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Offline Deerhunter21

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2019, 09:30:15 am »
gotcha Whistling, get good with my bow, listen to pearly to not push hard to 60, have good form.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2019, 09:31:59 am »
The best way to train for shooting a bow is by shooting a bow. Being in good shape is important but archery muscles are developed by shooting a bow. If you are shaking when drawing a 45# bow going to 60# could cause injuries. How often do you shoot and how many arrows during a session? One good training method I used when I started shooting(this was with a compound) was to slowly and purposefully draw the bow to my anchor, hold for 10 seconds and slowly let down. I would do this 10 times then rest. A bit later I'd do it again. When I started, my compound was too heavy for me but I wanted to be able to draw it to anchor with the least possible movement. By hunting season I could draw my bow to anchor, standing or sitting with very little other movement. I know holding a selfbow for 10 seconds is a no no so slowly draw to anchor, hold for 2 seconds, concentrating of a spot then slowly let down. Do this 10 times and rest. Also, and this is important because some folks I've known can't let down but release from full draw, do this without an arrow on the bow, just in case.
 When you do step up to the target butt concentrate on your target, not just the target but the spot where the arrow WILL hit. With an arrow on the bow draw, anchor and release always concentration on that spot. Go retrieve that arrow and do it again and again, etc. Start out at 10 yards and do this 10 times then walk away and come back later. When you are consistent at 10 yards move to 15 yards.
When I shoot now I pick my spot, draw to anchor and release as soon as I hit anchor always concentration on the spot where the arrow WILL go, not where it should go but where it WILL go. If I find myself short drawing I will hold for a second or 2 before releasing. This helps me concentrate on my form, a good anchor and a clean release then I'm back to my normal shooting style.
45# is plenty enough weight to hunt with. You have to develop good form, good anchor, good concentration and good muscle memory. When I'm shooting I don't want to think about anything but where the arrow WILL go. Not form, not anchor, I don't want to even be aware of my bow or arrow. I don't want to think about ANYTHING but hitting that spot, and that takes your full concentration.
 Back in 1999 I bought a new glass lam longbow from Mike Treadway. The first year I had that bow I calculated I put 10,000 arrows through it. I was shooting 100 arrows a day for most of that year and I was trying to concentrating on each shot, my form, my anchor and my release. This helped me with the muscle memory and once I was comfortable with that I only shot a dozen or 2 thoughtful shots a day. A month before hunting season I would only shoot one arrow a session. That was either in the early morning or late evening when most hunting shots happened. I also shot from an elevated stand(my front porch) at my comfortable height and shooting range(from a few feet out to about 25 yards). Believe it or not those closest shots were the hardest.
 And one more thing to end this epistle...if you are tired, aggravated, mad, frustrated or for any reason you can't concentrate, put the bow down and walk away. Bad habits are very hard to get rid of but very easy to obtain.
Make the most of all that comes and the least of all that goes!    Pat Brennan  Brevard, NC

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2019, 09:43:17 am »
Hard to add much to that Pat.  Repetition, concentration, proper form.  The increase in draw weight will come over time, peak, and then end up back where you began at some point.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2019, 09:43:48 am »
Lots of good advice here.  Some more things to think about - if you can shoot the 45# bow for five or ten arrows without shaking, then you start to get tired, that's a bit different than being uncomfortable on the first or second shot.  Shooting fewer arrows is fine if you can control everything.  If that is the case, maybe try for several shooting sessions instead of one long one.  You could also make a bit lighter bow for long(er) distance practice, and shoot a heavier one a few feet from the target so you can really focus on working the right muscles, getting to full draw, having a good release, etc.  That's good practice anyway.  Or, since I think you just have the one bow now, shoot a few from longer range, and when you get a bit tired, move really close so you don't undo your good practice by worrying about zinging one off into space. 

One thing you don't want for sure is to feel stressed about shooting because you are a bit overbowed and your muscles are overtired - that can be a good way to develop target panic.  I got a 55# recurve when I was about your age (late 1900s), and 45 or 50# would have been a lot smarter.  I had such bad freezing and short drawing that I quit shooting for over 10 years.  It may have happened anyway, but the heavy weight did not help. 

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2019, 09:44:34 am »
(Pat - you covered a lot of what I said, but I had a lot of time invested at that point and just posted anyway!)

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2019, 09:51:37 am »
Wow! Ok! Lots of good stuff! Ill work on getting my bow shooting comfortable first then move on from there.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2019, 10:03:19 am »
No problem TimBo. By the time I posted 11 others had jumped ahead of me.
 Russell, I don't know what style of shooting you do but if you shoot instinctively I learned from reading G Fred Asbel's "Instinctive Shooting".  I found it to be very informative and I still shoot using G Fred's method. The book isn't expensive but I'd be happy to lend you my copy if you'd like. I bought this book in 1988 and years later Fred signed it for me so it is special to me but if you take care of it you are welcomed to borrow it.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2019, 10:11:26 am »
My neighbor boy is on a football scholar ship, and is 20 years old. Strong as an Ox. He shakes pulling my 45 lb . self bows. I am 72 soon, and don't shake with my 45 lb. self bows. Technique, and certain muscle groups. Better shooting under your comfy draw weight with total control, and no bad habits than with a bow you can't control ,and may injure your self  with at a young age.

