Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: JackCrafty on November 07, 2008, 02:45:37 pm
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This thread is devoted to posting pictures of arrow sets. No formal rules yet, just post pics and we'll see how much of a response there is. ;D
Basic rules:
1) Two Categories: Primitive and Modern.
2) Minimum of three arrows. The arrows must be a matched set.
3) Minimum of three pictures: Entire set and at least two close ups.
4) Tell us what category you wish to participate in.
5) Tell us how you made the arrows and what they will be used for.
Primitive arrows must be made of natural materials. You can gather these yourself (if you wish) but buying/trading for them is OK too. Using modern tools is OK (but using stone tools might get you more kudos). The arrows can be made of anything that was available before the year 1900.
Primitive arrows do not have to be reproductions.
All other arrows are considered modern.
The arrows will not be judged on performance. They will be judged on workmanship. This means that they can be wall-hangers, hunters, or whatever. If they are reproductions, they should be judged on how closely they match the originals. Again, they don't actually have to be working arrows.
Any input is welcome. ;D
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Start us off by posting some of yours. ;D
David
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Dang! I knew someone would say that!.....now I'll have to learn how to use that newfangled, expensive, digital camera that my wife has taken control of...... :-\
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David, I'll post pics of a new set I'm working on (when they're done.....I'm trying to buy time...can you tell?). It's been several months since I made a set of arrows for myself....all my current arrows are singles or sets of two. ;D
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I guess these would be modern then? bah, I don't care, I love'em
bamboo cane + or - 13 grains
turkey secondaries, dyed myself (first try I know they suck)
steel tips. these are target arrows (spose I could hunt with em if i threw on some broadheads)
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Zander
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very nice arrows, but did you know the mount of the bird in the background is about to fall off the shelf!!???
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Nice arras. I also like the idea of the "Best Arrow Set". I really enjoy making arrows. I tend to make a lot since I'm always "misplacing"them.
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OK.....lets start with the Modern Ones.....these are Sitka Spruce Shafts...... with Wild Turkey Feathers......and 140 grain Magnus Snuffer Broadheads......self Nocked and coated once with Tru Oil
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OK.....and here are the Primitives....these are Cane Shafts that I got from Cowboy........I think.... ??? They are fletched with Turkey Feathers and served with Sinew and Hide Glue....They are Self Nocked with Sinew and Hide Glue also....and are footed with Rosewood Shafts ....and Three have Stone Points... and One has Flu Flu Feathers and a Birdcage Blunt on it
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lol, I had my bird out and hes a pic hog
Zander
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Zander, those arrows look really good....what are you talking about? ;D
What color dye did you use on the feathers?
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Descructo! Those are awesome ;D
Keep 'em coming guys....
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Lets see...
I'll throw in this set for the modern category.
They all have horn nocks, around 5/16th diameter of an unknown wood. They look real nice. They have normal target points on them, i use them for a mixture of flight shooting and target shooting. Small goose feathers only 3" parabolic but i like them like that. ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry about the slightly fuzzy photos.
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Josh, those fletchings are unique! 8) The wood looks like ramin. What kind of distance are you getting in your flight shooting?
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OK, I snuck out of the house and took a few pics with the new digital contraption. (It actually works REALLY good...no wonder the wife commandeered it).
Anyway, this is a set that I made for one of my daughters.
It is a neo-primitive set...I used modern dyes, paints, and materials.
This first pic is the complete outfit: fox skin quiver (commercial tanned), ipe bow, and birch dowel arrows.
The bow draws 7# @ 16".
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/11-08-08/DSC_0178.jpg)
Pheasant tail fletching.
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Self nocks.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/11-08-08/DSC_0181.jpg)
Sharpened wood tips.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/11-08-08/DSC_0180.jpg)
The arrows were carved from a 5/16" birch dowels.
They are bobtailed and spined to match the bow....which was not easy.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/11-08-08/DSC_0183.jpg)
IMO is just as difficult (or even more difficult) to make a child's arrow as it is to make an adult arrow. For one, it's got to stand up to abuse, the fletch wrapping has to be smooth to prevent "ouches" when firing the arrow (as the arrow passes over the bow hand), and it has to shoot as well at 2 ft as it does out to 20 ft. It has to look "cool" too. Quite a challenge. ;D
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jackcrafty that is just way too cool :o 8)
yup now i understand your screen name,cuase jack you are crafty
tim
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Thanks Sailordad ;D
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here is one way..
http://s181.photobucket.com/albums/x74/michbowguy/?action=view¤t=38414da9.pbw
here are some more!
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Jackcrafty: lol what i meant was the bird behind the quiver, my pet bird, seems to find his way into a few pictures every once in awhile.
I used black rit dye on the feathers and as you can see the cockfeather is gray(not barred)
Zander
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Josh, those fletchings are unique! 8) The wood looks like ramin. What kind of distance are you getting in your flight shooting?
Depending on the bow, up to 250 meters, i don't think the wood is ramin, the person i aquired it off thought it may have been japanese oak?
It was a very heavy board before i cut it up and the arrows still have a spine of just over 60lbs so they are quite strong. Their colour (color) is natural
Nice arrows.
