

David
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 07, 2008, 03:29:38 pm
Thanks David. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: PatM on July 07, 2008, 09:16:36 pm
  That is the best short bow I've seen on here yet. No offense to anyone else  who posted one. I wonder if you could have heated the boo and got it to bend into the recurves?
 I have seen bamboo garden stakes heated and bent into hoops so it would probably work.
 Pat
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on July 07, 2008, 09:37:31 pm
Thanks for the compliments Pat.  I tried to bend the boo but it always snapped right before I got what I wanted. I thinned it down to 1/16" thick then boiled it, steamed it and used dry heat but it always came out straight.  It seams that dry only makes it stiffer while wet meathods had little effect. I know you can bend the heck out of the smaller stuff when it is young and green, but I don't think it even bends real well when it is older. Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Jesse on August 02, 2008, 08:12:35 pm
I missed this one until now. I was looking at the bom page. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o Wow that is nice
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 02, 2008, 09:50:35 pm
Thanks Jesse, Im glad you found it and glad you like it.  Justin
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: DirtyDan on August 03, 2008, 01:46:28 pm
Fantastic job, Justin.  What an incredible job of problem-solving some of the difficult issues all of us have with bending Ipe and bamboo, static recurve alignment, and short-bow tillering.  This is a magnificent project of which you should be very proud.  We are all very proud of your efforts here.  The kerf cut is something Dean Torges suggests, but I have always been afraid to try it.  You did it very well.  I love the overlay solution you had for the extremely bent tips, also.  Just excellent in every respect.  Congratulations.  I vote it BOW OF THE DECADE!!!

Dan Spier
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 03, 2008, 04:10:04 pm
Thanks Dan for the very kind words.  I had read the kerf before but it didn't work like I read it. Without the wood insert it is nearly impossible to get enough wood into the bottom of the cut to fill it and not have air pockets.  I know because I tried several times.  ;D Justin
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Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 01:30:01 am
Justin as I told you before, That is just flat out AWESOME!
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Post by: Justin Snyder on August 04, 2008, 09:57:51 am
Thanks Thimo
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Post by: Okie on August 04, 2008, 12:12:33 pm
Hey Justin,
I've got a few pigs around here...send it to me and I'll try it out fur ya. ;D Just kiddin...Very nice bow. :)

John
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2008, 01:46:37 pm
Justin, All you need now is a pig THICKET! ;D
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 04, 2008, 02:09:17 pm
Thanks John, I had it all boxed up then I read that you were kidding.
Pat, we have a few down the river where the salt cedar is so thick you have to crawl through.  We even have a few up on the mountain where in the scrub oak.  I think those both qualify.  There aren't a lot of pigs, but I saw the tracks the other day from a huge one.  :o Justin
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Post by: jamie on August 04, 2008, 06:50:28 pm
awesome
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Post by: Justin Snyder on August 04, 2008, 06:59:21 pm
awesome
;)
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Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2008, 09:08:16 pm
Cool. That is one quarry I'd love to stalk.       Pat
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Post by: mullet on August 04, 2008, 11:01:57 pm
  Well Pat, You were invited before,  but but you said it was snowing. ::)
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Post by: radius on November 23, 2009, 03:09:37 pm
outstanding craftsmanship
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Post by: Justin Snyder on November 23, 2009, 04:34:39 pm
Thanks radius.

Justin, All you need now is a pig THICKET! ;D
Guess what Pat, I found a 350 pound boar Saturday. I know which trail he is using to get to water so he and I have a date over the holiday weekend.  >:D
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Post by: Keenan on November 23, 2009, 06:11:00 pm
 Good luck on your Hog hunt Justin, Be carefull them things can get nasty. :o   BTW Nice to have another look at that bow. Awesome job
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: Justin Snyder on November 23, 2009, 06:14:50 pm
Keenan, I saw the tusks on this bad boy up close and personal Saturday. They could sure mess you up in a hurry.  :o
Title: Re: Pig thicket bow (finished pictures page 2)
Post by: dragonman on November 24, 2009, 01:40:13 pm
Really nice bow, ingenius solution to the static recurves