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Offline stickbender

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 04:17:02 pm »

     What about treating the split cane sections like sinew, and keep splitting them into smaller, and smaller sections till you have it down to cord size, or just peeling off the fiber sections, and then twisting it into a cord?  I know they make sheets, and shirts, and such out of bamboo fiber.  Supposed to very soft.  Some are blended in with cotton, and other fibers.  Just a thought. ;)  As for fly rods, the instructions I have seen, the sections were sanded down to a triangle section, and then the sections were glued together, like making an arrow. 

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2011, 10:59:25 am »
awesome thread. that string always interested me when i saw it in the bowyers bible. best of luck and keep us informed of progress.
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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2011, 12:37:43 pm »

     What about treating the split cane sections like sinew, and keep splitting them into smaller, and smaller sections till you have it down to cord size, or just peeling off the fiber sections, and then twisting it into a cord?  I know they make sheets, and shirts, and such out of bamboo fiber.  Supposed to very soft.  Some are blended in with cotton, and other fibers.  Just a thought. ;)  As for fly rods, the instructions I have seen, the sections were sanded down to a triangle section, and then the sections were glued together, like making an arrow. 

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Wayne, The splitting is what I have trouble with, but when I get that down then I plan to experiment like a crazy man!

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2011, 05:09:07 pm »
In the world of online posting immediacy seems to be the flavor of the day.  However, I like the primitive archery because it seems to say, no we can slow down a bit.  It has been a while since I started this thread but now I have some test results to report.

I traveled to my cane spot last week and set to work.  I cut my cane from stalks I would use to make atlatl spears.  1/2" diameter on the small end at least, pulled off the leaves and found a work spot. 

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2011, 05:24:30 pm »
I used a arrow sized diameter culm growing on the bank as my upright for splitting.  I used a smaller 1/4" segment to make the splits horizontally. 
 
I started my four way split with two cuts on the big end.  I placed the resulting quarters on each side of the splitting pieces.  I will explain this more in detail on primitive archer's website and forward the link.  The benefit of this is that it will have my pictures uploaded.
 
Anyhow, I was able to split quarter sections from 3-4 feet in length.  This is light-years ahead of what I had previously done.  Splitting green cane really helped.
 
However I knew I needed a longer split than this so I kept working it.  Fortunately, each time the four split stopped it was always at a node and one quarter was still attached to the remaining stalk.   This also happened at smaller diameter sections but not a predictable diameter.  So i used my pocket knife to split off and whittle the remainder to get lengths proper for making a string.   

I cannot stress how much better this worked compared to working seasoned cane!  It was not a perfect equal four way split so I cannot thus far make four strings from one cane, BUT  I can make a one string from one culm and that beats the zero I was sporting before.
 
I truly hope you do not have to make the string with green cane, as I was pressed for time and have to let the project sit for a while longer while I tend to family and work matters.  My next step is to smooth down the string to a mostly round cross section.  Then I have to learn how to make those woven cane bands- as they function as the nocks on that bow. 
 
Any how that is my most recent excursion with splitting cane.  I saved the smaller splits in case I can make a basket form them some day.

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2011, 07:29:57 pm »
You're making good progress.  This is a very interesting thread.  Anxious to see what comes next.

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2011, 07:11:37 pm »
We await your next step!
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 07:39:51 pm »
Lucky dawg!  Wish we had River Cane here to make arrows & Bow strings...looking forward to seeing the process.
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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 08:30:19 pm »
This is an update of observations only and not a final product report.   Split river cane dries out very quickly.  I have quarter stock laying next to whole culms and the culms are still green while the quarter stock is light tan.    Also. whittling on the quarter stock to cut off the sharp edges is like putting socks on a rooster.  Plenty of opportunity to cut too deep.  Either I need practice or there is a better way.  I am going to try a small thumb plane next.

The LA basket maker who has consulted with me on this project speculates this bow is not a North American bow.  He thinks it may be from the Pacific rim and the string is actually rattan.  He notes several baskets on display at museums that were in fact rattan not split river cane.  He also shared some worry that I need to put on some safety goggles before pulling a bow back with it.  He is a bow maker form way back too and knows the stresses a bow puts on a string.  I will do as he suggests!  i was grateful for his input and respectfully want to move forward.  One of the best ways to determine if cane could be used to make a string is to experiment with every possible method to craft one.  If this does not work it will not be because I did not try and could not think for myself. 

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2011, 05:56:08 pm »
Well I worked on this off and on throughout the summer and with no success to report.  I had a lot of difficulty sanding the cane down to size.  Several times the cane broke.  I am not saying this is not possible. I am saying that the methods I used did not work or I did not become proficient at them.  I will likely pick this back up and try again. 

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Re: River Cane Bow String
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2011, 12:28:36 pm »
Excellent updates and info!  If that bow (with the cane string) is not from North America, it would not surprise me.  Museums are not immune to mistakes. ::)
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