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Ok I dont think they had artificial sinew in 1900?? But would it be accepted?? It really is no diferent than wraping with thread or silk..I just like useing it.. ;D
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hmmmmmm..........
cheater ::)
Zander
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what? who said that?
Zander
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Who ??? :o
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You guys are too funny. :D
David, you can enter the primitive category with artificial sinew if you like....but I don't think you'll get many votes. Who knows?
I bet some people are already thinking that the modern category should be called something else.....like "neo-primitive". I might actually change the name of the category....maybe more people would submit pictures. Whatcha think?
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Here's some I finished recently there was 8 in the set but I gave 4 away along with a bow to a young man that lost his father :'(
Anyway rivercane with the nodes removed, wild turkey feathers hand cut glued and wrapped with silk thread, self nocks with 145g
field points, stained with leather dye and sealed with tru-oil. Someone else can figure out if their modern or primitive ::)
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nice arrows dana, i likey alot ;D
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Beautiful Job Dana......I like the Serve Job on the Fletchings
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Nice arrows everyone.
Patrick, maybe have 3 categories...primitive, neo-primitive and modern.
I'll post a few pics later today. Pat
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Here's a set I made a while back. They are modern traditional, and made from tonkin cane.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/neil-wil/booarrows0001.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/neil-wil/booarrowsfull0001.jpg)
Thanks for taking a look.
Neil
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Neil them are to purty to shoot ::) Very nice :)
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It might be simpler to have one catagory, "Real Nice Arrows"? ;)
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these are primitive. made from shoots, stained with pokeweed, selfnocks, fire hardened tips, turkey wing feathers wraped with sinew
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Really nice work everybody. I love arras. Sure they are all pretty much the same thing but at the same time they are all so different. Mitchman was exactly is pokeweed?
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its a weed with red berrys on it in groups like grapes kind of. it stains your hands real easy ::)
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I wonder if poke berry is what we used to call snake berry's..
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OK, so far we have entries from:
ZanderPomo
El Destructo
Limey-Josh
jackcrafty
DanaM
anglobow
mitchman
There's still plenty of time to enter arrows.....this thread will remain at the top of the "Arrows" forum until January. If we get a lot of entries before then (say...about 20), I will ask Eddie if we can take an early vote.
;D
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DanaM, outstanding craftsmanship. Especially liked he way the feathers were spiral wrapped onto he shaft. Beaufiful work!!!!
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DanaM, outstanding craftsmanship. Especially liked he way the feathers were spiral wrapped onto he shaft. Beaufiful work!!!!
Thank you xin :)
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OK now I know what pokeberries are, when we were kids we would squish them on ourselves and pretend we had been shot. Come to think of it, that was pretty weird. ???
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come on, we're primative archers. I think we all got a little bit of wierd lurking inside, where most kids join football we start archery teams
Zander
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Here are 3 of my hunting arrows for this year. Hill cane, self nocked shafts, Eastern Woodland style 2 fletch and one modified 2 fletch, tied in with sinew. Two obsidian points and one Texas chert point all hafted with pitch glue, sinew wrapped and sealed with pitch varnish(all sinew wraps). Points were made by others, not me. Arrow weights from 551gr to 621gr.
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Those look awesome Pat! The hill cane looks really bright...did you peel off the outer layer or is it natural? Did you reinforce the nocks with wood plugs?
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this was my first set.
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this my second set. first picture shows how it started. second picture shows how it ended (after about 2 years of tournaments) ;D
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and these are sets i made for friends (mostly birthday presents) ;D
as you can tell, i finally saw the light and did away with those awefull plastic nocks. the last two sets have selfnocks ;D
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Dustybear, fantastic paint jobs on those arrows! Am I seeing two-feather-fletch on the last two sets of arrows?
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thanks. yep, you sure do ;D and no glue. just tied down.
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Patrick, Marius is where I got the idea for the 2 fletch I use. Not too bad for a PBR drinking Transylvanian. ;D Hey, that makes 2 of us! :o Nice arrows Marius. Aren't those the colors of Germany?
Patrick, the cane shafts are natural color. I have been playing with some simple dye designs to break up the brightness but I don't think it really matters. I usually glue in a piece of dowel or bamboo skewer before I cut the nock but it is not necessary. I think it protects the string better by eliminating sharp edges inside the nock. The wrap will keep it from splitting.
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thanks pat. yes they are the colors of germany. not too bad for a PBR drinking redneck ;D (and since i promissed not to, i won't bring up the fact that i haven't had a chance to try a BPR yet)
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Those are great looking arrows Marius. I love the color splice you have done. Justin
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Marius, come to the Classic and I promise you PBR! ;)
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...again! ::)
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Marius don't let Pat poison you with that swill :P My brother is married to a german gal and she prefers Stroh's :)
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Dana, spell Strohs backwards. That is hat that beer is made of! ;D Pat
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Pat Stroh's is fire brewed Bohemian Beer, Pabst is just stump water :)
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Here is a set I made in 2003. Cedar shafts with self nocks reinforced with rawhide splines, crown dipped with Crylon green spray paint and sealed with water based poly. 2 points are Wensel's woodsmen BH and one obsidian point. Feathers are artificial barred 5 1/2" shield cut and rabbit zonkers tracers. Fletching glued with fletch tape and wrapped fore and aft with artificial sines. Obsidian point is hafted with pitch glue and wrapped with sinew and sealed with pitch varnish.
