Primitive Archer

Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Ryano on August 29, 2008, 01:59:14 pm

Title: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 29, 2008, 01:59:14 pm

I'm pumped about using these baby's this year! My first time using stone points and natural shafts for hunting. The points are obsidian from Justin Snyder, that my neighbor outbackbob48 knaped for me in exchange for some stone. The points are hafted with pine pitch glue and whitetail sinew and the Cain arrows,and sinew wraps are finished with pine pitch varnish. One weighs 560 grains and the other one 565. All and all I couldn't be more pleased with the way these arrows came out, They shoot right were I'm looking.  I just hope I can manage to run one threw a nice buck this fall.  >:D  ;D

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Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Papa Matt on August 29, 2008, 02:17:18 pm

Killer arrows Ryan! The fletching is awesome. Did you put pitch on the vein of the feather to make it stick to the shaft as well or are they just loose and laying flat?

~~Papa Matt

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 29, 2008, 02:25:43 pm

Matt, I cheated a little bit and used the fletching tape to hold the feathers in place  :-[ but they are wrapped on both ends and the middle with sinew.  ;)

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: cowboy on August 29, 2008, 02:31:04 pm

Those are some great looking arra's Ryan - I fugure you'll be sticking one in a deer soon :). I'm still laboring on mine - just put a coat of reddish dye on em, the color almost exactly matches yours.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: sailordad on August 29, 2008, 02:35:54 pm

the only thing that could make them arrows more spectacular looking would be some meat sticking on the tips >:D

very nice wish i had them

                                                                    tim

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 29, 2008, 02:46:08 pm

Those are sweet looking arrows Ryan.  I love everything about them.  Justin

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Pat B on August 29, 2008, 03:47:13 pm

Cool arrows, Ryan. What do you think about the pitch glue and varnish?     Pat

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: TRACY on August 29, 2008, 04:00:10 pm

Looks like a lethal combination. Good luck!

Tracy

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: hawkbow on August 29, 2008, 04:21:22 pm

WOW! those are some great looking arrows. I am certain you will make meat with them. happy hunting brother..... look forward to some pics of them bloody   .... HAWK A/ho

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Hillbilly on August 29, 2008, 04:44:54 pm

Great looking arrows, hope you get them even redder soon.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 29, 2008, 06:50:23 pm

Thanks everyone! I sure hope I get a good shot at even a doe with these arrows. I think that will be the ultimate trophy!
Pat, I really like the pine pitch glue. I was shocked how strong it holds. I shot these into a foam target with just the pitch holding them and they held just fine. I think you could just glue them with pitch and not even need to wrap 'em with sinew. The varnish works surprisingly well also especially over the sinew wraps.....

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: kayakfisher on August 29, 2008, 06:52:14 pm

those are some cool looking arrows
                     Dennis

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Pat B on August 29, 2008, 06:54:21 pm

Ryan, With pitch glue, if the head comes loose you can just reheat it and let it set back and it will be as strong as ever.     Pat

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Cromm on August 29, 2008, 07:07:45 pm

Very nice work!!
Best of luck with them too!!

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: mullet on August 29, 2008, 10:17:29 pm

  Those are some great looking arrows, Hope you get a shot with them.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Woodland Roamer on August 29, 2008, 10:20:49 pm

Super nice arrows Ryan, great job hafting those points. Hope you get a deer with both of them.

Alan

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: cowboy on August 29, 2008, 10:28:29 pm

Now I'm going to have to learn how to make pine pitch glue and varnish - where might a feller come across that information ;D?

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 29, 2008, 10:50:02 pm

Thanks everyone. They were actually pretty easy to make just sort of time consuming. Straightening the Cain shafts was the hardest part.

Paul, Patb told me how to do it. Its really quite simple. The glue is 1/3 pine pitch (the white gooey stuff on pine tree's)1/3 bee's wax, and 1/3 finely ground charcoal. Get your self a hot fire going and melt your pine goo in a coffee can. Try to get all the impurity's out of the pine goo like bark and bugs and stuff. Then mix the in the wax and the charcoal. Then take a stick and ball up the goo on the end of the stick while its cooling. This will give you a glue ball. Then just use the glue ball like you would hot melt for regular metal field points. once the stuff cools and it hardens its amazingly strong.

