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Offline ccase39

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selfbow by definition
« on: October 27, 2015, 08:49:08 pm »
What is a selfbow by definition? I have seen it thrown around and generalized a lot to describe anything from board bows to stave bows. What exactly makes a selfbow a selfbow?
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Offline bubby

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 09:09:25 pm »
A bow made of a single pc of wood and on a board you can ad a pc in the grip area
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Offline Joec123able

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 10:01:09 pm »
A bow made from a single piece of wood that relies on nothing but its self to make a bow. No backing, no laminates.
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 10:34:12 pm »
 I include a spliced bow. For all intents and purposes it's still just a piece of wood.
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 11:56:41 pm »
Quote from: PatM on October 27, 2015, 10:34:12 pm
I include a spliced bow. For all intents and purposes it's still just a piece of wood.

Pat, that fits the classic definition. It's the limbs that have to be of only one material. (In the days when there were steel bows, those were also considered self bows, because they were or the "self-same" material throughout the limbs.) For us, yes, it's wood we are thinking of.

Backed bows are just that. Laminated bows are that. Self bows are just one thing in the limbs. This all comes from the now-obsolete but formerly common use of the word self to mean "same." The term still seems to fit our purpose.

End of language history blurb.

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Offline DavidV

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2015, 03:08:00 am »
Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2015, 03:27:43 am »
Quote from: DavidV on October 28, 2015, 03:08:00 am
Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
For pities sake NO  :o
It's NOT a piece of WOOD is it? It's not even just 2 pieces of WOOD is it?..
It has a lump of FG (spits on floor) in it.
Pull yourself together!
WOOD is the stuff that you cut from a tree FG is a bunch of modern cr4p that doesn't belong anywhere near a traditional bow.
Geddit? WOOD WOOD nothing but WOOD and even then the same wood.
It's like claiming a gin and tonic is non alcoholic because of the tonic and the lemon ::)
Del (slaps furry head with paw)
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2015, 03:39:05 am »
Del you make me laugh. Thanks.


My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2015, 07:22:39 am »
Self backed, nothing added to back to Enhance performance or durability. Get out the pop corn  :D Pappy
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Offline AndrewS

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 09:08:47 am »
A selfbow is a selfbow is a self bow is a selfbow - nothing else :)
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 09:37:00 am »
Quote from: Del the cat on October 28, 2015, 03:27:43 am
Quote from: DavidV on October 28, 2015, 03:08:00 am
Jim, would a Bear 76er technically be a selfbow then as it has only a solid piece of FG in the limbs? Or would the definition also include no post industrial materials?
For pities sake NO  :o
It's NOT a piece of WOOD is it? It's not even just 2 pieces of WOOD is it?..
It has a lump of FG (spits on floor) in it.
Pull yourself together!
WOOD is the stuff that you cut from a tree FG is a bunch of modern cr4p that doesn't belong anywhere near a traditional bow.
Geddit? WOOD WOOD nothing but WOOD and even then the same wood.
It's like claiming a gin and tonic is non alcoholic because of the tonic and the lemon ::)
Del (slaps furry head with paw)

Looks like I hooked myself a cat  ;D Ya know I was just playing devils advocate, we all know effing-glass has no place on a bow  O:)
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 12:55:16 pm »
Quote from: Hamish on October 28, 2015, 03:39:05 am
Del you make me laugh. Thanks.




My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.



By deffinition not a selfbow as it is twp pcs of wood glued together to inhance performance
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Offline Pat B

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 01:01:25 pm »
But it can be a faux selfbow.   ;D
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Offline crooketarrow

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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 01:17:53 pm »
  TO ME, SINGLE STAVE,LIMB OR SAPLEING

  No spliceing, no backing.

  I GUESS IT BE KIND OF  A PERSONAL THING if you add those 2 things.
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Re: selfbow by definition
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2015, 01:20:18 pm »
Quote from: bubby on October 28, 2015, 12:55:16 pm
Quote from: Hamish on October 28, 2015, 03:39:05 am
Del you make me laugh. Thanks.




My ultimate faux selfbow would be from a large lemonwood board stave. Rip a 3/16" backing strip off the stave, re glue it straight away back onto the belly slat whilst reflexed. If you used Tb3 and lots of clamps the glue line would be invisible unless you used a magnifying glass. Appearance of a self bow, with the performance of a Perry reflexed bow.



By deffinition not a selfbow as it is twp pcs of wood glued together to inhance performance
"Faux" is the key word.
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