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wow, those are nice, pat. didn't mean to rib you..again. just couldn't resist (i'm such a weak person ;D).
thanks, justin.
dana, yeah, but she's a gal. pat tells me, men (manly men, that is) drink PBR ;D
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;D 8)
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dana, yeah, but she's a gal. pat tells me, men (manly men, that is) drink PBR ;D
She might be a gal but she can drink all three of us under the table Marius :o And probably a couple more to boot
plus she only goes about 100 lbs, you of all people must know how them German girls are ;) ;D
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Pat, what are "rabbit zonker tracers"? That's the first time I've seen em. They look like dyed hair?
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Zonkers are strips of rabbit hair dyed in various colors, they are used in fly tying.
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What Dana said. ;) I use them to help see my arrows in flight and on contact, especially with dark fletching and natural turkey and goose feathers. When shot they lay down and don't effect flight then spring open on contact so they are quite disable. Some folks make them from marabou feathers and some use synthetic tracers. Pat
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primitive luminocks :o ;D 8)
i gotta remember that,that is way cool
tim
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She might be a gal but she can drink all three of us under the table Marius :o And probably a couple more to boot
plus she only goes about 100 lbs, you of all people must know how them German girls are ;) ;D
yep, i know....i married one ;D
pat, how wide are those strips of fur? i like the appearance and i happen to have some rabbit fur at home ;D
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Marius the ones I have are about 1/8 inch wide
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wow, that's narrow. thanks dana.
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Current List of Entries:
1. ZanderPomo
2. El Destructo
3. Limey-Josh
4. jackcrafty
5. DanaM
6. anglobow
7. mitchman
8. PatB
9. Dustybaer
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Marius, The ones I get are 1/4" to 1/8" wide and cheap. Probably get enough strips to make a few dozen arrows for about $2 or less. If you are gonna cut your own, be ready for an itchy nose and lots of sneezing. :o ;). For colors, I prefer white or the chartreuse. They seem to be the most visible under low light conditions, when they are needed most.
I pre-fit it around the shaft and cut to length, add glue and wrap around. I have been using fletch tape lately but have used TB glue or Duco and on one occasion I used contact cement. With the fletch tape and contact cement they stick when you apply them. For other glues a few straight pins will hold the tracer in place until the glue sets. Pat
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Sorry about the picture quality, but here is the dozen bamboo hex arrows that I spent a year on.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/Ionian/BambooHexShafts004.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/Ionian/BambooHexShafts002.jpg)
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The next dozen will be starting soon.
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These are the first of 2 sets I'll post for what I suppose is the neo-primitive class of arrows.This first set are 5 switchcane shafts.4 hafted with trade broadheads,(from bandsaw blade),and 1 trade field point,(from a chainsaw bar),for deer targer practice.Secondary turkey wing feathers,and all bindings deer sinew.3 weigh in at 525gr.,are 30" from nock to base of head.There is a 6th arrow with field point,but broke its nock and had to shorten,so I left it out of the picture .All 6 shoot perfect.They are dipped in oil base paint for no other reason than to increase weight.I made these a couple of weeks ago,and they are matched to my snakey osage,"Shes got legs"..The other 3 are for my wife.They are 450 gr.and have the lighter heads. God Bless
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This is the second set of neo-primitive I'll post.They are chinese privet shafts ,topped with" critter gitters",(from band saw blade),for small game.I made these the other day.Turkey secondaries,deer sinew binding.All these arrows (both posts), are nothing special.It's what I hunt with.,The points are different sizes to match weight,they all weigh 525 gr. I included the wasted one( courtesy of my favorite son in law,Zach,who just joined this site last week),while we were stump shootin'.It was only this arrows 3rd shot.Get this,he broke mine with one I'd just built for him!!The critter gitters show no mercy.(I hope he reads this) Just funnin' you Zach. God Bless
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Good stuff all around everyone.
Pete, those critter gitters must be devastating. Privet is tuff stuff and it looks like it was no match for that point.
Neil
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IONIAN, have you shot those arrows yet? (have you put points on them?) They are truly awesome looking arrows...
PeteC, very cool critter points. Great looking arrows overall! Good to see that they have been tested in the field as well. ;D
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Revised list:
1. ZanderPomo
2. El Destructo
3. Limey-Josh
4. jackcrafty
5. DanaM
6. anglobow
7. mitchman
8. PatB
9. Dustybaer
10. IONIAN
11. PeteC
Revised categories:
Primitive (pre-1900)
Neo-Primitive (looks primitive - modern materials)
Modern
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OK here is 1 of two sets I made lately.. these are Tonkin cane self knocks with artificial sinew wrapping. I used modern dye. The feathers are hand split and ground turkey..They are weight matched and spined..
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This set is also tonkin cane.. Same as above but different dye job...
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I know I don't post much here but I thought that this would be a good way for me to really get into knowing all of you good people here at PA. My husband, knightd, is a very active member and I would like to be a part of all of this. This is my first set of arrows and I am very proud of them. They are tonkin cane, they are matched in weight within 30 grains of each other and spined at 55-60#. I hand split and ground the turkey feathers. For the first time all by myself, without his help!!! ;D ;) Besides that, I couldn't let him show me up with his!! ::) ;D The fletchings are wrapped with artificial sinew. I'll tell you one thing, cutting the self knocks was REALLY interesting!!! Feel free to leave any feedback, either positive or negative, to let me know how I am doing.