The varnish is just pine pitch dissolved in denatured alcohol. Pat said its better to use the crusty powdery white pitch for the varnish than fresh oozy stuff so the varnish with dry and not be as sticky.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Pat B on August 30, 2008, 12:12:16 am

What he said! ;D

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: The Burnt Hill Archer on August 30, 2008, 09:32:02 am

have you thought of using the pine varnish on bows? looks pretty good on them arras!

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 30, 2008, 09:54:32 am

ya, I had thought about it Phil but it tends to get sticky if you hold it in your warm hand to long. Might be ok with a coat or two of paste wax over top of it though.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: FlintWalker on August 30, 2008, 10:28:37 am

Great lookin arrows Ryan!  I believe you'll get to try 'em out this fall.  Maybe on a big buck!

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: cowboy on August 30, 2008, 10:50:15 am

Thanks Ryan/ Pat: I know I've seen that recipe on here before - this time I wrote it down ::) ;).

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: mullet on August 30, 2008, 01:47:50 pm

I've found an easy way to get pine pitch. Just put some "fat lighter, lighterknot" pine wood in a can of water. Bring it to a boil
. The resin will float to the top . Then take a pop-cycle stick and just twirl it through the floating resin. As it builds up on the stick, occasionly dip it in some cold water and then twirl some more. When you want to use the resin just heat it and drip.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Outbackbob48 on August 30, 2008, 05:36:54 pm

Ryan ,  Your finished arrows look even better than when I saw them last week. I hope the heads hold up to the job ahead they are to the best of my abilty at this time, I hope I can improve my Knapping skills, Justin an Ryan thanks for the great obsidian, It,s nice to work an pretty sharp. The cane arrows are really straight and pretty to boot. Great job Ryan     Later Bob

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: cowboy on August 30, 2008, 09:20:45 pm

Thanks Eddie - I'm jotting that down in my recipe ;).

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Far East Archer on August 31, 2008, 01:27:11 am

Wow really cool arrows Ryan!

That pine finish really came out well, no wonder you were askin about using it for bows.
Is there some ingredient you could add to it that will make it more heat resistant? Maybe linseed oil....I dunno  ;D

Again, those are really nice and thanks for the tips, gonna write those down too hehe

Alex

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on August 31, 2008, 10:46:36 am

Thanks Bob. I appreciate you making the heads for me. I think you did a very good job.
Thank you Alex. I don't know. I guess I'll have to experiment.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Sparrow on August 31, 2008, 12:52:06 pm

 Those are fine looking arrows,Looks like you got the tools,now you just gotta "neek up on something.Good work!  Frank

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: PeteC on September 01, 2008, 10:29:19 pm

Man,those ought to get the coon!!! Very nice!!   God Bless

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Pappy on September 02, 2008, 06:19:49 am

Great looking arrows Ryan,they should do the job. ;) :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Little John on September 02, 2008, 11:27:07 pm

Those primitive arrows really are fun,  rewarding, and functual. Nice work, hope they do all you ask opf them, actually I am sure they will.   Kenneth

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Dustybaer on September 03, 2008, 07:28:45 am

them are very nice arrows.  i likes them a lot.  ;D  so, being a master bowyer was not enough, eh?  you wanna become a masterfletcher too?  well done, my friend.

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: GregB on September 03, 2008, 08:12:46 am

Those are good looking arrows Ryan! I've got a dozen cane made up that I'm planning to hunt with this year, they're all I'm shooting right now. ;)

Title: Re: My first primitive hunting arrows.
Post by: Ryano on September 03, 2008, 10:57:27 am

Thanks guys. I'm sure they will do their job, I just hope I can do my part and shoot'em in the goodys.... :)
Marius, I'm the master of nothing....I try to be a jack of all trades. Thanks buddy.  ;D