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Offline Hawkdancer

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Re: Flutes
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2018, 07:58:07 am »
How about posting a pic of how that jig actually works?  I am not visualizing the pressure points at all!
Nice work!
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Offline JW_Halverson

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2018, 09:50:05 am »
Zero experience at fluting and almost none at all with knapping after the summer of 1989 when I was playing around with it. Mostly commenting so that this will pop whenever someone comments further.

That is an incredible flute, running the length of the stone!  It makes me wonder what the ratio of the loss of mass to the loss of strength/durability would be, seeing as how it retains the two rigid ridges just inside of the cutting edges.  And also what the comparison would be in penetration before and after fluting.  I am sure there are certain advantages in function, even though just plain old bragging rights for sheer cool factor and prettiness and difficulty of execution had to have a little of the spotlight.
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Offline Outbackbob48

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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2018, 10:28:05 am »
1442, thanks again . You have  answered and cleared up a couple issues that I have had with my own fluting. When you say you tap your bit are you actually taping your bit or just pushing outwards with your other hand upon the release of the platform?

Offline 1442

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2018, 10:25:47 pm »
I'm actually tapping it with a hammerstone about the size of a base ball or a 1" bopper.
When the flutes release before I get max pressure built that I want to put on it,  they always turn out narrow and short.

I think some of the advantages of a long fluted point would be a thinner haft and the profile of the tip area with the channel of the flute scar is just built for penetration. The Cumberland people who where making these long fluted points where hunting mastodon, so they where having to poke through some really thick hide and meat.
Then later in time the shorten thinner Folsom points with full length flutes evolved to hunt bison.

Hawkdancer, I'll get a pic of a diagram of a solberger jig and post it. There are other types of fluting jigs too.

Here's some pics of a few more fluted points
This first one is made from raw landscape gravel and shows a good edge view of the tip profile when the flutes go all the way to the tip
 

Offline 1442

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Re: Flutes
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2018, 10:29:15 pm »
This will be just a few random pics of fluted poits

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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2018, 10:30:38 pm »
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Offline 1442

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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2018, 10:31:56 pm »
one more edge view

Offline bjrogg

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Re: Flutes
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2018, 01:42:46 am »
Glad to see you back here 1442. Awesome
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Offline Bone pile

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2018, 03:32:16 am »
Very nice ,thanks Bob for bring this up. I see yet another project in my future. I'm building a brick oven now but hopefully making some flint knives soon.
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Offline Zuma

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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2018, 06:42:28 pm »
No jig flutes
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Offline Hawkdancer

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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2018, 07:34:01 pm »
Nice work, Zuma, and 1442,  inspiration to the rest of us!
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Offline 1442

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Re: Flutes
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2018, 08:43:23 pm »
nice flutes zuma
I always had heck trying to flute points prior to using the jig but I know now I was not setting up the platforms properly at all.
Thanks Hawkdancer,
I been gonna make a drawing of how the jig works to apply pressure for you and to show a couple more details that I cant explain without a picture.
got a few things I need to do for Christmas first though.

Offline 1442

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2018, 07:52:42 pm »
I made another point with uneven flutes.
I goofed up the platform on the first flute and it didn't go very far so I thought I could make a short flute to match on the second one but I set up my normal platform and put less pressure on it but the flute went way longer than I wanted it to.
I took some pics as I went and started out with a Georgetown slab about 5/16" thick.

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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2018, 07:55:06 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2018, 07:58:47 pm »
cont.