I really learned a lot from doing these and I am currently working on my next set. It seems that this set is coming along a lot easier and faser than the first ones. I'll be sure to post pics of the next set. Thanks for your input in advance.
(http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll323/knight3169/Arrows/bows110.jpg)
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WOW! knightc71...can you talk to my wife? Maybe send me some "magic" feather dust so that I can sprinkle it on her and turn her into an arrow maker too??? >:D
Awesome arrows guys!
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LOL!!! :D :D I'll see what I can do about that!! I've also chased rings on a couple of osage staves for him and I think I would prefer making arrows!!! ;)
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You've chased rings too!? :o
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All of you would really be surprised at everything I help him with. I know that this is something that he enjoys doing and so I figure that since we are one in the same, I should support him in any way that I can. And besides that, HE does all the cooking!!! :D ;D :o I also have him house broke!! HE PUTS THE SEAT DOWN!!!!!!! >:D
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Very nice arrows Cora, hows your gift for the Christmas trade coming along :)
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It's coming slow but steady. That's my latest project.
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:) :) :)
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Man I aint never going to live this one down.. :-[.
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nope.
.....................so she potty trained ya did she......
ohhh this is gonna be fun
Zander
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Don't feel alone knight most of us married men are also house trained, at least when the wifey is around ::) :P :D
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I plead the FITH !!! O:)
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there are no courts in primitive life. oogga booga! (swings club wildly)
Zander
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:o :o ;D
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oh yeah, Hello and welcome Mrs. Knight!!! glad you're finally getting involved, knightd has mentioned how much you help him many times
alright. a modern set I made in 2 hours yesterday, and another set coming up soon.
sitka spruce with autumn brown stain, personal cresting(still getting the hang of that), green & orange turkey fletchings, fl orange nirknocks with fieldpoints. spined 40-45, + or- 45 grains (would be 20 but one is heavy)
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my dog liked em so much he almost cried
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(don't worry, hes not really that ugly, in this pic hes in mid-yawn)
Zander
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Nice work Knight family. Mrs. Knight maybey I can have you talk to my wife. ;D
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Rick if she talks to her you might get potty trained to... ;D..
Zannder Those are nice!!!
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David, I refused to be trained. I put the seat cover down ,too. ;D
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finishing some ariel arrows now, may post tomorrow
Zander
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wow they came out really great, will post pics after school
zander
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my dog liked em so much he almost cried
I can barely see your dog because that funny looking ugly fuzzy critter is in front of it........ ;D
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Rick if she talks to her you might get potty trained to... ;D..
Zannder Those are nice!!!
David
When we got married and moved in together it only took one time of her falling in the toilet to train me. :o She wasn't too happy.
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:o :o :o.. ;D ;D
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Rick if she talks to her you might get potty trained to... ;D..
Zannder Those are nice!!!
David
When we got married and moved in together it only took one time of her falling in the toilet to train me. :o She wasn't too happy.
"Run Rick Run" Oh my thats funny ;D
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I got mine Trained....the Seat stays up in Our House.................... :P
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This is my first, best and only set of arrows. They work realy well. They would classify as primitive.
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5487/mandycamera066pw7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
They are made of dogwood shoots that I scraped down to 3/8" diameter. I also left the nocks bulbous. The feathers are turky secodary wing and tail feathers. They are cut in the Eastern woodland or Seneca designe. The back end of the feathers are tied down with deer leg sinew then bent over and tied in the front with more sinew.
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Here are the tips. From top to bottom
A broken blunt that I need to fix---two sinew wrapped self points that are covered in dirt from use---soketed deer anter point---deer bone point---spliced blunt---two self blunts
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By the way all of your arrow sets are very nice.
Mikael
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very cool, but why the "only set" that you're gonna make?
Zander
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Mikael, fantastic! They look authentic....and made with authentic materials.....very nice job. ;D
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okay 3rd set (is this okay?, or i set per person?)
+ or - 60 grains because of 1 light arrow this time, go figure
green dyed sitka spruce, steel 125 gr. blunts, flu-flus. 29 1/2 in (longer in case of overdraw since these are meant to be ariel arrows)
despite the pics the nocks are yellow. they're also "nirk nocks"
sealed with Johnson's paste wax
Enjoy!
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(http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo199/ZanderPommo/P1010755.jpg)
Zander
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MickaelMazz Those are beauty's
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What are nirk nocks?
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they are a snap nock with a flared opening for faster and easier nocking
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Thanks Zander...and yes, three entries is fine. There's actually no rule for number of entries. ;D
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you shouldn't have told me that. you should have told me to stop :'(
back to work then
Zander
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here's my contribution to the "Best Arrow Set" show room. the first set is japanese arrow bamboo with wood nocks and stone points. the points are attached with pitch and sinew. the feathers are wrapped with silk. they weigh in between 500 - 575gr.
the second set is made of privet stained with poke berry juice. they are self nocked and the feathers are wrapped with silk. these are heavy weights, 750-800gr. i debated about putting stone point on the ends, but ended up using ww's. both were sealed using my special blend of bees wax and olive oil. enjoy!
