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Offline Mafort

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Bone point lethality.
« on: July 06, 2019, 05:31:19 am »
So I am not the best at flint knapping stone points. However I have a dremel and Some buffalo bone saddle blanks used for guitars that are 1Ē wide. My question is how sharp can a bone point get? Should the point be serrated some to aid in penetration? Iíve never made bone points so Iím curious as to how lethal they can be when hunting deer or something larger like elk

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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2019, 06:14:52 am »
A few years ago a few guys on TradGang used bone points to successfully harvest deer so I'd say they can be lethal. Shot placement, a good narrow pyramid shape and a sharp edge will be critical.
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Offline Hawkdancer

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2019, 08:46:27 am »
Not sure I would use them on elk, but if you can get a real sharp edge, they should work.  I think you would need a close shot, well placed, though.  On the other hand, I'm not experienced at hunting elk!
Deer, you should be ok, but again the shot has to be right!
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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2019, 10:08:04 am »
Pop tempered bone points in a coffee can in a campfire.  When they were light brown he could get them shaving sharp.  I've seen bone take more than one deer with good shot placement.  I've also made bone knives that got very sharp.  It's completely possible.

I wish I knew what temp to heat the arrowheads to.  Others may can chime in on that.

Gary scale is bone and I know those work too.

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2019, 04:37:50 pm »
Pop tempered bone points in a coffee can in a campfire.  When they were light brown he could get them shaving sharp.  I've seen bone take more than one deer with good shot placement.  I've also made bone knives that got very sharp.  It's completely possible.

I wish I knew what temp to heat the arrowheads to.  Others may can chime in on that.

Gary scale is bone and I know those work too.

Id like to know more about this.  Didnt know one could get bone shaving sharp.  What is the prefered species and type of bone i wonder?  I could maybe make these easier than knapping.  Then add a nail in the front for weight...


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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2019, 07:22:31 pm »
Since I'm already in this, I would assume that deer, elk, bison, or beef leg boneswould be the better the better, since those would have been the available species!  Put them in the coffee can and watch them until they are light brown is the recipe
Pop tempered bone points in a coffee can in a campfire.  When they were light brown he could get them shaving sharp.  I've seen bone take more than one deer with good shot placement.  I've also made bone knives that got very sharp.  It's completely possible.

I wish I knew what temp to heat the arrowheads to.  Others may can chime in on that.

Gary scale is bone and I know those work too.

Time to heat some bones!  Don't give them to the dogs, though!  EdwardS, is that Gray scale, or Gary Scale!
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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2019, 03:06:46 am »
So it sounds like the idea is to work the bone down to the arrowhead shape first and then temper it? 

Till now i had never considered bone points a contender for big game.  Id love to see a build along with a shaving sharp finished product.... (-S
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Offline Ed Brooks

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2019, 03:47:01 am »
They found a bone point stuck in a mastodon rib here in Washington State.  I got to go to the dig site on 77-78. Ed
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Offline Mafort

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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2019, 04:35:59 am »
So it sounds like the idea is to work the bone down to the arrowhead shape first and then temper it? 

Till now i had never considered bone points a contender for big game.  Id love to see a build along with a shaving sharp finished product.... (-S

Sounds like I gotta get started

Offline EdwardS

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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2019, 10:51:32 am »
Wow, this blew up.

Ok, here's how we did it.  We used deer leg bones, not sure if our points were legal, but 1 inch wide by 3 long is what we settled on (Pop read about the findings of the Ashby report.) When we had a few we'd throw them in the coffee can and put it in the campfire.  When they browned we would haft them (sinew and hide glue, since bone is porous) and then we could sharpen them like steel.  A file at first and then a stone.  Pop even used a diamond hone or a coffee cup bottom to touch them up (coffee cups are the equivalent of a barbers ceramic hone if you get the glaze off) if they weren't sharp enough.

A 3:1 arrowhead with a cut on contact design that's sharp as you can make it requires roughly 4 pounds of force to enter a deer.  I think Ashby actually got that number on a bigger animal but I'll say deer to cover my tail.  Only thing is they're not unlimited use.  They kinda give up after a few shots, or at least they did for us.

Some of this is stuff I'm remembering from being 13 and remembering through 5 strokes.  If I had bones here I'd do a build along for you guys, but I haven't taken a deer in years.  I think beef bones would work great.  Thicker and flatter than deer.

Gar scales were like ready made arrowheads for fish.  Little sharpening and stick them on with pine pitch glue.  They're basically teeth.  Really wish I had some right here.  Makes me miss Pop and Gramps terribly.

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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2019, 07:30:35 pm »
Ed,
I can send you some bones, well chewed beef, and when I get the sinew, hide, and hooves off, some deer and elk!
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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2019, 05:32:52 am »
That would be great.  What would you want for them?

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2019, 06:21:17 am »
Ed,
Let's see how many I can send first. Probably just pay it forward!  Some one else is sending me some saw blades and doesn't want anything back.  I'll try to get some of the beef bone out this week - next week is MoJam!
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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2019, 07:54:13 pm »
Wow, this blew up.

Ok, here's how we did it.  We used deer leg bones, not sure if our points were legal, but 1 inch wide by 3 long is what we settled on (Pop read about the findings of the Ashby report.) When we had a few we'd throw them in the coffee can and put it in the campfire.  When they browned we would haft them (sinew and hide glue, since bone is porous) and then we could sharpen them like steel.  A file at first and then a stone.  Pop even used a diamond hone or a coffee cup bottom to touch them up (coffee cups are the equivalent of a barbers ceramic hone if you get the glaze off) if they weren't sharp enough.

A 3:1 arrowhead with a cut on contact design that's sharp as you can make it requires roughly 4 pounds of force to enter a deer.  I think Ashby actually got that number on a bigger animal but I'll say deer to cover my tail.  Only thing is they're not unlimited use.  They kinda give up after a few shots, or at least they did for us.

Some of this is stuff I'm remembering from being 13 and remembering through 5 strokes.  If I had bones here I'd do a build along for you guys, but I haven't taken a deer in years.  I think beef bones would work great.  Thicker and flatter than deer.

Gar scales were like ready made arrowheads for fish.  Little sharpening and stick them on with pine pitch glue.  They're basically teeth.  Really wish I had some right here.  Makes me miss Pop and Gramps terribly.

This is one of my favorite posts i've read in a while.  I wish my grandpa taught me that.  As for beef bones, we talking femurs, legs?  Outter or inner most part of the bone?

Hope to see more coming from you.  Build along with coffee cup honing.  I get excited just thinking about this (lol)

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Re: Bone point lethality.
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2019, 01:10:17 am »
this thread should be joined with this one
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,36300.0.html