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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Don on September 14, 2008, 08:08:07 pm

Title: Tiller check please
Post by: Don on September 14, 2008, 08:08:07 pm
I know I was going for a bendy handle but after the last one BLEW UP I needed a confidence builder.
Hickory backed w/linen [spliter lifted at end of tiller so the linen].
70" TtT
68" NtN
1 1/4" widest part of limb
7/8" wide handle
50#@28"
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh320/Docor29/006.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh320/Docor29/005.jpg)
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh320/Docor29/001.jpg)
First picture, top limb looks funny but it could the house siding.
Thanks    Don
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: The Burnt Hill Archer on September 14, 2008, 08:19:02 pm
looks good to me. what kinda set has it taken? can we see an unbraced side profile?

Phil
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: bowmo on September 14, 2008, 08:19:52 pm
Certainly looks good to me... Almost looks like it might be better flipped around so your top limb would be the bottom...but good looking none the less. Nice work...

dan
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: DanaM on September 14, 2008, 08:21:34 pm
Looks pretty darn good Don, hows it shoot? any hand shock?
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: cracker on September 14, 2008, 08:36:05 pm
What they said. Looks like a meat maker to me.R.C.
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Pat B on September 14, 2008, 08:47:29 pm
This bow sure should have built a little confidence for you. Nice tiller. ;)     Pat
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: George Tsoukalas on September 14, 2008, 08:57:51 pm
Yes, indeed. Very nicely done. Jawge
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Don on September 14, 2008, 09:14:09 pm
Thanks Guys.
It took about 2 1/2" of set on the top limb and 2" on the bottom. A bit more then I would have liked.
The lower limb is slightly heavier then the top, that's why I left it as the bottom limb.
I thick the stronger of the two goes on the bottom for 3 fingers under. Correct?
There is very little hand shock. There is just a very little bit.
It shoot fairly well, but the cast I think could be better.
I first mist my target weight  by about 6# so i had to cut off 1" of each tip and brought it back to 50#.
Well I guess I need to start another.

Don
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Dano on September 14, 2008, 09:27:28 pm
I think 1 1/4" is just to narrow for hickory, too much stress on the limbs and loss of cast. My next hickory will probably be a wide piramid, maybe 2" wide. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Don on September 14, 2008, 09:45:29 pm
Hi Dano.
This was the left over peace after riping down a board.
My other peaces are 1 3/4" wide, Maybe I should have gone 2" but to late now.
Don
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Dano on September 14, 2008, 10:41:59 pm
I hear ya Don, a guys gotta do what a guys gotta do.
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: bowmo on September 15, 2008, 12:05:40 am
I just dont know dano. I use to have the same mindset a few years back, but these days I feel like wide bows are just no good aside for a handfull of more uncommon designs. To me it seems that just as if you make a recurve too thin you will pull it out, if you make you limbs over a inch and a half the limbs get so thin they too kind of pull out in a way. This is far more true with bows that have been reflexed but I believe it to be true overall. I make all my bows between and inch to an inch and a quarter. I would rather make a bow a bit longer than a wider.

Make sense?

dan
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Don on September 15, 2008, 12:25:12 am
Here ya go Phil.
Remeasured the set not quite as much as I thought.
Lower 1 3/4"------upper 2 1/4"
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh320/Docor29/008.jpg)

Don
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: Pappy on September 15, 2008, 07:12:25 am
Looks good to me,that set ant bad at all for Hickory.I like mine 1 5/8 to 1 3/4 also on Hickory
if possible,but you have to go with what you have. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: The Burnt Hill Archer on September 15, 2008, 12:26:47 pm
like was said, 1 1/4 is a bit narrow for hickory, but do what you can with what youve got! the set is nice and even so i wouldnt  be too upset with it. it deffinately looks good to me. im with Pappy on the width, 1 5/8 to 1 3/4. 2" wide if shorter than 64".

Phil
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: 1/2primitive on September 15, 2008, 08:18:50 pm
Looks good, I think it could bend a bit more in the fades, but that's not a big concern.
    Sean
Title: Re: Tiller check please
Post by: D. Tiller on September 15, 2008, 08:34:28 pm
I've always gone with the idea its the amount of wood you have bending that determines how the bow will behave and not the dimensions of the bow itself. I have looked at pyramid bows and longbows of the same draw weight and the amount of wood that is moving  is about the same and they take about the same kinda set. I bet if you made the bow a bit longer it would have taken less set and shot a bit faster too! Just my opinion though. But design does come into in where the wood is doing the bending as shown in BB Vo. IV. The holmalgaard bows and the the Eifal tower designs are good examples of this. Keeping the most amount of wood that does the bending closer to the handle and less at the tips makes for a faster designed bow. 

Hmmm! I wonder what happens if you make a bow equal width for its entire length that bends equally everywhere along its length if it will be a fast bow or not? Man, the more I learn about bows the more I learn I don't know about bows!!!!  :)