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Awesome set of arrows!!! By chance, are those mine?????????? Hope to have some snow goose feathers for you in a day or so!!!!
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Nice Chris! Man!, you are going to make me work ;)
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yep, the boos are yours. i'm going to box them up this weekend.
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very cool, but why the "only set" that you're gonna make?
Zander
Thanks every one,
They are not the only that I will ever make but the only set I have made. I have alot more dogwood shoots and will cut more this winter.
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I like to look at other peoples arrows when I need ideas on decorating or building arrows. What would be really nice is for everyone to post pictures of their arrows with a brief description of what they are. We could keep it as a reference to come back and look at when we need to feel inspired. We wouldn't post any other comments, just make it a photo album for reference. Justin
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I like to look at other peoples arrows when I need ideas on decorating or building arrows. What would be really nice is for everyone to post pictures of their arrows with a brief description of what they are. We could keep it as a reference to come back and look at when we need to feel inspired. We wouldn't post any other comments, just make it a photo album for reference. Justin
That is a great idea Justin! I always find myself searching for pics of arrows for inspiration when it's time to build. I will take some pics of a few different styles of arrows of mine and we will start this photo album thread.
Justin B.
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Arrow photo album...sounds great! Thanks Jbell. ;D
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Nice arrows. Who are you and what are they. ;)
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Howdy Mullet, and thanks. I'm just an old guy from Pa. Love to make BBO bows and wooden arrows. Those are river cane shafts with Osage nock and point end inserts. I hunt deer with those. A guy whom I never met, sent me a dozen of those cane shafts from South Carolina.
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Revised list:
1. ZanderPomo
2. El Destructo
3. Limey-Josh
4. jackcrafty
5. DanaM
6. anglobow
7. mitchman
8. PatB
9. Dustybaer
10. IONIAN
11. PeteC
12. knightd
13. knightc71
14. MikaelMazz
15. Mechslasher
16. Roy
Categories:
Primitive (pre-1900)
Neo-Primitive (looks primitive - modern materials)
Modern
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nice set you have there roy. that cane looks like some stuff from along my creek.
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Thanks, it did come from down there. An older gentlemen from Trad gang sent them to me. His name might have been Matt, can't really remember now. Pat B, do you remember who I am talking about? I think you were posting in a thread with him and I once. He used to be a really great shot, but the older years took it's toll on him.
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Roy, Right off hand I can't remember who he is. The years are working on me too. ;D If I remember, I'll let you know. Was it on Trad Gang that we had the conversation? Pat
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Yes, trad gang. I believe he sent cane shafts to quite a few folks.
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Was it Neil Anderson by chance. ???
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Probably Matt Edwards from eastern NC.
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OK. Yeh, Matt Edwards. ::)
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Every one has entered nice sets. :) :) It is a good competition...
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Here's a set I made earlier this year. Don't know how to classify these- River cane and hill cane, self-nocked, wild turkey fletching wrapped with combination of deer sinew and nylon thread, stone points hafted with pine pitch/deer sinew, shafts dyed with rit and finished with Tru-oil. The oddball one on the left is all primitive except for the acrylic paint. :)
(http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7569.0;attach=13871)
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Hillbilly,that is a beautiful set of arrows.They look like they're ready to go to work. God Bless
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sweet! they look like they'll kill a pig.
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Oiutstanding artwork :)
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Yes it was Matt Edwards, thanks. I was thinking SC, but now I remember it was NC.
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Ok y'all. I am new to the group, but here are my new huntin arrows. They meassure 31" in length. Weigh 575 grains. Have Cherry Wood knocks and Walnut foreshafts. Points were knapped by a friend in Penn.
TheWildCat
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Welcome WildCat. Nice arrows! look quite deadly. Pat
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Awsome arrows! Thanks Hillbilly and WildCat! I'm impressed with all the stone points.... 8)
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hillbilly, love your new set. beautiful arrows.
same goes for your set, wildcat.
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Hi All, here are the latest set of arrows I've made. They are a Christmas present for Helene, for her to use on 3Ds and paper targets. I guess they are neo-primitive, since they are modernish materials but made to suit the NFAS Primitive class over here in the UK.
The shafts are from Mark Hill (a.k.a MarkinEngland), and are chinese bamboo, spined and weight matched. The self nock and foreshaft are reinforced with glued-in osage inserts. The shafts are finished in Ronseal floor varnish for water resistance and long life (the UK seems to get closer to Seattle every year ;D). The piles were made by my friend Bob Goss, weight matched and parallel fit at 9/32". White and yellow barred plus white cock shield fletchings by Tru-Flight. The arrows come out at betwen 335 and 345 grains each across the six.
These are the first bamboo shafted arrows I've made. Maybe not the best arrows I've made, but I'm hoping they will be hard wearing and accurate from Helene's BBO Holmgaard ( see http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,6978.0.html (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,6978.0.html) ). Many thanks to Mark for the shaft supply!
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Very nice arrows. I never tried any bamboo shafts. Bet they fly well. Those Piles should stick into anything. And I like the close grain tolerance. She should really enjoy shootin those.
TheWildCat
P.S. That is one nice bow as well. I like it!!!