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2019, 10:24:10 am »
Look for an old cheap Glass 40# bow that you don't care about. Draw it and hold it as long as you can. Repeat.

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2019, 11:09:12 am »
Russell,
About all I can add is several sets of push-ups to the exercise routine, and for "let down"', make a 6-8" Loop of rope around the string and your wrist; this will allow you to control the let down of the string without dry firing(which we know is hazardous to you health!).  You could also get some heavy rubber bands used by physical Therapists, they come in all weights.  Heavier isn't necessarily better, and you will likely continue to gain strength as you grow.  Finding old bows is also a way to build your arsenal, but can be hard on the wallet.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2019, 12:41:45 pm »
Nothing to add to the good advise already given on form and good practise.
As for simple exercises. Do lots of pull ups on a 1 inch edge. Nail a 1x1 up to a door frame somewhere. Round the edge over so it is comfortable.
Pull ups with your palms away on  an edge will train the forearm muscles (finger controllers!) as well as shoulders, lats etc...Rope climbing as Pat mentioned is also very good for developing grip and all round upper body strength. Dead hangs are also very effective. Another superb forearm exercise is to get a short section of broomhandle. Drill a hole in the middle for a length of cord. Thread it through with a knot on the end. Then tie a weight on the other end. Hold with both hands and turn the broomhandle to raise the weight. Continue raising and lowering the weight. Have fun!
When I made my first few bows I was about 30 and rock climbing at a reasonably high level, I could shoot 65# easily straight away. I climbed 3 or 4 times a week and trained a lot :)  When I was your age I started doing pull-ups everytime I went out the back door. After about a year I could do about 25 straight arm pull ups. Have at it, the strength you gain now will stand you in very good stead later. Also don't forget to stretch - it is just as important as exercising.

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2019, 01:50:58 pm »
I will add another voice to the pile saying there is no better exercise for shooting a bow than shooting a bow.

And to add yet another voice to that pile, this vid has an interview with Joe Gibbs, one of the top heavy bow shooters in the world, and he talks a bit about his training methods. He started training around your age. https://youtu.be/1w8yHeF4KRk?t=300

No need to go as hard as him, but he has good advice.

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Re: Muscle
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2019, 02:29:59 pm »
If you are shaking at45# try going down to a35# bow and hold the arrow back for 10 seconds then release the arrow. You will be there in no time. But I shoot all my hunting bows at about 45-50 pounds   And that gets the job done for me out to about 20 yds. Don’t remember killing anything over 15 yds though. It’s better to loose the arrow than just let the lighter bow back down. Does more harm than good. And yes Pearl knows his stuff. Arvin
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2019, 04:57:55 pm »
If you are shaking at45# try going down to a35# bow and hold the arrow back for 10 seconds then release the arrow. You will be there in no time. But I shoot all my hunting bows at about 45-50 pounds   And that gets the job done for me out to about 20 yds. Don’t remember killing anything over 15 yds though. It’s better to loose the arrow than just let the lighter bow back down. Does more harm than good. And yes Pearl knows his stuff. Arvin

Dont worry im not shaking that bad! I almost got it under controll.
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Re: Muscle
« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2019, 05:16:58 pm »
Add me in on the shoot your bow to build the strength group. It’ll train your muscles to work the way you want them to. Which is just as important as the base strength level.

A few tips for the strength building. My #1 rule for in the gym lifting weight is PROPER FORM (same goes for shooting, and mine needs work there). With good form you’ll build strength in you muscles and joints, with bad form you’ll prematurely wear down your joints.  In the grand scheme of things the specific excercises variation doesn’t make much difference as long as they are working the same muscle group. So start with simpler motion excercises and DO NOT go above a weight you can control with proper form, and by control I mean on both directions of motion (as in not dropping the weight in dead lift) Once you have good control with a reasonable weight for your build, start adding in the excercises variations. And don’t forget to work your core, is the connection of power from your legs to your shoulders. With a strong core you are less likely to injure your back and is much easier to maintain proper form. I’m loving to do excercises that make me focus on a tense core through the workout. I even do two days of specific core days, rotational and in-line movements. Don’t forget to add in calisthenic excercises: push-ups, pull ups and animal movements. There are lots of variations of these you can do, in addition on to adding weight to make them more difficult.

A great full body excercises that has more focus on shoulders, that’ll be great for archery but I started doing for Brazilian JiuJitsu is the Turkish get up. Its great for building shoulder strength and most importantly stability. Wat h several videos on how to do this one correctly as it’s a bit more complicated than it looks once you start adding on weight. With this movement you start flat on your back with a dumbbell extended out in on hand and you essentially stand up with the weight above your head, then you lay back down. This last one has been a great step in helping my lead shoulder from wanting to buckle under 100# bows when I mess with them.

Hope that helps,
Kyle