Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: cowboy on August 20, 2008, 07:27:30 pm
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Been a long two day rain out at work so have been busy stripping bark/sapwood off my osage trying to claim it back from the borers - they put up a pretty good fight :). Only got four logs to go then I can start looking for more trees to cut down - Not! Think I'm good for awhile.
Anyway, got tired of that and had a sit down with a piece of rock. Turned into an Andice/ Calf creek point. Was going extremely well until one of the shoulders fell off - bet ya can't find the glue line 8) ;D.
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WOW that is an awesome point! nice job....
what glue line???
ha.
wade
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8) cool notches 8)
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Man oh man Paul, you have quite a pile of that yeller wood. Happy whittling. Kenneth
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Looks like you need some help managing that wood pile. It might interfere with your knapping and cause you to break a point. ;) Great looking point. Justin
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Great looking point. Did you punch those notches? Oh, and is that cholla cactus on the ground there?
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Ok I'm satesfied make 11 more just like that and send them on.
R.C.
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I could have used a lot of help managing that pile of wood in the last coupla days - I'm good now ;D.
Steve: I used my hand flaker with the copper hammered flat pretty much all the way in till my copper got too short, about three secondary percussion flakes in the shoulder gave up on me. I'm gonna make some more ;).
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Oh yea, that's cholla laying there. though it doesn't grow around here I've accumulated plenty - need some?
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Sure-that stuff makes some purty knife handles and stuff. I need to try more punch notching, haven't done enough to get the hang of it. A lot of what I've read said that the Indians apparantly did a lot of punching the notches in on their points.
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I haven't done enough to get the hang of it either, this is my second attempt - the first worked out a lot better but I was doing a lot of knapping then, am working with wood more than knapping here lately.
OK, I still have your address - consider it done :)..
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Great lookin point Paul. I still have one rock left of that you sent me. I'm building the courage to try it. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to get a slab knocked off one big enough to do something with.
Next year I plan to spend a lot more time around the "knapping pit" down at Pappys. Maybe I'll learn something ???
Until then, my number 1 arrow is wearing one of yours.
BTW, is it here???
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Paul: A wise knapper once told me: "You're not supposed to tell about the glue".
Who was it: You ;D
Nice point no matter what.
Stay dry. We've had about 8 inches of rain in the last two weeks. Most in the last few days. Quit sending it our way.
Mike
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Me so jealous! Now when you going to make some more points from that obsidian I sent ya? ;D
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Very nice point,Looks like you been busy with that wood. :)
Pappy
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Nope, your on the right side Shannon but the line goes from the center of notch to about half way up the point almost two inches long. I hated to mention that glue Mike but it's been so long since I've knapped I thought I could slip that in there unnoticed ::). I'll tackle a peice of that obs next David - just so many projects going on at one time.
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hey cowboy good looking point,,,,do we work out of the same shop?your set up looks juat like mine, tore all to heck,looks like some drunk heafer ran through it.......mooooo
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Yeah! Tell me about it. Did get to work on cutting down and preping some oceanspray to make a short bow out of! we shall see how it come out in 3 to 4 months!
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Thanks James, and I hear ya - I been meanin to clean that up ::). I don't imagine my shop has near as much neat stuff in it as yours does though :).. I thought ocean spray was for arra's David, never seen one before - guess they get bigger than I thought. Got any pictures? Here's another one (and it aint obs but I just love my rocks ;D). You'll all be glad to know that it didn't suffer any broken shoulders in the chippin process. I want them notches to go deeper but will have to work on my thining a little - these are just over 3/4".
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Whatcha talkin about Paul? I cant event get close to that yet!!!
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PS: Oceanspray, if ya know where to look, can get up to 3" in diameter. Mine was about 1-1 1/2" thick and boy is this stuff dense, even when wet!!!
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Nice points Paul!
Alan
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Exceptional. What region does the Calf Creek point come from, and from what time span? PD
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Thanks Alan.
Pete: Andice and Calf Creek's are virtually the same thing. Andice are from the early Archaic period, 8,000 to 5,000 years before present. Calf Creek's are from the same time only from mid to later Archaic - I don't know how they differenciate the two. Andice is present for most of the southern central US, from OK, AR, West La, and most of TX. Calf Creek's stretched into the Northern Central US - MN, WI, IA, IL, and Indiana.
Cool stuff but not all that old :).
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I have a friend who found a Calf creek about the size of the first one you posted. He found it in a creek bed a few years ago. I wish I had a picture to show you. The best I remember it was a darker color, maybe blueish grey. but the cool part was it had what looked like a lightning bolt running diagonally across it. I remember seeing it and was just amazed by it.
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Wish I could see that thing Shannon - I'd love to find one. Down south I-35 here thiers a town by the name of Andice and it's in flint and arrowheads everywhere country - gotta be where the first one was dug up. I gotta do a little more rock kickin down thata way ;).
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Confession is good for the soul. You got it off your chest and then look what you did. Bested yourself. Those are great Paul. I thought I'd get some knapp'n done this week, but never broke out the tools. Bummer.
Mike
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That is absolutely bummer Mike, thout should meditate as often as possible ;D.
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great point as usual brother, looks like you got plenty of wood to work too... I will have the points you made on my arrows this fall.. along with some Joe made me... hope to make meat with them ... keep your chin to the wind ..Hawk a/ho
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Thanks Mike! And if you or Joe either one make meat, be sure and post the story - would love to hear it :).
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Alright Paul! I want a side profile!!! I want to see how thin you are gettin those suckers. Made a lancelot this evening but its humpy. You have got to show me how to get them thin one of these days!!!! URRRR!!!!
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OK, I'll do it. But I warn you, thiers a thick spot on both of em ;D.
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I don't do any knappin', but I sure do appreciate all the work and skill you guys show in these points! Those are some purty points Cowboy! :)
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Thanks Greg! It's deffinantly a learned process :).
OK, D - here's the side pic's. I warned you they had thick spots ;). Thier not all that thin by any primitive's standard but I'll be working on that - then deeeep notches ;D.
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HA!!!! I knew it. I'm not as bad as I thought! YIPPPEEEE!!!!!! ;D
I like them though! Discovered something while knaping today. Always remove the humps first before trying for pattern flaking! Been trying to do both and ended up with points that where humpy here and humpy there. Got my first good one today!
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Congrats! Yeah, you wanna take off your big thinning flakes early in the process so your not breaking your work in half later on.
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Killer points Paul,
The TN Classic "Johnstone Champion" strikes again ;D
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Thank ya much Jonathen ;D.
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Paul, I remember a few years back seeing a photo of an extinct bison skull somebody found that had a Calf Creek point buried in it. I remember that the archy's were surprised, they always thought that the Calf Creek type was a knife, but to stick through a bison skull, it would've had to have been on the end of an atlatl dart.
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Yeah, I read somewhere that they've decided that they were indeed atlatl points. May have had something to do with that skull.
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They must have been a bit smaller than the points you made. How big where they? I will have to try my hand at it myself. I be the large ones where lance points while the smaller ones where atlatl points.
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Tiller, that one was big, at least as big as Pauls, maybe bigger. I think a big heavy point on a dart would be the ticket for big mean critters.