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Looks like it's getting pretty close to vote time. I'll have some time this weekend to review the entries and separate them into categories. The cut-off will be the day before Christmas.....so get your entries in soon if you still want to post your set.
We won't be able to vote in the same way as The Bow of The Month.....so you'll have to send an email to an impartial vote counter. Mullet (Eddie) has volunteered to count the votes (he doesn't have any arrows posted here).
There is also the issue of a prize. Eddie says he will donate a bamboo arrow with a stone point. We don't need to stop there....anyone is welcome to donate a prize to the winner...just let me know.
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These are my arrows some done. others arnt. Marlon
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Wow Marlon, amazing work on the cresting, that must take an age, definitely wont be losing them! I take it you use a cresting machine for these?
PS. first post here, hi all :)
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Thanks Dave yes a cresting machine. Marlon
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my god, those shafts look amazing :o :o id buy arras off ya, musta have taken loads of paint too ;D
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wow!
oh and i can definately tell those are for heavy bows too!
Zander
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Thanks guys second pictures from the top 1/2 inch warbow arrows with horn and self nocks, others are 7/16 diameter tapered 11/32 and barrelled to 3/8 these are alluminum nocks.
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Here is a set of tonkin arrows.. They are fleched with 2 goose and 1 wild turkey cock feather. I wraped them with black nylon and they where stained with leather dye..The stone points are some I got in a trade with Mullet.
(http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll323/knight3169/w213.jpg)
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Real nice job on the arrows David. I'm glad the points worked out. Looks like you need some sinew, though. ;)
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I got a set in the works that will be all primitive execpt the finish.. ;)
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Some great looking arrows so far!!!!!
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Real nice job on the arrows David. I'm glad the points worked out. Looks like you need some sinew, though. ;)
Eddie he has more sinew than you think ;) ;D
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David, that's a sweet set of arrows.
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David, those arrows look great! Those goose feathers look kinda familiar......? ;)
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Eddie he has more sinew than you think ;) ;D
You got that right!! ;)
Jackcrafty I think some of those feathers still got your fingerprints on them.. ;D
I tell you if I could find some one to trade for some naturel finish I could biuld a complete set of primitive arrows from Bartered goods! ;D
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David, make your own natural finish...dissolve hard pine pitch in denatured alcohol, strain it off and you have a natural finish. I use it to seal sinew wraps and to seal arrow shafts.
psI wonder if denatured alcohol makes it less natural? ??? ::)
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I might try that Pat thanks..
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Nothing wrong with honey comb beeswax either.
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david, those last arrows you made look amazing, they would also look good shooting out of my new bow, send them down with my bow for some proper testing ;D
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David, make your own natural finish...dissolve hard pine pitch in denatured alcohol, strain it off and you have a natural finish. I use it to seal sinew wraps and to seal arrow shafts.
psI wonder if denatured alcohol makes it less natural? ??? ::)
Pat I do believe denatured alcohol is just corn whiskey with an additive to make it undrinkable, so I think
if ya just use some mountain dew it would be primitive ;) ;D
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Ian your bow would have to eat its wheaties to shoot these arrows.. ;D they are spined at 65/70..
mountain dew for arrows..Hmmm they would wobble and fall short every time..lol..
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Yeah..please dont drink Denatured Alcohol....I dont want to hear about You in an Obituary somewhere....Methanol is deadly....and that is one of the Ingredients they cut the Ethanol with to make it poisonous...and therefore non taxable as an Alcoholic Product.....and makes it a Slovent instead...it can also be cut with... acetone.... methyl ethyl ketone.... methyl isobutyl ketone.... aviation gasoline......so dont try to catch a Buzz with it...... >:D
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Dana, I made a batch of pitch varnish with some of that stuff :o that Shannon brought to the Classic last year. Some of it followed me home so I used a wee bit for varnish and the rest for life oil! Pat
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Dana, I made a batch of pitch varnish with some of that stuff :o that Shannon brought to the Classic last year. Some of it followed me home so I used a wee bit for varnish and the rest for life oil! Pat
:D :D :D
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Here are the entries grouped by category. Email your votes to Mullet....and be sure to include the Reply #. You can vote for a maximum of one entry in each category. ;D
Voting ends December 31, 2008.
Primitive
El Destructo, Reply #8
Mitchman, Reply #33
PatB, Reply #42
MikaelMazz, Reply #103
Mechslasher, Reply #112, Set 1
TheWildCat, Reply #138
Knightd, Reply #151
Neo-Primitive
ZanderPomo, Reply #4
Jackcrafty, Reply #15
DanaM, Reply #26
PatB, Reply #57
PeteC, Reply #71
PeteC, Reply #72
Knightd, Reply #76
Knightd, Reply #77
Knightc71, Reply #78
Mechslasher, Reply #112, Set 2
Roy, Replies # 120 & 121
Hillbilly, Reply #133
Modern
El Destructo, Reply #7
Limey-Josh, Reply #12
Anglobow, Reply #30
Dustybaer, Reply #44
Dustybaer, Reply #45
Dustybaer, Reply #46, cresting1
Dustybaer, Reply #46, doerte1
Dustybaer, Reply #46, loksley1
IONIAN, Reply #70
ZanderPomo, Reply #92
ZanderPomo, Reply #106
Bobnewboy, Reply #142
Heavybow, Reply #145 (several entries...but considered as one set)
Thanks for all the posts! I hope we can do this gain!
