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Offline Yeomanbowman

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2008, 03:09:54 pm »
Let's not give these two and more precious time.  Nick and Mark spent time writing very patient and erudite replies, however I fear they fall upon deaf ears.  They are clearly interested only in being provocative for it's own sake, otherwise why bother to post to make anti-warbow posts on the warbow section PA kindly provided for us.  I've seen this happen before with a narrow-minded individual baiting Jaro on the other primitive forum.  Childish and a bit pathetic really. 

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2008, 06:54:04 pm »
Yankee, that post was way out of line for a family oriented web sight. Your friend may have said it but you posted it. I have no use for attitudes lie that. Steve

I pulled the Post two days ago.......never thought about the D$%^& Bag deal.....My Bad

Thanks Mark.....I am glad that I didnt make an enemy out of you or most of the Others


But Heavybow......your Language still STINKS .....Badger said I was out of line......... then you went way over...I am out of Here
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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2008, 07:43:32 am »
I can find no record of Stretton holding the Record....this Guy states that He holds it....

http://www.indium.com/drlasky/entry.php?id=386


Hello And Good day !
Please allow me to introduce myself , I am Den Erickson .
I am the Worlds Strongest Archer , and have been for (April 1994 ) 10 Years prior to Mark Stretton's so called "Feat" .
I have demonstrated my Ability to successfully Shoot and Hunt with these weights .
I on a weekly basis shoot 6 / 6 arrow ends at 125# , 147# ,And over 230 #
with recurves and a Longbow , Drawn to my natural Draw length of 26 1/2 " .
At the Moment Mark Stretton while a terrific and competent Archer is no where near my strength or abilities , has been challenged in this regard and refuses any sort of competition .
I do have a current claim in to Guinness whilst Mark Stretton does not .

As to Stats
I am 5'8" , and 280 lbs . 32 years of age

In coorespondance with Pip he has mentioned he does not endorse any one let alone Mark Stretton pulling such heavy weight as he feels it is historically inaccurate .

This is for informational purposes as well as serving as a challenge to Mark Stretton to Match me or beat me as The Worlds Strongest .
I may be reached at Varbogen@aol.com
or USA tel 262-705-2245 .
Sincerely ,
Den Erickson
The Worlds Strongest Archer ( U.S.)



Just to bring things back to the original thread here's a bit of proof for anyone who hasn't texted Guiness :D


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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2008, 08:44:39 am »
Great picture Nick ;)

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2008, 11:44:25 am »
Nice Picture!  ;D
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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2008, 11:56:32 am »

lol - That is taking "holding the record" quiet literally ;-)

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2008, 12:18:16 pm »
It is interesting to note that both Mark Stretton and Jaroslav Petrina have expressed an interest and regard establishing a benchmark for accuracy at 100 yards  as an interesting and worthwhile challenge.

Given the present emphasis upon extreme distances, sustaining a rate of fire and concerns about investigating penetration, accuracy at the extreme of practicable distance for deliberate accuracy against a target smaller than a mass of defensively armed men seemed to us not entirely irrelevant, particularly in the light of what was evidently standard practice in another war bow culture with a greater body of literature upon which one might call for useful comparision.

And make no mistake, these people were using bows in the same range of draw wweight for very similar purposes against defensively arrayed men.
I dare say that an investigation of other established war bow cultures (Hindu, Mongol, Korean, Japanese)would show more similarities than differences despite the more obvious differences in style.

To reject this purely on the basis of it being a different type of bow is foolish. We are not comparing compounds and crossbows with the English war bow, but other full draw bows of similar draw weights.
If we had had to face these people, we would have had to deal with it, not make excuses, so what does the response of the nay sayers tell us about the attitudes of todays war bow exponents?

Is it the contention that these cultures would have been more skilled, more accurate than our ancestors, or was there possibly a useful consonance across all well developed war bow using cultures? The evidence on draw weights and general performance, such as it is, would tend to suggest the latter might well be the case.

