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Online joachimM

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2017, 02:03:02 pm »
The reason beech is so often used in furniture and hand tools (spoons, carving planks, ...) is because it doesn't splinter, since the wood fibers are so short.

If you really want to use beech, use saplings, or the upper side of branches. These have the most juvenile wood, which has the highest microfibril angle (which is the main explanatory variable in bow wood quality).
Tillering is easy. Problems arise when a bowyer thinks he's right and the wood is wrong.

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2017, 12:02:22 am »
Hi Del
Sorry links are a bit beyond me.
Page 8 will become post 111 when I post this, subject - arrow weight.

Just to add, the 4 bows I made 3-4 years ago were from a nice board that produced a set of arrows as well!
I used a flat back and rounded belly profile and for the most part got away with it.

Two of the bows developed some very faint crystals which have not caused any issue to date.
One other developed a deeper one, probably due to carelessness when tillering. I decided to cover that crystal with a nydam style binding and have had no issues with that either.

If I was to use beech again, I'd adopt a more rounded back and flatter belly, much like other white woods.

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2017, 12:12:58 am »
That's a great looking set, love the arrows being made from the same wood as the bow.  Did you temper the bows?

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2017, 12:31:55 am »
No heat treatment.
I'm going through a period of tring to be as authentic as possible when making warbows.
They may have used heat but I'm sure they didn't use heat guns.

The bow shown is 90lbs but I did get one of the others to 115lbs!

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2017, 01:08:08 am »
I'm going through a period of tring to be as authentic as possible when making warbows.
Difficult as we don't really have any idea of how they actually did it.
No shortage of armchair experts, and guessers tho'
Del
Let's see if this works:-
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,41798.msg571078.html#msg571078
Yeah, looks good... that doc1 opens to give the pic :)
Nice bow ... Nice hairstyle too, just like mine :) ;)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2017, 01:13:27 am by Del the cat »
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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2017, 05:26:52 am »
Three things have changed since that photo.
I have even less hair!
I may have put on a few pounds.
I don't tiller warbows to that shape anymore. I tried to follow the shape that Roy King was using when he was doing those 'Mary Rose' replica's that were shown in Hardy's book, Longbow.

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2017, 05:50:03 am »
Hi Del
Sorry links are a bit beyond me.
Page 8 will become post 111 when I post this, subject - arrow weight.

Just to add, the 4 bows I made 3-4 years ago were from a nice board that produced a set of arrows as well!
I used a flat back and rounded belly profile and for the most part got away with it.

Two of the bows developed some very faint crystals which have not caused any issue to date.
One other developed a deeper one, probably due to carelessness when tillering. I decided to cover that crystal with a nydam style binding and have had no issues with that either.

If I was to use beech again, I'd adopt a more rounded back and flatter belly, much like other white woods.

If you used a board then how can you be sure it was European Beech and not American Beech?
Home of heat-treating, Corbeil, On.  Canada

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2017, 11:01:18 pm »
Hi Marc
European Beech was stamped on the board by the specialist timber supplier I got it from.

I did buy another short piece from them to make some arrows but I can't remember what was stamped on that. It had a more reddish colour but was also beech!

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2017, 12:39:34 am »
No I am not sure whether should I cut some beech or not. Maybe you were lucky OR maybe it is a good wood choice!

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 12:42:15 am »
Beech was/is typically used in planes because it is hard, and because of the high proportion of medullary rays which effectively present wear-resistant end-grain to the sole of the plane; that high proportion of medullary rays may be problematic on the back of a bow?

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2017, 05:43:48 am »
At the end of the day, if you can cut a beech sapling for free, you may as well try it and see what happens. You don't really have much to lose, especially if you build to match a string you already have . that's what I'm gonna do anyway

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2017, 07:07:02 pm »
Del, you say Norwegian Maple is good. It is planted by the city in parking strips everywhere down in Salt Lake. I always thought it was junk as every early or late snow branches would snap like glass. I know they were affected by a fungus(There is a reason not to use non native plants). They were cutting them down all over my old neighborhood because of that. If I would have known I would have taken some.

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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2017, 11:46:44 pm »
Del, you say Norwegian Maple is good. It is planted by the city in parking strips everywhere down in Salt Lake. I always thought it was junk as every early or late snow branches would snap like glass. I know they were affected by a fungus(There is a reason not to use non native plants). They were cutting them down all over my old neighborhood because of that. If I would have known I would have taken some.
Maybe what you have over there isn't the same as we have over here (UK)?
It's very hard to accurately identify trees... the wood near me is mostly European Hornbeam, Oak, and what I think is Norwegian Maple... maybe it's native Uk Maple ... I dunno, but some counicl bloke told me that one they'd cut down was Norwegian Maple... i was moaning that they'd cut it int 3' lengths  ::)
Del
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Re: European beech suitable?
« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2017, 08:30:55 am »
Hmmm? i would thing the only difference would be minor hybrid tree farm changes. Maybe try it out someday