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is it too late for more
neo prim.
hardwood shoots
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Yep! :'( :'( :'( :-*
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Well, looks like everybody is as excited about the winners as ya'll were voting. Four people voted with a grand total of 12 votes. ::)But here are the results;
PRIMITIVE
Mechlesher reply#112
NEO-PRIMITIVE
Jackcrafty reply #15
MODERN
Anglobow reply#30
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Thanks Eddie...at least it wasn't hard to count the votes...>:D
Maybe we would have had more votes if I posted pictures inside the list of entries....it was kinda cumbersome to have to scroll back through all the entries to find your favorite set......I'll do it next time for sure.
Whoever voted for my entry....Thanks! ;D
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You're welcome.
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I was afraid to vote, because, I couldn't make up my mind, about any of them. I keep going back and forth looking, and at them. I was just too impressed by all of them. From the primitive, to the modern multi colored ones, and all in between. They all get my vote! Sorry, I didn't vote, but I just couldn't say one was better than the other. I was too busy getting ideas. ;D But it looks like those who could vote, made good choices. :)
Wayne
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Arrggg... Go on holiday an i come back to find you've already voted.
Oh well... Great job to all the winners.
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I didn't realize we were voting ??? :o Sorry about that :'(
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So Pat did yer arrows with the pitch varnish fly straight? ;D ;D
Wayne
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most of my arrows with pitch varnish fly straight! ;D ;D
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anyone know where to get some large obsidian pieces? i'm making heads. i've used flint and agate but i heard that obsidian carries a better edge.
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anyone know where to get some large obsidian pieces? i'm making heads. i've used flint and agate but i heard that obsidian carries a better edge.
Try trading for some in the trade section :)
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or there always eBay!!
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ill check the trade posts. but ive already checked ebay. there are only smaller pieces, none big enough for spear heads.
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Well, maybe there were some ballots lost in cyberspace. :D
It was nice to see everyone's work. I am honored to be listed among the chosen ones.
Neil
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ill check the trade posts. but ive already checked ebay. there are only smaller pieces, none big enough for spear heads.
These ought to be plenty Big Enough for a Spear Point
cgi.ebay.com/RW-LARGE-BLACK-OBSIDIAN-SLICE-for-KNAPPING_W0QQitemZ300285578122QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item300285578122&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
I diabled the Link so it was legal....just add http:// to the front of it....or take the Item Number (item300285578122) from the Auction and look it up
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Don't know were your at ,but if there is a local rock/gem club check them out.I went to a meeting and asked around and found a fellow that had a hundred pounds or so gave me some for a buck/pound.And I'm in florida that's about as far away as you can get from the Buttes.Plus alot of them folks have saws and for a small fee will rough slab them out.
Bone pile
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Im crying with envy right now :'(
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Jackcrafty,
I am facinated by the arrows you made for your daughter. Not only are the fletchings, nocks and paint very cool, but those points are fantastic. Where did you get the idea to do the points like that? Did you harden the wood on the tip in any way? How did you cut them the same way each time?
I love them.
Thanks,
Alnbren
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Alnbren, I got the idea for those tips from some Comanche arrows shown in the picture below.
(A full size illustration of one of the arrows is also in Jim Hamm's Encyclopedia of Bows, Arrows, and Quivers, Vol 2)
I do not harden the wood unless it is hickory. The arrows I made are birch.
I cut them the same way by eye....one at a time. After I carve the first arrow point, I use it as a guide for the others.
I do the nocks the tapering the same way. The tapering is a bit tricky because I have to make sure the arrow spines match and also keep tabs on the final weight. I have to start with dowels that are matched very closely in spine and weight before they are carved. In all, they take about an hour each to make.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/comanchearcheryset.jpg)
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Patrick,
Thanks for sharing. They are very impressive. I am envious and I wish i had some just like it!
The carved heads appear to be bigger than the shaft. Is that a optical illusion?
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Thank you. Yes, the heads are bigger. The shafts started out as 5/16" diameter dowels....the main body of the shafts were reduced down and the heads remained at 5/16". It probably would have been easier to use 1/4" dowels and just attach a larger diameter head.
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Hi Folks, I just finished a new set for the upcoming summer 3d league. They're modern arrows. POC shafts, 43-45 lb spine, finished weight 360 gr + / - 2 gr. Purchased feathers, horn reinforced nocks.(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc270/May-Pumphrey/DSC03798.jpg)(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc270/May-Pumphrey/DSC03798.jpg)(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc270/May-Pumphrey/DSC03794.jpg)
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whoops doubled up on that one pick. here's more, Ron(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc270/May-Pumphrey/DSC03794.jpg)
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Dang I hope I shoot them better than I post them. Ron(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc270/May-Pumphrey/DSC03800.jpg)
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Those are too nice to shoot. You must have had all the planets in line to get the weight that close. I do get to get them within 20 grains.
