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Offline JoJoDapyro

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Antler Shavings
« on: May 18, 2016, 10:11:38 am »
In one of the issues awhile back there was a write up about a guy who said he increased the draw weight of a bow by some ten pounds by applying antler shavings mixed with hide glue to the belly of a bow. Has anyone else ever tried that, and what results did you get? It made me wonder as I have never seen anyone on here talk about this process.
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Offline Urufu_Shinjiro

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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016, 10:33:31 am »
Would make sense, I mean that's what Grozer uses in their "biocomposite" bows, they use ground up horn in a resin for their horn bellies. Sure wish their marketing were clearer about that though, lots of folks think they are using real horn.
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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 11:58:33 am »
shavings are probably not going to get  you the compression factor that is needed,,  the conglomerate that is used in Grozer bows, having horn and matrix mix, is more of chunk shaped and sizes,  knowing  the ratio is very important,
 good luck though, please keep us informed with your progress
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2016, 05:59:51 pm »
Wasn't grozer having problems with the biocomposites failing somewhat?
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2016, 11:00:16 am »
  While a small amount of antler shavings. Helps with the glue to hold it together. Cooketarrow did this to all his hid glue. He also add a dryed root bark to his glue. I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you.

 But like jame's said there no compression in shavings.
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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 11:02:08 am »
Quote from: crooketarrow on May 23, 2016, 11:00:16 am
  While a small amount of antler shavings. Helps with the glue to hold it together. Cooketarrow did this to all his hid glue. He also add a dryed root bark to his glue. I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you.

 But like jame's said there no compression in shavings.

So then how would this increase the draw weight 10 pounds? that is my question. Is it a viable method for increasing weight on a bow? i have lots of antler at my disposal, Far more than horn, or sinew.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2016, 12:26:19 pm »
Even if it did add 10# to the draw weight the physical weight of the antler and glue would decrease cast. If you need to add to the draw weigh add a belly lam of a compression strong wood like osage or ipe and re-tiller.
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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2016, 01:10:23 pm »
Quote from: Pat B on May 23, 2016, 12:26:19 pm
Even if it did add 10# to the draw weight the physical weight of the antler and glue would decrease cast. If you need to add to the draw weigh add a belly lam of a compression strong wood like osage or ipe and re-tiller.

I've only come in under weight once, and that was fixed with a sinew back. I just found it strange in an article in the magazine, and had never heard of anyone doing it, so I was curious if it really was a thing. If it was, well then I would have something to try. Seeing as it might be, but none of the guys here who's experience and opinions I value and trust, I will have to put it in the "Maybe when I don't have anything better to do" file.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2016, 07:34:58 am »
  That just shows you can't always beleive what you read.
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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 10:21:11 am »
Quote from: crooketarrow on May 27, 2016, 07:34:58 am
  That just shows you can't always beleive what you read.

That is why I was surprised to read it in Primitive archer!
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Re: Antler Shavings
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 07:12:19 pm »
Which issue? Not the bow soaked in salt water and buffalo urine?
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2016, 05:25:27 am »
Might it be some materials are more efficient at what they do than others.Per mass weight of themselves for what they do.I know epoxy has a modulus.Be it compression or tension.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2016, 08:22:24 am »
Putting the composite materials into more stressful profiles to get better performance out of them has everything to do with this too.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2016, 09:46:58 am »
I read that in Primitive Archer also. It was volume 24 issue 1 / February - March 2016.  In primitive ethics and logic. By Thomas Holt
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