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Offline bumppo

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Re: I was wrong
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2013, 10:59:27 am »
Adb, I'm out of town for the next two weeks, but I'll upload a pic of the spine tester I came up with when I get home. I cut my own shafts using Veritas dowel cutters both 3/8 and 1/2". I worked my way through poplar, ash, white oak and finally hickory in both sizes, put them on the spine tester and marked their deflection, I then shot them to see which worked the best. (I measure the raw shaft on the 1/2" before i taper to 3/8", and I measure all at 33" overall length) Currently I shoot 3/8" poplar on my #90, 3/8" hickory on my #110, and 1/2 tapered to 3/8" on my #120. But like I said, this is just a scale I came up with, I don't know how it would actually relate to how others measure spine. I'm not really happy with the 1/2" arrows on the #120, I think they are still too heavy, but the 3/8" are definitely not heavy enough.

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2013, 11:21:17 am »
Thanks! I look forward to seeing what you've come up with!

mikekeswick

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2013, 02:04:57 pm »
A heavy bow is just a lighter bow scaled up :) so of course spine matters.
I've made a few spine testers over the years but the simplest way of all is simply 2 pegs say 27 inches apart, put your shaft on and then hang a weight from the center and mark the deflection. You can easily magnify the deflection by adding an arm on a pivot to the set-up. The normal standard for measuring spine is to use a 2 lb weight however for these heavier shafts I would simply up the weight to maybe 3 - 3 1/2lbs. Just keep the distance between the points the same and the weight the same and you will get meaningful results.
As for the best taper for distance then barrelled shafts are the way to go with a slight foc balance point in the finished arrow with a light head.

Offline adb

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2013, 05:18:15 pm »
A heavy bow is just a lighter bow scaled up :) so of course spine matters.
I've made a few spine testers over the years but the simplest way of all is simply 2 pegs say 27 inches apart, put your shaft on and then hang a weight from the center and mark the deflection. You can easily magnify the deflection by adding an arm on a pivot to the set-up. The normal standard for measuring spine is to use a 2 lb weight however for these heavier shafts I would simply up the weight to maybe 3 - 3 1/2lbs. Just keep the distance between the points the same and the weight the same and you will get meaningful results.
As for the best taper for distance then barrelled shafts are the way to go with a slight foc balance point in the finished arrow with a light head.

Are you speaking from practical experience, or are you just guessing?

Offline bumppo

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2013, 06:27:26 pm »
This is the spine tester I use, a simple pivoting arm in the center that deflects when I put weight on the shaft. I use a #2 diving weight hung from the center with the arrow grain perpendicular to board (this is normally the weakest spine of the shaft, and it means the nock when cut would be perpendicular to the floor). I normally measure the raw shaft at 33", (just ignore the arrow that's on there). "H" is accurate for 28" arrows at around #60, G is what I've been aiming for with shafts meant for my#120 bow but they still seems too heavy. I generally try to keep arrows for my #100 in the K - L range.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2013, 11:24:26 pm »
Cool! Thanks for sharing!

Offline Goose Fletch

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Re: I was wrong
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 12:09:28 pm »
Hi

My archery supplier, when i first started to shift to traditional equipment, would put weighed shafts on the scale and find the stiffest part of the shaft whether it was or wasn't parallel to the grain (most often it would be). Has anyone else done this? It didn't matter for me how strong a nock was since my bow was only 60# and i glued my nocks on...

Can this method be employed to create a batch of arrows that are more closely spined for your warbow arrows?