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Naw, I just pay extra! The company I buy my target shafts from are real sharp at matching weights and a little care carries that match through to the finished product. Now trying to weight match a 1/2 dz cane arrows, thats hard! Ron
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sweet lookin arrow M-P? gonna be using a foxhide quiver? ;D
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Huntertrapper, I've got a fox hide Quiver ~ 1/2 built. Every time I get started working on it, something seems to come up. It'll get done though. Ron
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OK.....and here are the Primitives....these are Cane Shafts that I got from Cowboy........I think.... ??? They are fletched with Turkey Feathers and served with Sinew and Hide Glue....They are Self Nocked with Sinew and Hide Glue also....and are footed with Rosewood Shafts ....and Three have Stone Points... and One has Flu Flu Feathers and a Birdcage Blunt on it
talk about outstanding,Outsatnding !
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Thanks PK....you are the only one who said anything about them lately....was kinda wondering if I deleted the Pictures!!
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Naw, I just pay extra! The company I buy my target shafts from are real sharp at matching weights and a little care carries that match through to the finished product. Now trying to weight match a 1/2 dz cane arrows, thats hard! Ron
Could a person add small amounts of sand & glue into the hollow shafts to even out the weight? Or use a longer nail insert on the lighter shafts? Weigh each shaft & find the heaviest. Weigh each other shaft & calibrate weight of nail to add up to 1st?
Just a thought. I have yet to make my 1st arrow but I'm a great armchair quarterback. :)
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Actually, sand + glue is pretty light. The nail idea will add a lot more weight. :)
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Thanks to all that posted! Your craftsmanship is overwhelming and truly art. I think I'm drooling now. :P
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Sometimes I make these as a set and sometimes they are made from soft wood arrows, like poplar or cedar, that had the tip only broken off.
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh217/robin101st/DSCN1477_zps7c5bd9c0.jpg)
Robby
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Nice job Robby! I've yet to try a footed arrow. I like the nocks too. Great work, dpg
I give all my broken arrows to my two sons. Their quivers look more full than mine. ::) dpg
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Nice job Robby! I've yet to try a footed arrow. I like the nocks too. Great work, dpg
I give all my broken arrows to my two sons. Their quivers look more full than mine. ::) dpg
I like having replacable footings/foreshafts, it makes it easy to swap out tips- I carry 12 shafts, and 36 footings when I go shooting- 12 fields, 12 blunts, 12 broad.
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Bamboo garden stakes, they work like a charm. The buildalong was great
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Awesome!
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Robby, Nice footed arrows.
Billyf, Great job on the bamboo. Ron
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So this is the second set of arrows I've attempted. They were mainly meant for target shooting but I ended up putting Judo's on three of them for small game. They are spined for a #35 lb classic Hoyt recurve. They are modern arrows for a modern bow and the bright colors really help to find them in the woods. I made these guys over two days using a gasket dip, then I painted the nock ends white for visibility and then crested them with a home made cresting machine I built from a drill sharpener motor. The shafts are port orford cedar tapered shafts.
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Pretty! Ron
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My new best set, I think they make the last set look like little kid arts and crafts work
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,40591.0.html
Just click on the link
Design credit goes to tenbrook and in part to Osage outlaw
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Here
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Dyed spruce shafts, turkey feather fletching, artificial sinew, metal trade points (osage bow). Primitive arrows. The whole set has been donated to a County museum, hopefully a fair representation of what the Missouria tribe might have used.
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May not be the best set, but here is my newest set of trad arrows I made for a trade. POC. Thanks for lookin, dp
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Mighty fine look'n set of arras.............Derik :)
DBar
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Nice!
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Very nice Derik!
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I guess these would be modern then? bah, I don't care, I love'em
bamboo cane + or - 13 grains
turkey secondaries, dyed myself (first try I know they suck)
steel tips. these are target arrows (spose I could hunt with em if i threw on some broadheads)
(http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo199/ZanderPommo/P1010782.jpg)
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Zander
Bird: "Guys? Whay happened to you?"
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Hi all,
Was just thinking this would be a nice place to post the arrows that I made for a couple of fellow PA members to complete a trade we entered into. I put most of the info on the pics, but any other questions please feel free to ask. I do hope Trapper Rob and DuBois enjoy them and get some game. thanks for the shafts and fletching guys.
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more pics
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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First set. Primitive. These are just pulled out of my hunting quiver. All arrows that work for a living and show the 'patina' that is the result of their job. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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Second set. Made for trade. Primitive. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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Second set. Made for trade. Primitive. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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Second set. Made for trade. Primitive. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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Second set. Made for trade. Primitive. Rosewood main shaft. Elk sinew bindings. Red osier dogwood fore shaft. Ponderosa pine resin. Hide glue. Rust/orange from conch off Douglas fir trees ground to powder mixed with hide glue.
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Very nice arrows....be they fly as good as they look...
DBar
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Very nice arrows....be they fly as good as they look...
DBar
They do be as good 😀
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Nice!
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I love this cat agony of posts, although there are a lot of. Photo deleted by admin, that I would like to view,, is there a Pinterest channel for said deletions?
Alluminati. Not all conspiracies are theory.
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Unfortunately, pictures that are not linked to an external site (like photobucket) are automatically deleted, when a certain amount of time has passed, by the artificial intelligence software contolling the forum data.
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enjoyed taking a trip down memory lane , I think it would be nice to have an arrow contest once a year.
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enjoyed taking a trip down memory lane , I think it would be nice to have an arrow contest once a year.
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