thank all of you most respectfully..i have worked hard on a couple of my boo bows and with many failures,it is good when i have sucsess...its one of the hardest designs thus far..that kind of tiller in bamboo was most difficult...i have to give credit where due..herb reynolds was a great teacher he helped me make my first lam bow,and then turnt me loose.also mike treadway was an even greater enfluence and took the time to help me out on what i was doing wrong...and then of course all the years and time i have put into making bows ,and WAISTING a whole lot of money on R and D..im glad i have made it this far....i have one more project to finish some day ,.. hillybilly you and pat can shoot them at the classis................thanks guys .......robustus