Pappy, I haven't mounted them yet. Im trying to decide to use cane or a heavy wood arrow and taper the point end. My friend, Claude just mounts the small ones to a piece of cane with two-fletch and they fly really good. I've mounted three on Maple fore shafts. The finished one weighed in at 100Grns. I used an arrow Hillbilly made for me and fitted the insert into the socket. The cane and arrow weighed in at 550 grns. I'll try to get some pictures up tomorrow.