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Title: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Red Dwarf on September 02, 2008, 10:39:13 pm
After 3 failures on the tiller tree I have, at last, got a backed bow that is a shooter.
This one is hickory backed Ipe; 62" ntn, 1 1/2" Perry reflex on the form, 1/2" reflex when unbraced.
I was trying for 48# but, due to my lack of experience with both rasps and Ipe I ended up with a weak spot about 2/3 of the way along the lower limb; by the time I had balanced things up the bow came in light at 40#.
I had trouble getting the limbs bending at the fades and would welcome all comments before making another attempt.

Red Dwarf

ps Isn't it strange the way that the yellow dust from Ipe turns pink when introduced to soap on hand washing?


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Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: knightd on September 02, 2008, 11:07:52 pm
Tiller looks great!!! good job...

David
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Dano on September 02, 2008, 11:37:35 pm
Looks good to me too, kinda hard to tell with a canted full draw picture, but hey after three failed bows this baby is perfect.
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Rich Saffold on September 02, 2008, 11:50:56 pm
Red Dwarf, From what I see this bow looks pretty good. Especially considering its your forth bow.

 Ipe can make really fast bows but isn't aways the best for beginners since limbs are so slender, and wood removal has to be more precise. I recommend getting good with a scraper since rasps tend to remove too much Ipe when getting close on the tiller.

Rich

Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: sailordad on September 03, 2008, 12:21:48 am
ya igree with rich, scraper much better than a rasp with ipe, however from what i can see in the pics looks good.

could you get a full draw pic where the bow is more vertical,it would show tiller much better.

question for ya, you said the ipe has a yellow dust,never seen that before. ive made about 4 boo/ipe bows and the ipe dust has always been brown.are you sure that the yellow dust is from the ipe?

and whats with this thing you call "hand washing"?  ;D lol


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Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Badbill on September 03, 2008, 01:55:27 am
Nice bow! ;D The tiller looks good. A straight up fulldraw would make it easier to see though.
Hey Sailordad, you know what handwashing is, that was what our mommas used to make us do before dinner. ;D
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: knightd on September 03, 2008, 03:35:18 am
Sailordad Ipe has a yellowish green dust that you can see taste and also feel as it burns your nose and makes your skin itch!!!!!
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Pappy on September 03, 2008, 05:54:42 am
Looks good to me ,from what I can see,what is your draw ? If it ant to long you could always cut in down and inch or so on each end and pick the weight back up,then tweak the tiller a little.A straight
up full draw pic. would help. :) Very nice job on your 4th bow.Wished my 4th turned out like that. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Shaun on September 03, 2008, 11:19:27 am
I like it! Tiller looks great to me but its hard to tell 'cause the scenery in the background is so damn lovely. Could you please post a picture with a blank wall or even some trash cans or junk cars in the background. All I can think about when I see the lake and those hills is going hunting.
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Red Dwarf on September 03, 2008, 11:51:19 am
Thanks

I will try to post a vertical full draw pic tonight.

Although this is my first "sucess" with a backed bow I have made a half-dozen self bows before trying wood backing.

Red Dwarf
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: cowboy on September 03, 2008, 12:07:02 pm
That looks good to me, even if it did come out light. I've yet to get a lam to tiller, my first two attempts never made it past glue up ;D.
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Pictures for comments on tiller please
Post by: Red Dwarf on September 03, 2008, 09:29:52 pm
Here is a picture at full draw with the bow in a more vertical position.
Should have thought of this at the start!!

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Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2008, 09:34:24 pm
It looks pretty darn good.  If you want to get a little of the weight back you can cut 1" off each limb tip. With that wood combo you are safe doing it. It looks fine and you can also just shoot it and start another one.  Justin
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Rich Saffold on September 04, 2008, 01:04:10 am
 ;D Like Justin said , you could make it heavier, but I I'd just shoot the heck out of it and get a perfect matched arrow for the 3-d meets.. Maybe go wider like 1 1/8th outside the fades and a slightly thicker backing if you want a bit more poundage/zip..

Do you live in BC? At least thats what the scenery looks like..

Rich
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Red Dwarf on September 04, 2008, 01:27:32 pm
Yes Rich, I am in the Kootenay Region of SE B.C.

I think I will just shoot it as is and will have another try at the 48# mark.

Should I go for a similar tiller or should the tips be moving a little more?

Red Dwarf
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: OldBow on September 04, 2008, 01:30:49 pm
Great looking bow. Wish I could shoot it. Tiller looks good in either picture and I really like the lake background. Congratulations on a fine bow.
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 04, 2008, 01:44:22 pm
You could get the outer limbs bending more on the next one if you want.  This design is actually fairly fast as long as the wood is durable enough, and Ipe is.  The only other concern is hand shock.  If you tiller it to look just like this then start narrowing the non bending outer limb until it just wants to start bending, (similar to a holmegaard style bow) you can get amazing performance. There is nothing wrong with this one though.  You should be mighty proud of it.  Justin
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: grantmac on September 04, 2008, 02:28:57 pm
Is that from the Ipe I sent you? You're making better use it it then I have so far thats for sure ;D
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Rich Saffold on September 04, 2008, 02:55:56 pm
Red Dwarf, I spent a lot of time in your region when I was younger..used to hanglide off that mountain above Kaslo a lot...There's some big Grizzly's in that area, having seen one up close...I recently shipped a bow to Nelson...

Rich-
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Red Dwarf on September 04, 2008, 03:14:36 pm
Justin

Are you saying that as I get the tips bending more handshock will increase?

Grant

Yes this is some of that Ipe that you kindly picked out for me.  Thanks again

Rich

I am about 15 minutes out of Nelson.. a great part of the world. There was a really nice grizzly taken not far from there this spring. Lots of bears in this area. What type of bow did you send up, I only know of one other trad guy around here?

Thanks for the help

Red Dwarf
Title: Re: Hickory backed Ipe. Another full draw added
Post by: Rich Saffold on September 04, 2008, 03:49:17 pm
Red Dwarf, It was a youth bow that I sent to a lady who runs a restaurant there.. I guess the owner visited friends  here (Santa Barbara) who I had made bows for and wanted one for her son.

I spent 5 summers traveling around BC and  would like to go back when the time is right...

Usually getting the outer limbs bending more lessens handshock, but I bet your bow doesn't have any..I make similar styles especially for those who like to slay foam targets.. ;D

Rich