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Offline trail walker

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2017, 07:12:21 am »
ok, thanks guys that helped clear some things up. :)
do you think that having the 9 - 12 inch flechings on the short plains bows might have been to stabilize the arrow within that 10-20 yard mark? because even though they didn't always hunt from horse back, when thy did they would need the arrow to stabilize in like 20 feet or less right?

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2017, 07:55:17 am »
I think the surface area is what helps straighten out the arrow and not necessarily the length. A 9"x1/2" arrow vs. 5.5" by 3/4". I haven't done the math so it's just a guess.
 Some folks bare shaft tune their arrows. If a bare shaft flies well from your bow the fletching only helps when a broadhead is used.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2017, 08:49:45 am »
amount of surface area makes sense Pat B, but why go do you think to the trouble of making the feathers longer then? because if you have 1 arrow fleched with 10 inch skinny feathers with the same ones you could do 2 arrows with 5 inch wide ones?

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2017, 09:09:08 am »
Trail Walker this is just a guess, but I suspect a nine inch fletch cut from 3/8 to 1/2" would be quiter than a 5" fletch 1"to 1 1/2" . Just st a guess though. I do know tall fletch is noisy
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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2017, 09:11:13 am »
With Native arrows tradition probably plays the biggest role. With modern man, personal preference rules.
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 10:27:27 am »
From Ishi in Two Worlds , I don't recall any mention of how accurate Ishi was from great distances, but many examples noted how stealthy and patient of a hunter he was. This gave me the impression that his shots were within a relatively close range with 40-45lbs bows.

I haven't learned if the same is true for Eastern woodland tribes, yet.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2017, 10:38:03 am »
amount of surface area makes sense Pat B, but why go do you think to the trouble of making the feathers longer then? because if you have 1 arrow fleched with 10 inch skinny feathers with the same ones you could do 2 arrows with 5 inch wide ones?

Ok, to broaden your questions, why did Siouxan people use long and low fletching when Cherokee peoples used full feather two fletch?  I am going to hazard a W.A.G. and say that "style" had a lot to do with it.  That and tradition.

Boy howdy, did you ever hit a sore point with me!  It really is a pity that ethnography is a modern concept and came into the picture very late in the game. There is so much information that would come in handy from medicinal plants, to philospophy, to culture, to food ways, to technology, etc....we are often left guessing because while much was stamped out, quite a bit was simply abandoned along the way as well. We often forget that culture is never truly static, it is dynamic and ever evolving, too.

Wish some ethnographer had interviewed about 500 to 1,000 Native Americans and wrote what they did regarding archery and hunting.   
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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2017, 11:08:17 am »
Just thinkin' out loud. If you had feathers that you could only get one fletch out of why not use the whole feather. If a little is good a lot must be better, right.
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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2017, 12:33:26 pm »
DC, fletching steers the arrow with drag. Ideally you want as small of feathers as you can get away with and still get good arrow flight.
 I sometimes make 3 and 4 feather tangential fletching using whole 4" feathers tied around the shaft, with the inside of the feather facing up.
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2017, 01:15:22 pm »
I was trying to think like a Native would have, they may not have known all that stuff. Longer feathers would straighten flight quicker but at the expense of cast. For hunting they may not have cared about cast.
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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2017, 09:39:12 am »
I was trying to think like a Native would have, they may not have known all that stuff. Longer feathers would straighten flight quicker but at the expense of cast. For hunting they may not have cared about cast.

And when hunting bison, they were on horseback, inside or alongside the herd, shooting at very close distance (sometimes measured in feet).
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2018, 09:01:40 pm »
Ishi used hazel shoots for arrows. I've made 5 arrows from hazel. They were not matched by weight, spine, diameter or even perfectly matched by length. I was still able to shoot tight groups at 10 yards.

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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2018, 05:03:48 am »
I agree SixRabbit. Most of my hardwood shoot and cane arrows are like yours. If they shoot well at hunting distance they go in my quiver.
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2018, 04:02:10 pm »
In the 1960s, early '70s, arrows were sold as "for bows up to" some poundage--35, 45, 55 etc.

No one even used the term spine before the 1920s and then they didn't mean only stiffness. The term came to it's current meaning sometime after the mid 1930s, when Klopsteg and Hickman and their fellow experimenters were threshing out the concept.

Howard Hill is said to have shot a new batch of arrows to see which ones went where he wanted them. The ones that didn't, he broke so they wouldn't get mixed in with the good ones.

With no spine tester, Horace Ford set a record in the York round in 1857 that was not beaten until 1943! Spine, swine, wish his score was mine, to hark back to Charlotte's Web.
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