As for this continual mithering on about "target archery", how many times do I have to write that comparison with contemporary target scores is not the point and criticism by someone who cannot even draw a heavy bow let alone shoot one, of no consequence, so you should set such fears aside.
Anyway, in the Luttrell Psalter you will find an illustration of target archery circa 1330, they even have specialised arrows with pinch nocks and bulbous heads for shooting at the clay faced butts.

The proposal to use a FITA face only arose since it would provide a universally available standard and is of a comparable size for the distance.
The quantity of arrows arose to cover two aspects. One was to place it in the context of maintaining a rate of fire. The other, that scoring rings permit the recording of potentially useful information which can be transmitted to others using the same standard face, and that averages might be derived therefore affording a meaningful comparison, being more representative of ongoing performance that the odd shot or personal best.


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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2008, 02:17:38 pm »
Mark whats a crumpet? what do they taste like?  Or is that sterio typing to automatically assume you have because your English. ;D  I am 25% english i think i have cousins in London
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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2008, 03:20:41 pm »
It is interesting to note that both Mark Stretton and Jaroslav Petrina have expressed an interest and regard establishing a benchmark for accuracy at 100 yards  as an interesting and worthwhile challenge.

Rod.

I for one would like to see a standard of accuracy set.  If there were a benchmark set, I think it would push me to shoot the heavy bows more just to try to get closer to the benchmark.  A little good natured competition is always good.  If there hadn't been competition on the other side of the battlefield, none of the great warbows would have reached their full potential.

I'm not what you would call a warbow fanatic, but my love of bows certainly isn't impeded by a silly notion that they are different. I like to build and shoot bows.  I'm pretty sure that protection from others (man or animal) who were willing to kill you crossed the mind of every Paleo man who ever existed.  Justin
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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2008, 05:21:58 pm »
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If we had had to face these people, we would have had to deal with it, not make excuses, so what does the response of the nay sayers tell us about the attitudes of todays war bow exponents?


Rod.


Care to expand on that Rod? I've noticed a strong feeling in your posts that anyone who does not immiedately take up your challenge is attacked! You implicated that I was some kind of a coward in a prior post on this thread! Setting forth a challenge and attacking anyone who may point reasons why that challenge has not been taken up on masse is no way to win people over to take up that challenge, in fact it will do the exact opposite. Attacking 'nay sayers' is no way going to get people to take up your challenge, to my mind it sounds like I'd be making a rod for my own back.

You state that two archers will take up your challenge. I know Mark will  we discussed this a few days ago and even though I've never met Jaro I know Mark holds in in very high regard so that holds a lot of water with myself but you could have so many more if you stopped the insults.

I'll take up your challenge on one condition you shoot with me and I'll choose the bow and arrows (and no I will not take the mickey with the kit) That way we will have a fair comparison, a warbow archer who is rubbish at target archery vs a target archer who is rubbish with a warbow. It would be fun and at least we could bury the hatchet :D

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2008, 06:03:16 pm »
         Nick, that was a great post, I don't know what was so good about it but I really enjoyed it, sounded like a very manly, and gentlemanly response! Steve

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2008, 06:40:51 pm »
         Nick, that was a great post, I don't know what was so good about it but I really enjoyed it, sounded like a very manly, and gentlemanly response! Steve

Thanks I suppose that proves there is a first for anything :D

Offline deerhunter97370

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2008, 11:41:28 pm »
Nick please post pics of the compation so we can all enjoy it with you and Rod. Joel
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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2008, 09:39:03 am »
Nick please post pics of the compation so we can all enjoy it with you and Rod. Joel

Well if it happens!

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Re: stronges bow on the world
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2008, 09:15:07 pm »
I can hardly believe that John Riggs said that stuff.  It's actually hard to believe that anyone who is so invested in archery would attack another archery culture like that.  It's just weird.  Until this, I'd never heard a bad thing about Riggs though.  He has contributed a lot to primitive archery in the Oregon area but that post made him look like a bit of a hater.   ???  Oh well, we all love and hate. 

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